Col city fan Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 The problem I think for Ranieri is that people will keep making immediate comparisons with Nige. 'Nige wouldn't have done it this, that or t'other way' etc. I spose this is understandable but it would be good if we could give the incumbent a chance in his own right. But I'm expecting to see a lot of Pearson love, especially if we start to struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 What are you on about? Are people not allowed to comment on his personality or something. I have been and still am one of the staunchest defenders of NP, but it doesn't stop me from thinking and saying that he seems like a nice bloke. I see no reason why you shouldn't. A lot of people have made their opinion of Pearson entirely about personalities so I think you're allowed to talk about Ranieri being a nice chap if you want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 The problem I think for Ranieri is that people will keep making immediate comparisons with Nige. 'Nige wouldn't have done it this, that or t'other way' etc. I spose this is understandable but it would be good if we could give the incumbent a chance in his own right. But I'm expecting to see a lot of Pearson love, especially if we start to struggle. That's the problem if you bin someone off when they've actually done well. Generally people are sacked for doing badly and then get a grace period for the next guy where everything is okay because it's not the way the precious incumbent did things. I genuinely think, even as someone who thought NP was a good manager, that the majority of our supporters will give him time so long as we're not completely adrift 6 weeks into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 The problem I think for Ranieri is that people will keep making immediate comparisons with Nige. 'Nige wouldn't have done it this, that or t'other way' etc. I spose this is understandable but it would be good if we could give the incumbent a chance in his own right. But I'm expecting to see a lot of Pearson love, especially if we start to struggle. I think we all understand the Pearson love to a degree as he was our best manager in 10/15 years or so However it will get a bit tedious if it does in fact hamper the new managerPersonally (or Pearsonally ) we should just judge him on his own merits etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 17 July 2015 Author Share Posted 17 July 2015 The problem I think for Ranieri is that people will keep making immediate comparisons with Nige. 'Nige wouldn't have done it this, that or t'other way' etc. I spose this is understandable but it would be good if we could give the incumbent a chance in his own right. But I'm expecting to see a lot of Pearson love, especially if we start to struggle. It will always happen, it happens with players when they go, it will happen with managers. It's part and parcel and we need to accept it, especially considering the conditions of Pearson's departure. With it being the owners decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 That's the problem if you bin someone off when they've actually done well. Generally people are sacked for doing badly and then get a grace period for the next guy where everything is okay because it's not the way the precious incumbent did things. I genuinely think, even as someone who thought NP was a good manager, that the majority of our supporters will give him time so long as we're not completely adrift 6 weeks into the season. Yeah you're probably right. It will always happen, it happens with players when they go, it will happen with managers. It's part and parcel and we need to accept it, especially considering the conditions of Pearson's departure. With it being the owners decision. Ditto.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 17 July 2015 Author Share Posted 17 July 2015 Yeah you're probably right. Ditto.. I think recruitment will see comparisons, If you see effort from players drop off will be one of the big things as well. Tactics not so much, that was never Pearson's strong point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 I think recruitment will see comparisons, If you see effort from players drop off will be one of the big things as well. Tactics not so much, that was never Pearson's strong point anyway. I agree Babs but I think one of the issues was that Pearson finally got the tactics right. If the tinker man keeps tinkering and gets it WRONG, then I'm pretty sure a discussion of tactics will ensue thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 I agree Babs but I think one of the issues was that Pearson finally got the tactics right. If the tinker man keeps tinkering and gets it WRONG, then I'm pretty sure a discussion of tactics will ensue thereafter. The most annoying thing about this appointment is that everyone can't wait to use the word "tinker". It reminds me of when there was a phase of lots of people saying "Delusions of grandeur" because Pearson used it in an interview haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 17 July 2015 Author