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Migrants - What's the answer?

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bovril

bovril

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“They are bad people; they steal from us and they are poor,” 49-year-old Anwar from Aleppo said of the Afghans. “We are noble people, educated. They come from a country that is backward.”

 

I hear the same thing from Eastern Europeans about the Syrians. And from people in the UK about Eastern Europeans. Tribal nature at its very best.

Webbo

Webbo

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I think it's fair to assume that the Afghans,Albanians, Kosovars and Pakistanis won't be returning to Syria when all the trouble is over.

Strokes

Strokes

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Obviously not, but that calls for stricter border checks rather than just shutting it all down

Or taking from camps where they have most probably had to undergo some viability checks already and have waited patiently like civilised humans.

The Doctor

The Doctor

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Or taking from camps where they have most probably had to undergo some viability checks already and have waited patiently like civilised humans.

 

All well and good saying that, but when a vast section of an entire country comes pouring out of it, the camps in Lebanon and Jordan can't hold all of them - its just not feasible. For them over there, it's not a "single file, there's a good chap" deal, it's more a "there's rubble where my front room used to be and some balaclava-ed men coming over the hill, pelt it".

Strokes

Strokes

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All well and good saying that, but when a vast section of an entire country comes pouring out of it, the camps in Lebanon and Jordan can't hold all of them - its just not feasible. For them over there, it's not a "single file, there's a good chap" deal, it's more a "there's rubble where my front room used to be and some balaclava-ed men coming over the hill, pelt it".

No I understand that but these camps are not all even close to being full, if they were we could deal with that.

Rincewind

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I saw somewhere that Lebanon, a country the size of Cornwall has offered help and shelter to a 1000,000 refugees and people moan if Britain take 20,000.

Although this has to be verified.

Buce

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I think the antipathy towards these people stems from the fact that many of them are not fleeing the horror in Syria, they are economic migrants, not refugees. Seeing people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, East Africa etc fighting border police is deflecting attention from those in most need. I'm all in favour of helping the Syrian refugees, but we aren't in a position to absorb the World's poor and disadvantaged because they are limitless in number. Furthermore, I see no reason why the Syrian diaspora needs to result in permanent relocation; when (if) the mess in Syria is resolved, there is no reason that they shouldn't return and be part of the rebuilding process. I'm not uncaring, and philosophically I would like to see a fairer World with a redistribution of wealth, but relocating the World's poor to Europe is not the answer. It is simply unsustainable.

Dr The Singh

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Where? Because, rather saddening for journalistic standards here, an american comedy website has done the best write up of the situation so far. Choice quotes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The latter being from the Hungarian prime minister.

No, don't be silly, over the course of the month, serious journalism has proven my point, go on the web and search for yourself.  More so, I have real life proof, my relatives from the punjab have now reached germany, given accommodation food etc, my dad was face timed by them and many more I coming across as we speak seeing how they are now living in relative luxury and ease, all for free.  I can tell you for a fact, they know or don't give a fook about neo nazi's, they know fook all about Hungary or Greece, it was never on there radar, they saw the Germans offer ££££££££££, and they came running and more are running!!!!!

Dr The Singh

Dr The Singh

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I think it's fair to assume that the Afghans,Albanians, Kosovars and Pakistanis won't be returning to Syria when all the trouble is over.

My relatives from the Punjab, when things fook up in Germany, will be comming to Britian.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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My relatives from the Punjab, when things fook up in Germany, will be comming to Britian.

 

Good, more Sikhs the better in the UK, perfect example of how a large community integrates into British society with enthusiasm and the minimum of fuss

bovril

bovril

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It is a coincidence that the vast majority of countries that have Islam as their state religion or have large Muslim populations are shitholes?

 

No that's a fallacy, not a coincidence.

Thracian

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 Para 1 - Putting them in fenced camps (cages) stopping them from coming and going, preventing them from working, controlling their food supply. Sounds much like how we treat animals.

 

Para 2 - Yes, people are trying to get to countries where they have the greatest opportunity, why wouldnt they, i would and im sure you would also. "Primitive" or not, people are seeking the best life they can have, if not for pure luck as to where you are born you would do the same, we all try for the best.

 

Para 3 - Im not saying "we" as in the UK, im saying "we" in terms of human beings... We are one race and we are treating other members of that race appallingly.

