Migrants - What's the answer?

[Webbo]

Would like to see a vid if you have a link!

Where would I get that from? Watch the news at 6, it'll be on again.

[RedSoxUK]

i refuse to believe they would reject it because its christian. with proof i would believe it however. could be many things. they were getting tricked into going refugee camps the other day. What does concern me however is that they are leaving these countries and refusing to go to camps that are a lot better than where they are coming from. why are they not staying in Greece/Serbia/Hungary? Why are they not heading for Slovakia or Romania?

 

Because Slovakia, Romania, Greece, Hungary - they don't give out money and housing so freely compared to Germany and Sweden.

[ChrisFilter]

I'm sick of the media brainwashing, and the stupidity of those that listen and watch, and comment with puppy dog eyes and a welcoming hug. The fact so few truly understand the mess, and the reasons why so many are travelling to Sweden Germany and Calais (not France, Calais) and why so many are dying because of it, it's staggering.

The Independant / The Guardian's stance.

BBC's cherry picking of a poor cute Syrian girls PERILOUS!1!1! Journey to Sweden.

Celebrities who would never dare risk tarnishing their image; so they hold up #WelcomeRefugee signs instead.

David Cameron's backbone.

Every single Labour politician that doesn't understand why mass immigration is bad.

UKIP politicians that tweet the harsh truth, but succumb to pressure from idiotic politically corecetness drones.

The West's propoganda of a dead child who was killed because of his parents negligence.

The lack of media attention to the economic migrants in Hungary who are RESISTING food and water.

Oh crumbs. Where to begin? Come on then. Tell us 'sheeple' why we're doomed. Tell us why mass immigration is bad.

Something, something, muslamic rayguns.

[bovril]

Admirable sentiments Ken, you might mention that to IS.

A bit harsh on ken here. Admittedly his picture was a bit over simplified but it's naive to downplay the role of foreign policy in this crisis. For decades the policy has been 'doesnt matter if they're sons of bitches as long as they're our sons of bitches'. The secularist leaders were always seen as too close to our enemies (Russia) and against our allies (Saudi). We didn't create Islamic extremism but we certainly fanned the flames. The destabilisation of the region in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion could turn out to be one of the biggest disasters in recent history and, as ken's post pointed out, we simply reelected the guys responsible.

[RedSoxUK]

Oh crumbs. Where to begin? Come on then. Tell us 'sheeple' why we're doomed. Tell us why mass immigration is bad.

Something, something, muslamic rayguns.

 

Of course it's bad, and it doesn't work. You just have to look at countries such as Sweden, where they have very light immigration policies, the rise in right-wing ideology there is scary. It's not about prejudice and ignorance to different cultures, it's about why they come, why they fail to integrate in to society, and why a foreign standard coming to somewhere such as Sweden, does not change their culture. That's just the face of it, before all the crime statistics (Sweden has the second highest percentage of rapes in the world), before the economical strains on the public sector. 

 

Mass immigration at such a level as Germany are willing to do, it's utterly bonkers. They're not doing it for humantarian aid or because they're the leaders in the EU - they're doing it for the future of Germany because they have the lowest fertility rate in the world. It's why Sweden opened their doors, they had an aging population and dwindling fertility rate figures.

 

Mass immigration is not the answer, it's a very short-term solution to those involved, but never, I repeat will never be a long-term solution to any country willing to open their doors so freely. 

 

I advise those that disagree, to look up and research the statistics in to the global poor, and the global immigration statistics and birth rates, and realise that if we take refugees, those that we don't take will surpass those that we take in such a short amount of time.

 

The answer has always been, help the people where they are: here's a great video on it 

[Danno]

Oh crumbs. Where to begin? Come on then. Tell us 'sheeple' why we're doomed. Tell us why mass immigration is bad.

Something, something, muslamic rayguns.

No point bothering with ***** like that mate.

[RedSoxUK]

No point bothering with ***** like that mate.

 

Sorry to offend you, like what?

