The EU referendum - IN / OUT or Shake it all about.

[Jimothy]

Benn is funnier..

Having the shits is funnier than Izzard.

[johnny the fox]

Please can we deport eddie izzard?

[Dr The Singh]

Having the shits is funnier than Izzard.

The remain campaign have certainly dropped a turd with him being on tv

[Guest MattP]

Best day for Brexit so far that, hope we see a lot more of Eddie Izzard next couple of weeks.

[Jimothy]

The remain campaign have certainly dropped a turd with him being on tv

A @@Carl the Llama size turd.

I'm not sure the campaigns get to pick non MP guests, I'm sure he was just invited on.

[Webbo]

I was just saying that your average lay person, im not trying to be ignorant, but they wont have enough to make a proper decision.

 

Yet theyll go and make a vote that will influence everyone and maybe for the worse.

In other words"we're all too thick to realise you're right"?

[Guest Bilo]

Izzard - Fvcking terrible. Irritating, repetitive, intellectually vapid. 1/10 (only for the hat)

Farage - Standard Farage. Passport used as a prop, repeated same arguments as always. 6/10

Benn - Composed, factual, intelligent and considered. Impressive. 8/10

Pearson - Strange performance, seemed to be trying (in a remarkably ham fisted manner) to win over women in the audience with her odd comments about men dominating the show and Brussels. 5/10

Grayling - Non-entity. 3/10

Audience - Both Remainers and Leavers were swivel eyed lunatics. 0/10

[Donut]

In other words"we're all too thick to realise you're right"?

 

No definitely not

 

I just worry what some people are going to be basing their vote on.

[Jimothy]

Best day for Brexit so far that, hope we see a lot more of Eddie Izzard next couple of weeks.

Referendum aside I hope we never see him again. Never been a huge fan but anything I've seen him on in the last few years, stand up or things like QT, he's just a rambling freak, spouting random words with no meaning. Terrible comic and terrible debater. Plus I knew he was into that cross dressing crap, but you never see him dressed as a man now, you used to before. He's calling himself transgender now too , probably thinking it sounds cooler than transvestite.

[Webbo]

No definitely not

 

I just worry what some people are going to be basing their vote on.

They're basing there vote, whichever way, on their experience and instinct. That's exactly how it should be.

[Carl the Llama]

A @@Carl the Llama size turd.

I'm not sure the campaigns get to pick non MP guests, I'm sure he was just invited on.

Don't tease, I'm so backed up waiting for the Vardy thread to re-open I'll soon be regurgitating logs from my mouth like a really unsanitary bird.

[johnny the fox]

Izzard - Fvcking terrible. Irritating, repetitive, intellectually vapid. 1/10 (only for the hat)

Farage - Standard Farage. Passport used as a prop, repeated same arguments as always. 6/10

Benn - Composed, factual, intelligent and considered. Impressive. 8/10

Pearson - Strange performance, seemed to be trying (in a remarkably ham fisted manner) to win over women in the audience with her odd comments about men dominating the show and Brussels. 5/10

Grayling - Non-entity. 3/10

Audience - Both Remainers and Leavers were swivel eyed lunatics. 0/10

benn has the depth of a puddle..presents well but when you really analyze his rhetoric ..it is usually total bollocks..

[Collymore]

How's Blair not in prison?

[Guest Bilo]

A good orator who based his arguments on facts rather than spin and outright lies, he's actually a very clever man who does his homework before gigs like this. In that sense, the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

[Collymore]

A good orator who based his arguments on facts rather than spin and outright lies, he's actually a very clever man who does his homework before gigs like this. In that sense, the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

Comedy thread timing. Thought you were one about Blair for a split second!

[Guest Kopfkino]

I really hoped this referendum campaign would have a similar effect as the Scottish referendum did but the longer it goes on, the more uninterested, disillusioned and disenfranchised I become despite being an Economics and Politics student. A shit campaign that has highlighted how bad the political elites really are. So the choice is, do you want some out of touch political elite from Europe running your life or do you want some out of touch political elite from the UK running your life? I personally can't be arsed to vote, I will vote Leave at the end of the day because that's where I've leant for a while anyway and partly due to the remain campaign using personal swipes and ludicrous hyperbole as their sole tactic.

