MC Prussian Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Fair comment is allowed. Everything in moderation works.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Don't usually get involved with online rants etc but the amount of uneducated bellends that are posting racist comments and are " excited for war" when they're nothing but stereotypical Jeremy Kyle applicants need to get a grip and have some respect.On here, racist comments, please explain???
GaelicFox Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Tone it down a bit mate, no need to be abusive.[/quote Really To be abusive someone has to be abused My old German buddy is made of proper stuff But don't check his emissions , he farts like a diesel express train !
AKCJ Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Allah Akbar The usual terrorist crap ! Trouble is that genuine Muslims really do have to deal with this sort of ignorant shit.
GaelicFox Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Trouble is that genuine Muslims really do have to deal with this sort of ignorant shit. Totally agree !
fleckneymike Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 I'm always a bit underwhelmed by Allah Akbar, they never specify what he is great at. Plus it is a bit of a cheat, surely by virtue of being god you're bound to be 'great' at most things. Having said that is he really that great? How do we know he's trying? What competition does he have? Is he the only god? If so he could be like Celtic, just a bit better than everyone else but actually not that good at all. I'd want to be sure about those sort of things before comitting to blowing myself up.
GaelicFox Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 You agree that you're ignorant? No moderate Muslims need to smack down the w@nkers shouting Allah Akbar Just like they need to stand up and disclose the massive child sex rings in their communities ! I'm always a bit underwhelmed by Allah Akbar, they never specify what he is great at. Plus it is a bit of a cheat, surely by virtue of being god you're bound to be 'great' at most things. Having said that is he really that great? How do we know he's trying? What competition does he have? Is he the only god? If so he could be like Celtic, just a bit better than everyone else but actually not that good at all. I'd want to be sure about those sort of things before comitting to blowing myself up. I'd want to know if the virgins were blonde or brunette !
AKCJ Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 No moderate Muslims need to smack down the w@nkers shouting Allah Akbar Allahu Akbar means "God is the greatest" or "God is great". Muslims will condemn the people shouting during the minutes silence. But the phrase isn't exclusive to terrorists.
fleckneymike Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 No moderate Muslims need to smack down the w@nkers shouting Allah Akbar Just like they need to stand up and disclose the massive child sex rings in their communities ! I'd want to know if the virgins were blonde or brunette ! Good point. What if they're ugly?
Jimothy Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 No moderate Muslims need to smack down the w@nkers shouting Allah Akbar Just like they need to stand up and disclose the massive child sex rings in their communities ! I'd want to know if the virgins were blonde or brunette ! You honestly think even if all the billions of non extremist Muslims stood up and "smacked down" the terrorists, it'd all stop? Of course it wouldn't, they'd just label them the infidel like the rest of us because they don't see Islam in the same ****ed up way they do and would want them dead. If it was as easy as moderate Muslims slapping the hand of the terrorists like a mother to a naughty child in order to beat the idealogy out of them i think it would have happened by now. That said I agree on the child sex ring thing, but when it seems one the biggest child sex rings of the past 50 odd years seems to revolve around the old white and British boys club of the BBC and parliament, we can't really bitch too much that someone's not blown the whistle in the Muslim community too.
Lionator Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 You honestly think even if all the billions of non extremist Muslims stood up and "smacked down" the terrorists, it'd all stop? Of course it wouldn't, they'd just label them the infidel like the rest of us because they don't see Islam in the same ****ed up way they do and would want them dead. If it was as easy as moderate Muslims slapping the hand of the terrorists like a mother to a naughty child in order to beat the idealogy out of them i think it would have happened by now. This is the thing with ISIS. It's either you're with us or we'll kill you. There's no special dispensation for non-extreme Muslims.
Alf Bentley Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Some interesting interviews on Newsnight this evening, with French politicians and with neighbours from the Brussels/Paris areas the terrorists came from. The French politicians were saying that 90%+ of French jihadists were not radicalised in and around mosques. They were radicalised either over the internet or in prison. The interviews with former neighbours depicted the terrorists not as devout obsessives, but as "normal blokes". They were described as being on the dole, smoking weed, chasing girls etc. I remember similar stuff about some of the 7/7 bombers. Some may have become "devout" due to a personal crisis in lives that made them sound like aimless drifters. For others maybe it gave a role, a status, an excitement? This all raises a big question mark over the wisdom of trying to tackle this through mosques. A lot of the blokes who end up in ISIS may spend very little time at mosques and more time in petty crime, on the dole, smoking dope and surfing the web. This makes it sound like a problem that needs to be addressed more at a social level than through religious institutions. The hate preachers and indoctrinators still need to be a target, but they may have few connections with mosques, operating more freelance among youths, online, in prisons etc. There has been a similar flow of young men to other radical organisations in the past (IRA, ETA) through a similar route - unemployment, alienation, purposelessness, petty crime - and manipulators taking advantage of this on behalf of extremist causes.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 You honestly think even if all the billions of non extremist Muslims stood up and "smacked down" the terrorists, it'd all stop? Of course it wouldn't, they'd just label them the infidel like the rest of us because they don't see Islam in the same ****ed up way they do and would want them dead. If it was as easy as moderate Muslims slapping the hand of the terrorists like a mother to a naughty child in order to beat the idealogy out of them i think it would have happened by now. That said I agree on the child sex ring thing, but when it seems one the biggest child sex rings of the past 50 odd years seems to revolve around the old white and British boys club of the BBC and parliament, we can't really bitch too much that someone's not blown the whistle in the Muslim community too. Muslims need to self police better IMO.
