January transfers, wish list, available etc.

[Babylon]

Carillo I can see us going for again. Cover for an injured Schlupp and a potential long term Mahrez replacement.

[Gerard]

Carillo I can see us going for again. Cover for an injured Schlupp and a potential long term Mahrez replacement.

 

Maybe about £2-3m will get him?

 

He has six months left on his contract and Sporting have banned him from playing because he refuses to sign a new contract. 

 

I imagine Sporting will just want him out and off the wage bill in January for as much money as they can

[AKCJ]

Then look in it and realise you are utterly biased when it comes to Inler. Like you were with 'world class' Cambiasso.

 

 

You don't think that he's proved them wrong?

 

Have a word Col, he's gone on to captain his national team and earn 89 caps.

[foxes21]

Said it in another thread but, Nampalys Mendy please.

Claudio really wanted him in the summer didn't he. Might be more of a summer target as I don't think we will be signing a CM in January.

But imagine if Kante gets injured we can just bring in this fella, who is basically his twin.

[Guest Col city fan]

You don't think that he's proved them wrong?

Have a word Col, he's gone on to captain his national team and earn 89 caps.

At their prime mate (I can't really say this any more) they were world class players. Cambi more than Inler.

But any player gets on a natural curve don't they? I've never been a big fan of getting players on the downward part of the curve. If any season exemplifies this, it's this one. We have both Drinky and Kante going upwards. King has probably about plateaued I think.

Add to that mix the pace of the Prem AND how we play, I'm concerned if we introduce players on the downward curve into THIS team.

That's why I'd steer clear of DeJong and why I'd always said I'd avoid Cambiasso. People forget maybe that we were rubbish until we got Huth fit and made the formation change to accommodate Cambiasso.

And we were rubbish with Esteban pretty much an ever present in the side.

I'm more content with our midfield this season. Why? Because it contains the type of player I'm talking about.

Inler will drift in and out, he'll have good games then will be off the pace in others. And I think DeJong would be similar. I'd be looking to push the boat out and if we feel we need another midfielder (not sure we do) sign one on the upward curve. Why not? We are top of the division and can afford to do so I think?

Put it this way...I have often (contrary to belief) given Cambiasso lots of credit when he has really good games. But he also had stinkers too. As in, getting caught out by quicker, more mobile opposition midfielders too often, sometimes leading to goals. Well THIS season, I can't really recollect Kante for example having an off day? Maybe Arsenal? But that's about it.

I don't want to see our midfield suffer like it did last season if we have to rely too much on Inler and certainly not DeJong. Milan want rid. Ask yourself why? Exactly like Napoli did with Inler and, if truth be told, Inter did with Cambiasso.

[CharlieCharles]

Okay, so please drop the video game console, leave the house and watch some real-life professional footy.

 

On a sidenote: Raffael doesn't play as an attacking midfielder, he's a centre forward/striker.

Actually from a page of the best players not picked up in the german leagues, excluding the bottom one which i added. but thanks for the input

[Gerard]

That's a brilliant post Col, I've noticed you're very similar to my views on a lot of matters (apart from Catermole)  .

 

I was never the biggest Cambiasso fan and although his skill was good and his brain was first class I always felt his legs had gone. Now he's a sub at Olympiacos maybe they're really gone. I too am not in favour of signing players on a downward trajectory, experience is overrated. I'd much rather have a highly rated 22 year old pushing DD & Kante for a place and them all spurring each other on to higher levels.

[AKCJ]

At their prime mate (I can't really say this any more) they were world class players. Cambi more than Inler.

But any player gets on a natural curve don't they? I've never been a big fan of getting players on the downward part of the curve. If any season exemplifies this, it's this one. We have both Drinky and Kante going upwards. King has probably about plateaued I think.

Add to that mix the pace of the Prem AND how we play, I'm concerned if we introduce players on the downward curve into THIS team.

That's why I'd steer clear of DeJong and why I'd always said I'd avoid Cambiasso. People forget maybe that we were rubbish until we got Huth fit and made the formation change to accommodate Cambiasso.

And we were rubbish with Esteban pretty much an ever present in the side.

I'm more content with our midfield this season. Why? Because it contains the type of player I'm talking about.

Inler will drift in and out, he'll have good games then will be off the pace in others. And I think DeJong would be similar. I'd be looking to push the boat out and if we feel we need another midfielder (not sure we do) sign one on the upward curve. Why not? We are top of the division and can afford to do so I think?

Put it this way...I have often (contrary to belief) given Cambiasso lots of credit when he has really good games. But he also had stinkers too. As in, getting caught out by quicker, more mobile opposition midfielders too often, sometimes leading to goals. Well THIS season, I can't really recollect Kante for example having an off day? Maybe Arsenal? But that's about it.

I don't want to see our midfield suffer like it did last season if we have to rely too much on Inler and certainly not DeJong. Milan want rid. Ask yourself why? Exactly like Napoli did with Inler and, if truth be told, Inter did with Cambiasso.

