Migrants - What's the answer?

[Carl the Llama]

I haven't brushed it off - I think it's so important that I started a thread on it to see what answers people had.

 

I think you are underestimating the problem by trying to blame ISIS for it. The migrant problem is a European catastrophe even without the added ISIS problem.

Whichever way you look at it, ISIS's presence has pushed things past the breaking point in terms of what many European countries are presently equipped to deal with.  We certainly didn't have as many people tumbling into the Mediterranean back when the chief migrant population was Afghanis travelling across land.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say if you aren't denying that the current situation is much worse than we've seen in a long time.   If you don't want to hear people suggesting that dealing with ISIS will relieve the pressure in the immediate term and allow more time to find a coherent solution then I'm sorry but as far as I can tell it's a perfectly legitimate response to the questions you've been asking me.

[yorkie1999]

If the threat of war and terror was removed from their homelands, would they go back? There has surely got to be an outcome somewhere, maybe the european governments are waiting for such a public outcry that the only answer will be another war in the middle east. 

[EastAnglianFox]

They don't want to stay in Italy because life here is awful for them. They may not be getting bombed but almost everything else is happening to them and the authorities don't want to know or are complicit. Only today in Milan some poor Eritrean hurled himself under a metro train...then there's the Mafia who see these people as a nice little earner and have no intentions of giving that up too easily.

So what are they exactly expecting elsewhere?

[Christoph]

Gotta empathise for the people leaving the country. I cant imagine how shit they're life must be. I fear what is going to happen to all those people sleeping outside in the winter... 

[RedHux]

So what are they exactly expecting elsewhere?

I suppose dignity would be the easy answer.

[Carl the Llama]

So what are they exactly expecting elsewhere?

The opportunity to work for a living and to provide for their family without being trampled by murderous religious zealots or elsewise exploited.

[Stadt]

Gotta emphasise for the people leaving the country. I cant imagine how shit they're life must be. I fear what is going to happen to all those people sleeping outside in the winter... 

aren't they very clear?

[EastAnglianFox]

The opportunity to work for a living and to provide for their family without being trampled by murderous religious zealots or elsewise exploited.

I meant elsewhere other than Italy within a safe, war free EU country.

[Guest]

Whichever way you look at it, ISIS's presence has pushed things past the breaking point in terms of what many European countries are presently equipped to deal with.  We certainly didn't have as many people tumbling into the Mediterranean back when the chief migrant population was Afghanis travelling across land.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say if you aren't denying that the current situation is much worse than we've seen in a long time.   If you don't want to hear people suggesting that dealing with ISIS will relieve the pressure in the immediate term and allow more time to find a coherent solution then I'm sorry but as far as I can tell it's a perfectly legitimate response to the questions you've been asking me.

It IS a legitimate response but that doesn't mean that I have to agree it will solve the "migrant" problem.

 

I also haven't understood how you intend to deal with ISIS.

[Guest]

I suppose dignity would be the easy answer.

 

They are leaving because they fear for their life. I don't see that Dignity is initially their concern. Safety should be their priority and then they have to build trust and acceptance whivh in turn will give them dignity. Sad though that is.

[Carl the Llama]

It IS a legitimate response but that doesn't mean that I have to agree it will solve the "migrant" problem.

 

I also haven't understood how you intend to deal with ISIS.

That to me is the big question.  How do you kill an ideology?

[Guest]

That to me is the big question.  How do you kill an ideology?

 

Through celebrityism?

 

via Twitter and youtube 

[CupidStunt]

Can someone tell me why most of the "refugees" are male? Where are all the women in this, hardly seen any on the news footage. Just one pregnant woman and child thrown to the floor by her concerned husband

Are there no women under threat in Syria?

[EastAnglianFox]

Can someone tell me why most of the "refugees" are male? Where are all the women in this, hardly seen any on the news footage. Just one pregnant woman and child thrown to the floor by her concerned husband

Are there no women under threat in Syria?

Wow fair play mate! The question I've been asking myself all day/month.