 

Para 4 - Whether the refugees are wrong for having their children there with them is irrelevant...it still does not justify gassing children, the police and decision makers ARE gassing children. full stop! end of! In another time, it might be considered they are using chemical weapons on children and that is shameful and that people defend it is also shameful.

 

Para 5 - If your next door neighbour comes to you for help... do you slam the door in their face?

 

 

No one seems concerend that the EU will print fifty BILLION euros a month to pay off bankers and wealthy cvnts... why not bump that up to 100 Billion a month and use thoise $ to build factories, to give jobs to unemployed people and refugees, invest that money in creating better health care, employ more nurses, police, use that money to help settle refugees and help them become valuable members of society.

 

 

Because that whole sorry system will implode disastrously in time. And social and national media makes it worse. So much talk and so little sense. It's the economics of compound consequence and inevitable despair.

The more money you print the less it buys. When will people - and the Lefties in particular, understand that or are they wed to the illusion that borrowing will heal every ailment?

It doesn't. It just bandages the wound for a while and if the money can't be paid back then, sooner or later, someone suffers.

Either the borrower or the lender.

And if it's the lender the next borrower pays more by way or interest, security or because he can't get a loan at all. People have died as a result and are still dying. ~The problem doesn't go away because someone shirks their responsibility.  

The tragedy is that so many modern problems are entirely man-made and avoidable ...the legacy of religious or idealogical lunacy and people's eternal quest for power and control...not just on an international scale but locally as well. It makes me sick.

Time and again we're so sodding stupid. We think of so-called remedies but are so up our own arses with self-congratulation we don't see the consequencial downsides - and try to ignore them when we do.

What's coming out of the universities today? You've only got to listen the bullshit spouted by the political activists within the BBC to realise that mankind really is the master when it comes to own goals. Trouble is people's desire to make their mark is stronger than the urge to think things through first.                 

Bayfox

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Because that whole sorry system will implode disastrously in time. And social and national media makes it worse. So much talk and so little sense. It's the economics of compound consequence and inevitable despair.

The more money you print the less it buys. When will people - and the Lefties in particular, understand that or are they wed to the illusion that borrowing will heal every ailment?

It doesn't. It just bandages the wound for a while and if the money can't be paid back then, sooner or later, someone suffers.

Either the borrower or the lender.

And if it's the lender the next borrower pays more by way or interest, security or because he can't get a loan at all. People have died as a result and are still dying. ~The problem doesn't go away because someone shirks their responsibility.  

The tragedy is that so many modern problems are entirely man-made and avoidable ...the legacy of religious or idealogical lunacy and people's eternal quest for power and control...not just on an international scale but locally as well. It makes me sick.

Time and again we're so sodding stupid. We think of so-called remedies but are so up our own arses with self-congratulation we don't see the consequencial downsides - and try to ignore them when we do.

What's coming out of the universities today? You've only got to listen the bullshit spouted by the political activists within the BBC to realise that mankind really is the master when it comes to own goals. Trouble is people's desire to make their mark is stronger than the urge to think things through first.                 

Reading this just made my heart sink, I now feel bad for bringing my kids into the world, what a shit place i have brought them into.

Claridge

Claridge

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My relatives from the Punjab, when things fook up in Germany, will be comming to Britian.

I'm sure you had a go at my punctuation / spelling before.

Any more of my relatives turn up and I'm leaving Britain.

Already got 6 weddings to avoid before xmas.

LET YOU OFF THE COMING :)

Guest

Guest

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No I understand that but these camps are not all even close to being full, if they were we could deal with that.

 

Have you seen the camps in Lebanon?

 

There was a news programme here in France last night and I just couldn't believe the camps they go for as far as you can see. rationed water from standing taps, no electricity. It is a shame to the rest of the world that a country like Lebanon is having to deal with so many migrants/refugees and a shame on us that the conditions are so bad there.

Strokes

Strokes

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Have you seen the camps in Lebanon?

 

There was a news programme here in France last night and I just couldn't believe the camps they go for as far as you can see. rationed water from standing taps, no electricity. It is a shame to the rest of the world that a country like Lebanon is having to deal with so many migrants/refugees and a shame on us that the conditions are so bad there.

Was it as bad as Pontins in the 80s?

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