 

What the **** are you on about? Who mentioned De Jong and Cambiasso? Your beef with Cambiasso is especially boring and verging on pathetic.

 

 

Basel let Inler go because of a lack of quality. He's gone on to have a marvellous career and has absolutely proven them wrong.

 

Inler is 33 now or whatever, his career will naturally decline. But I'm not having that he's not proven Basel wrong. That's just plain ****ing stupid.

[Babylon]

At their prime mate (I can't really say this any more) they were world class players. Cambi more than Inler.

But any player gets on a natural curve don't they? I've never been a big fan of getting players on the downward part of the curve. If any season exemplifies this, it's this one. We have both Drinky and Kante going upwards. King has probably about plateaued I think.

Add to that mix the pace of the Prem AND how we play, I'm concerned if we introduce players on the downward curve into THIS team.

That's why I'd steer clear of DeJong and why I'd always said I'd avoid Cambiasso. People forget maybe that we were rubbish until we got Huth fit and made the formation change to accommodate Cambiasso.

And we were rubbish with Esteban pretty much an ever present in the side.

I'm more content with our midfield this season. Why? Because it contains the type of player I'm talking about.

Inler will drift in and out, he'll have good games then will be off the pace in others. And I think DeJong would be similar. I'd be looking to push the boat out and if we feel we need another midfielder (not sure we do) sign one on the upward curve. Why not? We are top of the division and can afford to do so I think?

Put it this way...I have often (contrary to belief) given Cambiasso lots of credit when he has really good games. But he also had stinkers too. As in, getting caught out by quicker, more mobile opposition midfielders too often, sometimes leading to goals. Well THIS season, I can't really recollect Kante for example having an off day? Maybe Arsenal? But that's about it.

I don't want to see our midfield suffer like it did last season if we have to rely too much on Inler and certainly not DeJong. Milan want rid. Ask yourself why? Exactly like Napoli did with Inler and, if truth be told, Inter did with Cambiasso.

 

 

Whilst in theory you are correct that in a perfect world you'd only sign people on an upwards curve, I also think it's just not practical to expect every signing to be along those lines in real life.

 

Older players are often there to add experience and to fill out squads with decent players, who don't perhaps expect to start every game. When we were in the championship the age of our team invariably held us back in the end as we were lacking experience to get us through certain things.

 

The experience we added that summer with someone like Wasyl was just what we needed. Despite what you might think of Cambiasso most people agree he was an excellent signing. For all your protestation about him costing us goals, we've only conceded 5 less than last season. And that's with a back four containing Huth and Fuchs instead of Moore and Konchesky!

 

Fuchs is only a year younger than De Jong, Huth is the same age. But their quality is without question and I don't see you or anyone else questioning them. Older players for the right price, on the right deal, in the right position at the right time can be exactly what you need. So long as you are also signing young talent like Kante, Mahrez etc.

[Babylon]

I'd much rather have a highly rated 22 year old pushing DD & Kante for a place and them all spurring each other on to higher levels.

Would you have preferred to keep Liam Moore and not sign Huth? Or keep plugging away with Schlupp instead of getting Fuchs.

 

As I say above, older players can and do play their part. They just need to be the right ones and used to supplement a squad. Not fill a squad full of them.

[Guest Col city fan]

What the **** are you on about? Who mentioned De Jong and Cambiasso? Your beef with Cambiasso is especially boring and verging on pathetic.

Basel let Inler go because of a lack of quality. He's gone on to have a marvellous career and has absolutely proven them wrong.

Inler is 33 now or whatever, his career will naturally decline. But I'm not having that he's not proven Basel wrong. That's just plain ****ing stupid.

Eh..? You've lost me there?

[AKCJ]

Eh..? You've lost me there?

 

 

Has Inler proven Basel wrong, yes or no?

 

MC Prussian told the story of how Inler has proven Basel wrong and you accused him of bias when actually it's fact.

 

He might not be brilliant for us (even though it's ridiculously early to judge him after 127 minutes of Premier League football) but he's had a wonderful career.

[Stevosevic]

Inler is only 31.5, still got 2/3 years in the tank for a holding player

[Guest Col city fan]

Has Inler proven Basel wrong, yes or no?

MC Prussian told the story of how Inler has proven Basel wrong and you accused him of bias when actually it's fact.

He might not be brilliant for us (even though it's ridiculously early to judge him after 127 minutes of Premier League football) but he's had a wonderful career.

Nope..still lost this end.

I was responding to MC'S 'mirror comment' and his bias toward Inler which is clear to see.

And of course Inler has had a great career. I pretty much said as much in the 'world class' comment of the previous post?

My point remains. Players can 'go over', to coin a phrase. Not only due to age but due to the careers they've had, the positions they've played in and the leagues they've encountered.

When possible, I'd go for players going up. I do agree with Babs though actually. You can still sign players with experience who do do a job. It's picking the right ones that then becomes the task. Huth definately fitted the bill at the right time, as does Fuchs. And playing them correctly.