[BlueSi13]

It was all so depressingly predictable.  Politicians around Europe warned that as soon as you start sending navies to pick up those in boats and start opening borders then the flood would follow...thus costing countless more lives as half of Africa and the Middle East bundle themselves into boats knowing that Europe's walls have fallen.

 

On 5 Live a charity reported that around 80% of those who have made it to Europe aren't fleeing war or persecution, they are economic migrants who have realised the time is now.  But who can blame the migrants when these same charities actively encourage them with talk of what they can receive if they make it to England or Sweden etc.  Lots of migrants were interviewed at Calais and were asked why they wanted to go to England, most of the ones I heard said something along the lines of "there they give me money, give me car, give me big house".

 

I perfectly understand those fleeing Syria and other war-torn nations and we are right to be giving as much aid as we can, but the rest?  No.  Unless we stop this now through mass deportations of MIGRANTS (not genuine refugees) then it won't be long before talk of 'floods' or 'swarm' which was bad enough becomes talk of invasion.  The political climate of Europe could change very rapidly indeed.

[CupidStunt]

Wow fair play mate! The question I've been asking myself all day/month.

I think I know the answer to my own question

I am very sceptical for their motives.

While there are people fleeing worn torn countries, I cant help but think the majority do not fall into this category and what we are witnessing is a mass migration which is close, if not already becoming a European crisis

[Guest]

Can someone tell me why most of the "refugees" are male? Where are all the women in this, hardly seen any on the news footage. Just one pregnant woman and child thrown to the floor by her concerned husband

Are there no women under threat in Syria?

I've seen a lot of families today on the TV.

[EastAnglianFox]

I think I know the answer to my own question

I am very sceptical for their motives.

While there are people fleeing worn torn countries, I cant help but think the majority do not fall into this category and what we are witnessing is a mass migration which is close, if not already becoming a European crisis

I agree

But all I get faced with is that I'm a "media puppet" and am sucked in by the far right.

How the heck do these people who say "these poor people are fleeing terror" know that that is the genuine reason!?

It's as ridiculous as me saying they are all radicals intent on causing war!!

Their is no way to know, people are allowed opinions.

[Claridge]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34135679

 

The answer certainly has nothing to do with bullshit propaganda like this.

 

It doesn't help of course that wealthy Gulf countries don't seem to want the refugees - you'd think a good many of them would be most at home there.

 

Refugees represent a massive problem with massive implications and many of them for the worst where Europe and the UK is concerned.  

Vile leftie celeb. Bono and Geldof will be next.

[EastAnglianFox]

Did anybody see the disgusting sensationalising (spell) earlier in Hungary when the police tried to move the reporters/cameras?

Phrases such as "Who knows what is going to happen here once the cameras stop filming"

How about you're just in the way of the police trying to do their job so move out of the way.

[Wymsey]

How long would these migrants stay for?

 

Have a feeling they'll, obviously, want to settle here.

 

If they do, just hope they are willing to work to finance themselves eventually - without sounding rude.

[purpleronnie]

How long would these migrants stay for?

 

Have a feeling they'll, obviously, want to settle here.

 

If they do, just hope they are willing to work to finance themselves eventually - without sounding rude.

It's not rude Wymeswold, everyone who comes to our country should be willing to work, all the evidence suggests that they are, of course they'll be some who don't and some who will find it hard and require financial help.

[Carl the Llama]

It's not rude Wymeswold, everyone who comes to our country should be willing to work, all the evidence suggests that they are, of course they'll be some who don't and some who will find it hard and require financial help.

And they will be held up as examples of why they should all be banned.  For further examples see: Benefits claimants.

[bovril]

Did anybody see the disgusting sensationalising (spell) earlier in Hungary when the police tried to move the reporters/cameras?

Phrases such as "Who knows what is going to happen here once the cameras stop filming"

How about you're just in the way of the police trying to do their job so move out of the way.

I thought that. The way the BBC framed the 'departing train' story was disgustingly sensationalist.

[BlueSi13]

I thought that. The way the BBC framed the 'departing train' story was disgustingly sensationalist.

 

Agreed, disappointing to see the BBC be so biased with regard to this story.