[Guest]

I'm sick of the media brainwashing, and the stupidity of those that listen and watch, and comment with puppy dog eyes and a welcoming hug. The fact so few truly understand the mess, and the reasons why so many are travelling to Sweden Germany and Calais (not France, Calais) and why so many are dying because of it, it's staggering.

 

 

 

you've written some good and interesting things in this thread but this isn't one of them.

 

There are more immigrants in France than England and very few of them are in Calais. 

 

try visiting Marseille for example next time you pass through.

[RedSoxUK]

you've written some good and interesting things in this thread but this isn't one of them.

 

There are more immigrants in France than England and very few of them are in Calais. 

 

try visiting Marseille for example next time you pass through.

 

Noted, yeah i'm aware of France's immigration; I was making the point that economic migrants would take there chances in attempting to get to the UK from France, aclaim asylum in France - using Germany and Sweden as the example, because along with those; as it's been stated in interviews with those in camps outside of Calais (even one last night on Radio Leicester,) they'll get free housing and more money if they get to the UK, whereas the process is more difficult in France.

[Smudge]

A bit harsh on ken here. Admittedly his picture was a bit over simplified but it's naive to downplay the role of foreign policy in this crisis. For decades the policy has been 'doesnt matter if they're sons of bitches as long as they're our sons of bitches'. The secularist leaders were always seen as too close to our enemies (Russia) and against our allies (Saudi). We didn't create Islamic extremism but we certainly fanned the flames. The destabilisation of the region in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion could turn out to be one of the biggest disasters in recent history and, as ken's post pointed out, we simply reelected the guys responsible.

I'd be more than interested to hear his views if they included the problem that included more than slamming Western governments; such as Ashad, the PKK, Turkey and Iran without even touching on IS and the sectarian Arab tribes. Not that I think we  are without blame, of course we are If Bush had stayed out of Iraq the world would be a safer place, well maybe.

 

One thing is for sure Monday morning quarterbacking isn't going to solve the current crisis. The name of this thread is Migrants - What's the Answer? Not "How did we get into this mess".

[purpleronnie]

Bayern Munich have donated 1 million Euro's to help city's refugee's, lets wait and see if the Premiership do anything............

[Guest]

Bayern Munich have donated 1 million Euro's to help city's refugee's, lets wait and see if the Premiership do anything............

 

Or the British handball league.

[Stadt]

Bayern Munich have donated 1 million Euro's to help city's refugee's, lets wait and see if the Premiership do anything............

It's not a global aid charity though, what Bayern have done is brilliant but it's not the premier league or the club's responsibility to provide aid to refugees.

[purpleronnie]

Anyone read the new statesmen?  UK press (you know which ones) are scumbags.

 

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2015/09/cockroaches-campaigns-how-uk-press-u-turned-refugee-crisis

[purpleronnie]

It's not a global aid charity though, what Bayern have done is brilliant but it's not the premier league or the club's responsibility to provide aid to refugees.

Of course not, but what difference does that make?

[Stadt]

Of course not, but what difference does that make?

if they want to help that's fine but there shouldn't be an expectation to help

[BlueSi13]

I'm sick of the media brainwashing, and the stupidity of those that listen and watch, and comment with puppy dog eyes and a welcoming hug. The fact so few truly understand the mess, and the reasons why so many are travelling to Sweden Germany and Calais (not France, Calais) and why so many are dying because of it, it's staggering.

 

The Independant / The Guardian's stance.

BBC's cherry picking of a poor cute Syrian girls PERILOUS!1!1! Journey to Sweden.

Celebrities who would never dare risk tarnishing their image; so they hold up #WelcomeRefugee signs instead.

David Cameron's backbone.

Every single Labour politician that doesn't understand why mass immigration is bad.

UKIP politicians that tweet the harsh truth, but succumb to pressure from idiotic politically corecetness drones.

The West's propoganda of a dead child who was killed because of his parents negligence.

The lack of media attention to the economic migrants in Hungary who are RESISTING food and water.

Agreed, I've never been so disgusted with the BBC for their interpretation of events.  Just check out the website.  An absolute whitewash of opinion.