[Corky]

Let's get Austin cheeky 6m bid, watched him last night he's wins everything in the air just what we need.

 

If Kramaric is to move on then absolutely, didn't have many chances but took both very well. Scored goals at every level he's played at, often in poor teams like Burnley and QPR last season.

[Gerard]

Would you have preferred to keep Liam Moore and not sign Huth? Or keep plugging away with Schlupp instead of getting Fuchs.

 

As I say above, older players can and do play their part. They just need to be the right ones and used to supplement a squad. Not fill a squad full of them.

 

I notice your examples were two first team players rather than reserves that I was talking about.

 

Inler (and in fairness it's in hindsight) is a reserve who's stock is on a downward trajectory, it may have been better to buy a young up and coming player to support DD and Kante although I accept your point has some credibility.

 

I'd rather have a good old un than an average young un.

[AKCJ]

Nope..still lost this end.

I was responding to MC'S 'mirror comment' and his bias toward Inler which is clear to see.

And of course Inler has had a great career. I pretty much said as much in the 'world class' comment of the previous post?

My point remains. Players can 'go over', to coin a phrase. Not only due to age but due to the careers they've had, the positions they've played in and the leagues they've encountered.

When possible, I'd go for players going up. I do agree with Babs though actually. You can still sign players with experience who do do a job. It's picking the right ones that then becomes the task. Huth definately fitted the bill at the right time, as does Fuchs. And playing them correctly.

 

FFS Col this is like pulling teeth. I'm not talking about signing players or players being over the hill... Just read my posts.

 

MC said that Basel let Inler go when he was young, citing "a lack of quality" as their reason. MC then went on to explain that Inler had proven Basel wrong.

 

You then said that MC was biased, which makes me think that you don't agree with MC.

 

Inler has proven Basel wrong, he's made nearly 90 national caps, over half of those as captain. You've surely got to agree that he's certainly not lacked quality?

[Guest Col city fan]

FFS Col this is like pulling teeth. I'm not talking about signing players or players being over the hill... Just read my posts.

MC said that Basel let Inler go when he was young, citing "a lack of quality" as their reason. MC then went on to explain that Inler had proven Basel wrong.

You then said that MC was biased, which makes me think that you don't agree with MC.

Inler has proven Basel wrong, he's made nearly 90 national caps, over half of those as captain. You've surely got to agree that he's certainly not lacked quality?

The suggestion of bias towards Inler isn't only associated with this thread. It's permeated many threads with MC simply sermingly being unwilling to discuss whether Inler might 'fit' into our team NOW, rather than what he may or may not have been like in his heyday. Just like with Cambiasso last season (hence the reference to Cambiasso).

I AGREE with you and he. Inler has had a glittering career. That ain't the point I'm making and never has been.

And why I brought DeJong into the post is because it's the transfer thread and I see him as a similar player. Ie. Past his best...so do Milan, so did Napoli (Inler) as did Inter (Cambiasso).

See?

[AKCJ]

If Inler does half as well as Cambiasso did last season then he'd have been worth it.

 

You just can't accept that Cambiasso was brilliant for us because you got it spectacularly wrong with the Cattermole and you're not man enough to accept it.

 

 

Regardless, I didn't mention any of that. You responded to MC saying that Inler was released by Basel for lacking qualiy and that he'd now proven them wrong and you responded by calling him biased.

 

Again, you got it wrong.

[Guest Col city fan]

If Inler does half as well as Cambiasso did last season then he'd have been worth it.

You just can't accept that Cambiasso was brilliant for us because you got it spectacularly wrong with the Cattermole and you're not man enough to accept it.

Regardless, I didn't mention any of that. You responded to MC saying that Inler was released by Basel for lacking qualiy and that he'd now proven them wrong and you responded by calling him biased.

Again, you got it wrong.

No I don't accept it. Never did and don't now. Have to agree to differ on this one mate, despite your hostility.

[MC Prussian]

What the **** are you on about? Who mentioned De Jong and Cambiasso? Your beef with Cambiasso is especially boring and verging on pathetic.

 

 

Basel let Inler go because of a lack of quality. He's gone on to have a marvellous career and has absolutely proven them wrong.

 

Inler is 33 now or whatever, his career will naturally decline. But I'm not having that he's not proven Basel wrong. That's just plain ****ing stupid.

He's 31. And he's still got about three to four very good years in him, that I'm sure of.

 

And - thanks for the assistance.

[MC Prussian]

No I don't accept it. Never did and don't now. Have to agree to differ on this one mate, despite your hostility.

Well, you never get it wrong when it comes to football.

 

But we've always known that.

 

Still, Lee ****ing Cattermole...

[foxes21]

I've come to the conclusion that Col City Fan is our very own Bernie.

[Out Foxed]

I've come to the conclusion that Col City Fan is our very own Bernie.

bernie can be amusing though

[AKCJ]

No I don't accept it. Never did and don't now. Have to agree to differ on this one mate, despite your hostility.

You must be joking? You're pulling my leg because nobody would prefer cattermole to cambiasso.

Just admit it?