Share Posted 17 July 2015 The most annoying thing about this appointment is that everyone can't wait to use the word "tinker". It reminds me of when there was a phase of lots of people saying "Delusions of grandeur" because Pearson used it in an interview haha. I've always said it... but that's thanks to Han Solo in Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 I've always said it... but that's thanks to Han Solo in Star Wars when I was 16 one of my first bosses at work used it about me (I'm only 5' 8") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 Claudio Ranieri: Resurrection for Chelsea's 'dead man walking'By Owen PhillipsBBC Sport Claudio Ranieri's return to English football as Leicester City boss, 11 years after he became the first managerial casualty of the ruthless Roman Abramovich regime at Chelsea, was a shock to many and has certainly divided opinion. Former Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp reckoned the 63-year-old Italian - who famously embraced his 'dead man walking' tag towards theend of his reign at Chelsea - was fortunate to get a Premier League job in England. Ex-Leicester midfielder and pundit Robbie Savage described the appointment as a "bad choice", while BBC Sport's Gary Lineker - a former Foxes player and lifetime fan - simply tweeted "Really?" But many have also praised the work he did during four transitional years at Chelsea and his two-year spell with Monaco, and point to the experience he has gained while managing some of the biggest clubs in Europe. BBC Sport talks to pundits, experts and former players to gauge opinion about the 'Tinkerman's' second job in England's top flight. CHELSEA AND LEICESTER PAST Mark Bosnich, ex-Aston Villa and Man Utd goalkeeper, signed for Chelsea by Ranieri"He was a bit of father figure. In general he was very thorough and at the time he was little bit of a novelty in English football. There weren't as many foreign coaches in the Premier League and I think some of his ways gave him a little bit of an advantage. "His communication skills weren't great because he couldn't speak the language. That was understandable but didn't help and everybody was basically living a little bit on edge whether they played well or not. That contributed to a lot of the players feeling a little bit insecure under him. "A lot of people will say that is good and it keeps people on their toes. Players getting tired is a different story but if players play well they should know they will be in the team. "That type of tinkering was not really conducive to continuity and sometimes it came across that he had a few problems with the bigger players in the team if they didn't swim in the right direction. "He relied a lot on his coaches, who were very good. He let them do their stuff and would always oversee everything until it came down to the tactics when he really took on a hands-on role. "A lot of the time he relied on the translator so it was very tricky to give a Churchillian speech at half-time. He had his way of getting his way of getting his point across. Bosnich spent two years under Ranieri at Chelsea but barely played and is more well known from his time at Aston Villa and Manchester United "I remember a time at Derby when we weren't playing well and he came in and waited for three or four minutes before he said anything. He didn't like to get overly emotional because he believed that would be detrimental to the side. "Claudio suffered a bit because he was new to English football and maybe didn't quite understand the culture. He was different and a decent manager but I didn't really think he had it in him to get a side to win trophies. "But that may suit him. His remit will be to keep Leicester up, so I do think being here before and having the experience he has had will give him a good perspective on how to approach this job. "I don't think he is the right manager in terms of getting the side to battle but I think you will see a profound change in the way Leicester play. The owners seem to want them to play in a different way that is much more attractive on the eye." Frank Sinclair, former Chelsea and Leicester City defender"I was very surprised he was appointed. There was lots of talk about Martin O'Neill and Neil Lennon going back to the club where they are truly loved. But Claudio's experience and some of the clubs he has managed is phenomenal. "From what I know of his time at Chelsea, from speaking to the likes of John Terry, he is a very strict manager and very much a disciplinarian, who knows the game inside out. He had a very successful period at Chelsea and some people have forgotten that. He was a bit unlucky. It was part and parcel of the way Roman Abramovich was running Chelsea. Quoteable Claudio - Five memorable Ranieri moments at Chelsea"Hello my sharks, welcome to the funeral" - the Italian greets the assembled media shortly before his inevitable sacking. "No, I will be sacked in May!" - Ranieri responds to Charlton fans taunting him with chants of 'You're getting sacked in the summer'. "When I don't put Damien Duff in the squad my mother asks 'why isn't Damien