Parafox Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Why is Germany taking in 800k refuges? They are not doing it out of the kindness of their heart that is for certain, what are they getting out of it? Who would want to travel to Germany by train from Belgium and France? Look what happened last time... Anyway... Quote from The Grauniad.. "There is no obligation under the refugee convention or any other instrument of international law that requires refugees to seek asylum in any particular country. There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined. The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention and the UK's obligations under the European convention on human rights (for example, the obligation not to expose anyone to a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment). The immigration rules state, however, that the secretary of state will only remove an asylum seeker to a safe third country if there is clear evidence that the country concerned will admit the person. This will be so if the person has arrived in the UK via another safe country and had an opportunity at the border of or within that country to claim asylum. The mere fact that the person has passed through another country does not necessarily mean there was an opportunity to claim asylum; if an agent planned the journey and the person was hidden in a vehicle for the duration of it, for example, there is unlikely to have been any realistic opportunity for the person to approach the authorities." Tackle the source, not the result. Stop traffickers preying on desperate souls and selling the the idea of a life away from danger in a promised land in Europe and many would stay in the refugee camps in neighbouring countries. Above all the regimes that are supporting or causing the conflicts in Syria along with IS and problem countries in Africa need to be dealt with and eradicated or changed.
Wymsey Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 It'll only get worse, before it gets better - with the various conflicts here and there.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Or as a power play. To what end? Those devious Germans showing compassion for their fellow humans.
ScouseFox Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Some say it is to do with holding Europe together and blackmailing the UK and others into taking more . Or as a power play. And so what would you do? dunno like i just said
Freesolo Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Well it's a suggestion. How would you stop them getting on boats and keep them in Africa? Destroy any boat caught trafficking and let the people know that there will be a heavy jail sentence just for trafficking and deaths will be considered manslaughter.
Darkon84 Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Germany are getting first pick. You could be right. Perhaps there should be an immigrant version of Dave Chappelle's racial draft! https://vimeo.com/61499874
Frank to be Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 It's horrible to think that right wingers who don't like seeing non white faces on British streets have lead us to a place where helping people in desperate need is politically unfeasible. Our national morals are in dire straights.
Parafox Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 It's horrible to think that right wingers who don't like seeing non white faces on British streets have lead us to a place where helping people in desperate need is politically unfeasible. Our national morals are in Dire Straits. Ahhh, the Tunnel of Love
Jon the Hat Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 It's horrible to think that right wingers who don't like seeing non white faces on British streets have lead us to a place where helping people in desperate need is politically unfeasible. Our national morals are in dire straights. I don't think it is politically unfeasible at all, in fact I expect the Government to react fairly soon. It is clear the majority of public opinion see IS as evil and wants to help genuine refugees. Anyone else think selecting poor buggers you speak English and asking them were they want to get to is rather likely to give you the answer of England? Try asking in German, or French.
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 To what end? Those devious Germans showing compassion for their fellow humans. I'm only quoting media sources. It was stated on "Sky News" today that one of the reasons Germany are doing it is to maintain European dominance. They also stated that it will be used as a counter argument to the changes that the UK wish to make before the UK's vote. Those are power plays if true.
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Destroy any boat caught trafficking and let the people know that there will be a heavy jail sentence just for trafficking and deaths will be considered manslaughter. I don't think many boats are caught are they? Most of them are left to sink as it is. At least from what I've read that is my understanding. I think there already is a heavy sentence for people caught trafficking too. The idea is reasonable but impractical. I wonder how many of the people being trafficked realise how many people are dying en route. We'd be better off getting our own propaganda out there to prevent some people from want to migrate further than the initial camps.
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 I don't think it is politically unfeasible at all, in fact I expect the Government to react fairly soon. It is clear the majority of public opinion see IS as evil and wants to help genuine refugees. Anyone else think selecting poor buggers you speak English and asking them were they want to get to is rather likely to give you the answer of England? Try asking in German, or French. Why not ask in Arabic?
Strokes Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 We could put them all up in the spare council bedrooms and end the bedroom tax once and for all, hooray!
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 We could put them all up in the spare council bedrooms and end the bedroom tax once and for all, hooray! That's one of the better suggestions I've read. Good idea.
foxoffderby Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 The route cause has to be ISIS. Until they stop these modern day Nazis then this will be an issue.
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 The route cause has to be ISIS. Until they stop these modern day Nazis then this will be an issue. Didn't it exist before this recent IS advance?
Carl the Llama Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Didn't it exist before this recent IS advance? Not on this scale.
Sir Fynwy Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 The route cause has to be ISIS. Until they stop these modern day Nazis then this will be an issue. The root cause is failed middle east policy by successive Western governments, the whole region was destabilised by the US/UK in the first Gulf war which created power vacuums and allowed the growth of terror networks, IS would never have existed without the failed policies of the west. 1.5 million Iraqis fled to Syria from the US lead invasion and they are now fleeing from Syria along with the Syrian population, you can't unbreak an egg but you can clean up the mess it makes.
Guest Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Not on this scale. You are joking aren't you? It's just that we have 24/7 media who need stories. Look back to England and Uganda 50 years ago and that wasn't the first. The easyness of transportation and communication have just made this seem big and new.
Carl the Llama Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 You are joking aren't you? It's just that we have 24/7 media who need stories. Look back to England and Uganda 50 years ago and that wasn't the first. The easyness of transportation and communication have just made this seem big and new. You asked if immigration was like this before ISIS and I gave you an answer which was correct. The economist claims it's the worst immigration crisis in Europe since WWII and the worst refugee crisis for any country since Afghanistan almost a quarter of a century ago. So no, it didn't exist "on this scale" "before this recent IS advance". Don't ask if you think you already know.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Shouldn't we be tackling the root of the problem? Civil war in Syria and ISIS?
ozleicester Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 We need to accept that borders are an imagined line, people are real and need to be saved. the "developed" world needs to agree an equal distribution and start saving these people.
johnny the fox Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Yeah, we are riddled with disease over here in Africa! Wtf?! knee jerk..
Bobby Hundreds Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6887997/3-18062015-CP-EN.pdf/4457b050-26f9-4cf1-bf27-9ffb73ff8c7b
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