 

What I have managed to take from this campaign is the following. Society (whatever that word means) isn't ready for the United Federal Nations of Europe, let alone a united world or whatever Eddie Izzard was on. The fact that we are still completely unable to have a sensible, intellectual debate on important matters in this country suggests to me that society is in those pubescent years. Able to think these grand things, convinced it can do anything when really it's barely more mature than a child. In fact Eddie Izzard sums that up perfectly, "please someone pay attention to me, I know what I'm on about." He was pathetic.

And the public themselves have let themselves down massively. Okay I understand the desire to know exactly what will happen if you vote either way, but please realise that nobody actually has a clue as it is impossible to accurately predict the future when relying on human behaviour. Stop expecting concrete answers. Educate yourself so that you can form your own opinions on what you believe will happen, it will be as good a guess as any so called 'expert'. 

 

This supposed great show of democracy is certainly not that. If this country was so great then this wouldn't have been such a farce. It's annoyed me. Politics in this country needs a revamp, 'democracy' needs rethinking and a lot of people need kicking into the long grass to be replaced by someone who can offer something that is truly forward thinking, modern, positive and actually makes a difference. But then I guess that's as pie in the sky as anything.

[Rincewind]

That;s politics and politicians for you.

[Thracian]

We'll see. But I don't think so.

 

If you pull out the EU won't let you back in.

 

 

Hope you're right. Once is more than enough.

[Rincewind]

I don't think anyone can predict either way what will happen but I based my decision more on the uncertainty of the EU. After dismissing the lies, the politicians, and the scaremongering there is not a lot left. I have gone for out despite being one who is happy to plod along with the way things are. There are people whom I respect on both sides and I do not want to get in arguments with them.

It will most likely end up remain but at least there may be a decent percentage for out which sends a message to this and future governments that there are enough people unhappy with the EU situation. The closer the vote is the more the ones in power may realise there needs to be changes across the board. Hopefully.

[Thracian]

Here's another who's not convinced anything can be changed from within. And you've got to remember the alredy scandalous immigration figures are just the ones recorded. It's anyone guess (but a significant number from the evidence) how many are not recorded. The fast boat and outboard engine producers must be raking it in.   

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36496203

[Bobby Hundreds]

Both campaigns are in the gutter, I'm feeling disenfranchised politically more than ever. The next general election will be our Trump v Hillary moment, we are at the bottom of the barrel.

[davieG]

My current thoughts. No particular order just as they come to mind.

 

 

I don't trust any of the 4 leading protagonists, Cameron, Osbourne, Johnson or Gove. It seems to have developed into a Tory party battle of those for and against.

 

I voted previously to stay in a Common Market. I liked the idea of unified standards for businesses etc

 

I didn't vote for a political union (I guess as a country we did by default by voting in parties that were for it not that there was any other choice really) and  I don't think a political union will work, which it isn't, even Independent Nations like Spain and the UK are having problems staying united so what chance a Euro wide political union.

 

I think it's been proved enough times that big is not always best. The bigger the organisation the further someone like me is from the decision making process most of which seems to happen and then we find out about it as a fait accompli.

 

I just feel the EC has become too large to manage and could / probably will get bigger

 

The economy can and does got tits up whether we're in or out of the EU so I don't really see that as a deciding factor plus it's much more difficult determining fiscal policy the larger and more diverse are those affected

 

I think a large part of our immigration can be controlled but that it's a political choice not to do so. Although I still feel we should have control over all immigration and it's clear that one policy, even with it's opt outs does not fit all.

 

I don't think there's any chance of the reforming the EU other than the odd reluctant tweek because each country rightly has their own agenda to match their specific needs.

 

Enough rambling.

 

 

So I'm 70% out.