playing?' She kills me about it and that's true" - on the perils of picking his team in the Roman Abramovich era. "People have said I am a dead man walking but I am not - I am still moving. It is difficult to kill me" - summing up his situation as speculation about his future started to build. "If it is the case that you need just a first 11 and three or four more players, then why did Christopher Columbus sail to India to discover America?" - Ranieri on his large squad and Tinkerman nickname. "If I was a player at Leicester still I would be excited given the players he has worked with in the past - very excited. But for the next manager at Leicester, the job in hand is stabilising the club. I don't think they are looking to win things yet. If they can be a mid-table team then he will be doing a fantastic job. "He will have funds but won't have ridiculous money. But Leicester finished the season as good as anybody last season and the squad is quite strong so they only need to strengthen in two or three positions." EUROPEAN EXPERTS Gabriele Marcotti, England-based Italian sports journalist, author and presenter"He's very experienced, and has been in lots of different situations. Above all he is someone who is generally unfazed and unflustered by some of the challenges ahead. If it's a big personality, he approaches it like he's seen it before and he knows what to do and how to get through it. "We often make a mistake when we compare people to their past and things that happened 11 years ago. He is a different manager to the guy he was in 2004 when he had that unique job with Roman Abramovich just coming in at Chelsea with limitless funds. Ranieri spent £11m to bring Frank Lampard to Chelsea in 2001 "Along the way he has been in different situations. He is more difficult to rattle than before, having dealt with some very tricky high-profile, high-pressure situations at Juventus, Roma and Monaco. That will stand him in very good stead. "He is not the sort of manager who gets involved in transfers. He generally describes the profile of the player he wants and leaves it up to the club to deliver. My understanding was that Nigel Pearson was more of a top-down manager but with Ranieri that will not happen. He would not deal with agents or other clubs with signings. He would approve them but would not be driving negotiations. "If you define success as Leicester staying up then I think Ranieri can deliver that. If you are looking at long-term growth and rebuilding then maybe that is not it. What you are getting above all is a very good pragmatist who can handle difficult situations." Matt Spiro, France-based football writer and broadcaster"I saw him work at Monaco for a couple of very successful seasons and I was impressed. He joined in the second division and got them promoted, winning the league title and in their first season in the top flight they were competing with Paris St-Germain up until the last month of the season. "Generally he was very well perceived in France and it was very surprising and no-one really understood why he was sacked at the end of his second season when Monaco finished second. "He played very positive and very attacking football. OK, they hadRadamel Falcao and James Rodriguez, but even against Paris St-Germain they played to win and did not sit back and defend. Ranieri is well versed in dealing with the best players in world football - including now Real Madrid forward James Rodriguez "He does demand a lot from his players and had a fall-out with Rodriguez when he left him out when he was unhappy with the player's workrate. But after that he became a key man and got the move to Real Madrid. "I see him as good man manager and a man who likes to attack and play his football in the right way. "He wasn't afraid to drop James Rodriguez and other players and chop and change formations. Since being at Chelsea, when he got the Tinkerman nickname, football has changed a lot and I don't see it as a particularly big issue. He is an intelligent man and will pick his players on merit; he won't worry about reputations." FOXES CLOSE TO THE GROUND Ian Bason, chairman of the Foxes Trust"I think the reaction will be mixed. He has an international reputation which appealed to the owners and he has Premier League experience. Some fans will always want former Leicester players taking over which I don't think always works out - remember Frank McLintock from many years ago? Play media Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Archive interview 2009 - Claudio Ranieri on his time with Chelsea "Things will have moved on since he managed in England but he has a vast amount of experience and it's better to have some experience of the Premier League than none - which was the case with some of the names bandied about and that was causing alarm. "One of the interesting things will be the playing style and if that will change. I would like to see us not change too much in what we are doing because the players are used to it and we have a consistency in approach." Ian Stringer, BBC Radio Leicester's Leicester City's reporter"Nigel Pearson had created an army at