[BlueSi13]

Check this out:

 

European Commission vice-president Frans Timmermans has been speaking at a press conference on Kos, one of several Greek islands where thousands of people arrive from Turkey.

He said that if the EU fails to help migrants, Europe will be left to "the xenophobes, the extremists, who will destroy it".

He added: "We are facing a moment of truth in European history. We can succeed jointly and united, or we can fail each in our own way, in our own country, on our own islands."

 

​You know I am now convinced the lunatics are running the asylum in Europe, it's like they actually want to destroy themselves.  All I can say is this has changed my opinion on the upcoming referendum, I will now be voting a resounding 'out'.

 

[Wymsey]

I just don't understand why a good majority of the migrants opt to leave for Europe rather than other close continents.

 

 

Questions such as: how they're going to work? Receive medical support? Housing? - springs to mind.

 

The government is already under pressure in trying to solve the apparent 'housing shortage' crisis and the sour situation with the NHS.

[BlueSi13]

 

There's also a video of the British Red Cross packages with food / aid attempting to be given to those in what appears to be a camp.

Plenty of boxes; what happened was the migrants said no, and told them to go away with the aid - because it had a cross on the box.

 

How lovely, telling Hungarians to **** off and move on in their own country when they have absolutely no right to be there in the first place.  But alas no response. Europe is weak and prime for exploitation, these MIGRANTS (not refugees) aren't silly.

[Larry_LCFC]

Did anyone watch Breaking into Britain last night on channel 4? Very interesting. As much as I feel for their plight, they should NOT be rewarded with their own flat and £35 a week when they manage to make it over he illegally. Add to that the free NHS system, which is already swamped, and it all starts to make sense.

The guys making it across couldn't believe their luck - no wonder everyone wants to get here. There are homeless people already in this country who have fallen on hard times, and yet are offered no help at all. How can that be right?

[purpleronnie]

Did anyone watch Breaking into Britain last night on channel 4? Very interesting. As much as I feel for their plight, they should NOT be rewarded with their own flat and £35 a week when they manage to make it over he illegally. Add to that the free NHS system, which is already swamped, and it all starts to make sense.

The guys making it across couldn't believe their luck - no wonder everyone wants to get here. There are homeless people already in this country who have fallen on hard times, and yet are offered no help at all. How can that be right?

How are the homeless not offered help?  There's huge amounts of help on offer for them.  And I hope you don't assume that every illegal or legal immigrant walks into social housing and benefits because its clearly not the case.

[EastAnglianFox]

How lovely, telling Hungarians to **** off and move on in their own country when they have absolutely no right to be there in the first place. But alas no response. Europe is weak and prime for exploitation, these MIGRANTS (not refugees) aren't silly.

Merkel wanted them, she can have them and keep them!!

[Rincewind]

I was not singling out one single government or party. The topic is to do with what the solution is to the refugees from war torn countries. My solution is to tackle the cause. This to me seems !logical. I do not in anyway see this as stupid but if others think it best to shut the d9or after the horse has bolted who am I to argue.

[Larry_LCFC]

How are the homeless not offered help?  There's huge amounts of help on offer for them.  And I hope you don't assume that every illegal or legal immigrant walks into social housing and benefits because its clearly not the case.

Ofcourse some people are on the streets of their own doing and throw help back in peoples faces, but their are some genuine people on the streets who are there through no fault of their own. Only takes a marriage to break down and a job loss and it could be any one of us. The government aren't in any rush to hand out housing to them, particularly single males with no children who seem to fall right at the bottom of the pecking order.

 

I don't assume that's the case with everyone at all. Channel 4 are always going to show the ones who got given housing/benefits straight away. Why wouldn't they when they want a reaction? But it shows that its happening.  I strongly believe we need to do what we can for the migrants with necessary aid and fulfil our moral obligation to those suffering, but when our country is in the state it is, sometimes charity needs to begin at home. I just think we need to be more careful and work out exactly what we can afford to give, without being pressured into it by the rest of the EU.