[Guest MattP]

Here's a scenario for you: UK votes Brexit, Call Me Dave walks the plank, Boris takes over but is unable to govern his party and meets a hard-line response from Brussels. Meanwhile, uncertainty causes an economic downturn. An early election is held later this year, against a backdrop of political and economic crisis. The public turn against the Govt and Tory voters switch to UKIP or Lib Dems or stay at home. Labour win an absolute majority. By Xmas, Corbyn could be in No. 10 overseeing British withdrawal from the EU!  

 

As a couple of others have said, I would be delighted with that scenario, I'd happily take a Corbyn govvernment and a leave vote if offered it. The country is far more important than party politics.

 

The half-hearted approach of Corbyn and most of the Labour front bench is utterly shameful.

 

If the vote is tight and is swung by Labour voters left uninformed by "their" party - a distinct possibility - history will judge Corbyn & co very badly.

 

I'm still 50-50 myself, but I'll make a decision by 23rd June. It will probably mainly come down to whether or not I think that the EU/Eurozone is reformable. If so, it'll probably be Remain; if not, Leave will seem the better option. Can't say that I'll have much confidence that I'm voting the right way, whichever way I go.

 

I was in the New Parks Social club a couple of nights ago and the referendum was being spoke about, a couple of people who were both voting out were also of the assumption that Labour were a party wanting to leave, I can't remember the exact wording but when I told him that they wanted in the response was something along the lines of why a working class support would support Cameron and the EU, politically I actually don't think it's a bad idea for them to stay in the background as they can't be punished for so fervantly supporting one side in a close argument, although in terms of being a respected government they do look like an absolute joke when it appears they have nothing to say about the most important decision facing our country for decades, under Corbyn they have continued to slide into their own cocoon, only interested in talking to their own little clique.

 

Glad to hear you are now 50-50 from 80-20, keep going that way!

 

To anyone who accuses the BBC of bias towards remain, look at QT tonight. 3 leave supporters against Benn on his own. Izzard has been as much use as a chocolate fire guard tonight. Done more damage than good.

 

Makes a change from the old days though doesn't it? It used to be 5-0 every week and then 4-1 the odd time Nigel Farage was on. I'm astounded how close we've managed to make this vote given the situation our side was in just 10 years ago. Britain is certainly going to leave the European Union at some point, whether it's 2016 or 2026.

 

A good orator who based his arguments on facts rather than spin and outright lies, he's actually a very clever man who does his homework before gigs like this. In that sense, the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree.

 

He's very good on shows like Question Time and giving a speech from in parliament, under interrogation he's pretty awful though, Andrew Neil absolutely tore him to shreds on Monday night over his stance on Europe.

[johnny the fox]

My current thoughts. No particular order just as they come to mind.

 

 

I don't trust any of the 4 leading protagonists, Cameron, Osbourne, Johnson or Gove. It seems to have developed into a Tory party battle of those for and against.

 

I voted previously to stay in a Common Market. I liked the idea of unified standards for businesses etc

 

I didn't vote for a political union (I guess as a country we did by default by voting in parties that were for it not that there was any other choice really) and  I don't think a political union will work, which it isn't, even Independent Nations like Spain and the UK are having problems staying united so what chance a Euro wide political union.

 

I think it's been proved enough times that big is not always best. The bigger the organisation the further someone like me is from the decision making process most of which seems to happen and then we find out about it as a fait accompli.

 

I just feel the EC has become too large to manage and could / probably will get bigger

 

The economy can and does got tits up whether we're in or out of the EU so I don't really see that as a deciding factor plus it's much more difficult determining fiscal policy the larger and more diverse are those affected

 

I think a large part of our immigration can be controlled but that it's a political choice not to do so. Although I still feel we should have control over all immigration and it's clear that one policy, even with it's opt outs does not fit all.

 

I don't think there's any chance of the reforming the EU other than the odd reluctant tweek because each country rightly has their own agenda to match their specific needs.

 

Enough rambling.

 

 

So I'm 70% out.

your 70% out ? so your arse ain't out the door yet?

[Guest MattP]

I don't think an image ever summed up an episode of Question Time more than this one.....