the King Power Stadium with all parts, eventually, coming together to win seven of nine vital games to ensure they remained among the elite this term. Mr Ranieri's biggest challenge is walking in as the new ranking officer and winning the trust of his troops. "The test of coming back to the Premier League for the first time since 2004 will be a big one as the division has moved on significantly. "But the style of play created by Pearson, the players, and staff was unique. Claudio doesn't have long to familiarise himself with his playing staff, particularly the glut of strikers, and form a steady side for a generous start which sees Sunderland, West Ham, Tottenham and Bournemouth as their opening games." BUT NOT ALL ARE HAPPY.... Gary Lineker, former Leicester and England striker and BBC presenter"Claudio Ranieri? Really? Ranieri is clearly experienced, but this is an uninspired choice by Leicester. It's amazing how the same old names keep getting a go on the managerial merry-go-round." Robbie Savage, ex-Foxes and Wales midfielder and BBC pundit"Ranieri, good manager but for me not Leicester. If you play for the Foxes you need someone you can relate to as a manager. O'Neill, Pearson are managers the players can relate to. I'd have gone back to O'Neill or Lennon. It will be a relegation battle whoever was manager. Big name, bad choice in my opinion. Time will tell. Hopefully I am wrong." Dietmar Hamaan, former Liverpool and Germany midfielder"Can't believe Leicester appointed Ranieri. Great club, great fanbase but I'm afraid MK rather than Old Trafford season after next." Harry Redknapp, former Tottenham and West Ham manager"Ranieri is a nice guy, but he's done well to get the Leicester job. After what happened with Greece, I am surprised he can walk back in to the Premier League. He wasn't one of the managers I thought would have a chance of getting that job. I never ever thought about him taking over at Leicester." Ranieri remained a popular figure with Chelsea fans who admired his humility and dignity even when it became clear he would be replaced by Jose Mourinho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molson Canadian Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 "He was a bit of father figure. In general he was very thorough and at the time he was little bit of a novelty in English football. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGpBUCjH950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 I don't think a good start has ever been more important to a Leicester manager than to Claudio Ranieri. Picture the scene. It's October, we sit in the relegation zone after a frustrating start caused by the managers lack of knowledge of the squad and league. Fans favourites such as Jamie Vardy and Riyad Mahrez have been dropped, with their anger evident. The atmosphere in the stadium has turned sour and a lot of fans are longing for the 'Pearson-era'. The boos are audible after matches and the 'Ranieri Out' chatter has begun. Sunday October 11th. Ireland play their last Euro 2016 qualifier against Poland and miss out on the play-off spot. Seen as failure, Martin O'Neill leaves his position with Roy Keane taking the helm. I wonder what happens next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 I don't think a good start has ever been more important to a Leicester manager than to Claudio Ranieri. Picture the scene. It's October, we sit in the relegation zone after a frustrating start caused by the managers lack of knowledge of the squad and league. Fans favourites such as Jamie Vardy and Riyad Mahrez have been dropped, with their anger evident. The atmosphere in the stadium has turned sour and a lot of fans are longing for the 'Pearson-era'. The boos are audible after matches and the 'Ranieri Out' chatter has begun. Sunday October 11th. Ireland play their last Euro 2016 qualifier against Poland and miss out on the play-off spot. Seen as failure, Martin O'Neill leaves his position with Roy Keane taking the helm. I wonder what happens next? Whilst I agree with you, let's also remember that Peter Taylor had us top of the Premier League in October of his first season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 Whilst I agree with you, let's also remember that Peter Taylor had us top of the Premier League in October of his first season! I think Taylor's a good example, actually. Had it not been for the first few months we'd have gone down in 2001, whereas we managed to stay up comfortably in the end and should really have heeded the warning by firing Taylor at the end of the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 I don't think a good start has ever been more important to a Leicester manager than to Claudio Ranieri. Picture the scene. It's October, we sit in the relegation zone after a frustrating start caused by the managers lack of knowledge of the squad and league. Fans favourites such as Jamie Vardy and Riyad Mahrez have been dropped, with their anger evident. The atmosphere in the stadium has turned sour and a lot of fans are longing for the 'Pearson-era'. The boos are audible after matches and the 'Ranieri Out' chatter has begun. Sunday October 11th. Ireland play their last Euro 2016 qualifier against Poland and miss out on the play-off spot. Seen as failure, Martin O'Neill leaves his position with Roy Keane taking the helm. I wonder what happens next? I'm pretty confident that either Claudio Ranieri or Sam Allardyce will be our manager at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinFox Posted 17 July 2015 Share Posted 17 July 2015 The most annoying thing about this appointment is that everyone can't wait to use the word "tinker". It reminds me of when there was a phase of lots of people saying "Delusions of grandeur" because Pearson used it in an interview haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Weasel Fox Posted 18 July 2015 Share Posted 18 July 2015 I don't think a good start has ever been more important to a Leicester manager than to Claudio Ranieri. Picture the scene. It's October, we sit in the relegation zone after a frustrating start caused by the managers lack of knowledge of the squad and league. Fans favourites such as Jamie Vardy and Riyad Mahrez have been dropped, with their anger evident. The atmosphere in the stadium has turned sour and a lot of fans are longing for the 'Pearson-era'. The boos are audible after matches and the 'Ranieri Out' chatter has begun. Sunday October 11th. Ireland play their last Euro 2016 qualifier against Poland and miss out on the play-off spot. Seen as failure, Martin O'Neill leaves his position with Roy Keane taking the helm. I wonder what happens next? O'God returns to save us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilLCFC Posted 18 July 2015 Share Posted 18 July 2015 I don't think a good start has ever been more important to a Leicester manager than to Claudio Ranieri. Picture the scene. It's October, we sit in the relegation zone after a frustrating start caused by the managers lack of knowledge of the squad and league. Fans favourites such as Jamie Vardy and Riyad Mahrez have been dropped, with their anger evident. The atmosphere in the stadium has turned sour and a lot of fans are longing for the 'Pearson-era'. The boos are audible after matches and the 'Ranieri Out' chatter has begun. Sunday October 11th. Ireland play their last Euro 2016 qualifier against Poland and miss out on the play-off spot. Seen as failure, Martin O'Neill leaves his position with Roy Keane taking the helm. I wonder what happens next? The owners finally see some sense and bring Pearson back realising that he is the best manager for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 18 July 2015 Share Posted 18 July 2015 I certainly like the fact he will not stand for any player slacking regardless of who you are, seems similar to Pearson, so unlike what some might think I doubt he will stand for players just here for a pay check... also reading the article it seems the signings will mostly be done by Rudkin and Walsh and I trust those guys to not get us any overpaid has beens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Smuts Posted 18 July 2015 Share Posted 18 July 2015 You knocking one out at this news Still fapping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 18 July 2015 Share Posted 18 July 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brian-reade-column-gary-lineker-6072678 The bit about the Phil Neville tweet is superb This whole thing about 'Why are England's top former players not coaching' - how is their status any kind of indicator that they will be a good manager? Look at some of the best managers of recent times - Mourinho, Wenger, Ferguson, Clough etc... Where were their sparkling careers in playing football? Can anyone name a genuinely world class player who had an amazing career as a manager as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 18 July 2015 Share Posted 18 July 2015 Very disappointed, in ex-city players, and fellow managers, having a dig at the appointment. just senseless.These ex-profis, are usually the ones that dislike any overthetop critic towards their peers, especially before, they have had a chance. Gary.Ls twitter,1st time I have ever questioned his remarks...but here, way offline!!! I was what some fans called a Pearsonite, I am sorry he is gone, and he and owners were not on the samewave length. BUT..he is no longer the city Manager. Claudio Ranieri is now in that position..Because of the owners actions and statements, I will have patience and give him until Jan-2016. Struggling in bottom 3, no change in fortune, Claudio and Trop will have lost my support Around 17- 15, depends on playing culture, will hold back accordingly. 15-12, positive support, presuming playing standard warrants it. 14-10..so far so good, doing his job, shows improvement, I support their actions. Oh !!! whatever happens, I always be a fuchs fanatic, no matter what the pain. I support, England, in Cricket, football, and Rugby, adding being a city fan just proves, we can take the pain, we know what hurt means. but hey...arent the good days......just brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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