Rincewind Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I agree with pretty much of all Alf says. You need to find out why these people are radicalised.Taking it out on moderates will only turn them against us more.
Jattdogg Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Hey Singh saw this article.... http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/canadian-man-finds-himself-falsely-identified-as-paris-terrorist/
Vardinhio Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Difficult for them to self police as muslims are mostly law abiding, caring people. "Muslims" don't associate with terrorists.
Alf Bentley Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Muslims need to self police better IMO. Doesn't that assume that the "Muslim community" is extremely monolithic and extremely disciplined? In reality, surely "the Muslim community" encompasses everyone from devout, bearded, foreign-born old men via housewives to English-born, non-devout young hotheads just wanting some kicks and status? Is a 21-year-old from a Muslim background any more likely to listen to his "elders and betters" than a 21-year-old from a white or black background? I'm sure parents try to influence their own kids, but are probably too busy working, looking for work, running businesses or running families to police young men from other Muslim families - even assuming such tearaways would listen to them. My Dad's Irish. When the IRA were bombing the country, he didn't see it as his duty, as a "member of the Irish community" to persuade young Irish people not to support the IRA. He didn't support them himself and was too busy getting on with his life and supporting his family. Likewise, while I'd vigorously discourage my daughter from getting involved with a group like the BNP or EDL when she's older, is there any guarantee that I'd have any sway if she was inclined to such extremism? I certainly wouldn't seek to intervene in other people's families if they contained white extremists, Jihadists, IRA supporters or anything similar. Should I?
Vardinhio Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 I think someone else has mentioned it but I suspect that most of the people commiting the acts themselves are vulnerable, desperate people who most likely lack food, shelter, an upbringing etc. Put it like this if you had nothing and I mean nothing and someone offered you a life where you could become someone then many people would take that option. It isn't then until much further down the line people are strapping explosives to themselves.
fuchsntf Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Muslims need to self police better IMO.THATS the problem that people/police including muslims are not understanding...Muslims actually go to their mosques, probably more than any other religious groups. Whether its on sacred ground, or created from old buildings, halls or just houses. The teachers, the Imams, their communty groups and leaders of their teachings religous and also academic. The fact they are brought up in very close communities, and society rulings are closely administrated, with their own clerics.This must be the way through the local authorities and their own link and working closer together, to try with more commitment to become more vigilant. To start not to be ignorant of each others needs, the platforms exsists, its a question of widening them. Firstly though, we must also recognise, that just like all families they have their rebellious teenagers or youth, where the indeginous youth, who can mix maybe-sometimes- maybe, can speak with their peers and mates and even joke or have the piss taking exchanges, over their own predicament. Some of the Muslim youth in growing up in the western world, but with their religious restraints may not have a open modern world ventil and feel more enclosed, adding many might experience more racial and not just religious tensions. Lets face it, all youth go through part of their lives loving hating the world. Mix that with social media, and the targetting of any type of radicalisation, the explosive coincidencies are sitting there ready to be abused. The western world need the help of the honest moderate muslims, or even the aggressive radicals, who dont believe that murder, terrorism is the answer. Something we shouldnt forget, out of the x- millions of Muslims who have made their homes around Europe, these young people that are coaxed into joining these terrorist organisations out of naivity, or frustrations are still in comparison in the very few.Maybe not even between 1-3 thousands .
GaelicFox Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Allahu Akbar means "God is the greatest" or "God is great". Muslims will condemn the people shouting during the minutes silence. But the phrase isn't exclusive to terrorists. It has become so Im afraid ! Good point. What if they're ugly? 20 pints of lager (Stella)
GaelicFox Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 You honestly think even if all the billions of non extremist Muslims stood up and "smacked down" the terrorists, it'd all stop? Of course it wouldn't, they'd just label them the infidel like the rest of us because they don't see Islam in the same ****ed up way they do and would want them dead. If it was as easy as moderate Muslims slapping the hand of the terrorists like a mother to a naughty child in order to beat the idealogy out of them i think it would have happened by now. That said I agree on the child sex ring thing, but when it seems one the biggest child sex rings of the past 50 odd years seems to revolve around the old white and British boys club of the BBC and parliament, we can't really bitch too much that someone's not blown the whistle in the Muslim community too. Wake up the old white boy's abuse was about 1/4 of what went on in Rochdale alone ! Media scared to up set Muslims The whitewash of the ritualised abuse of white vulnerable girls is shocking Shame on our governments !
Jimothy Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Wake up the old white boy's abuse was about 1/4 of what went on in Rochdale alone ! Media scared to up set Muslims The whitewash of the ritualised abuse of white vulnerable girls is shocking Shame on our governments ! That's the part you chose the argue? I think my work here is done.
GaelicFox Posted 17 November 2015 Posted 17 November 2015 Some interesting interviews on Newsnight this evening, with French politicians and with neighbours from the Brussels/Paris areas the terrorists came from. The French politicians were saying that 90%+ of French jihadists were not radicalised in and around mosques. They were radicalised either over the internet or in prison. The interviews with former neighbours depicted the terrorists not as devout obsessives, but as "normal blokes". They were described as being on the dole, smoking weed, chasing girls etc. I remember similar stuff about some of the 7/7 bombers. Some may have become "devout" due to a personal crisis in lives that made them sound like aimless drifters. For others maybe it gave a role, a status, an excitement? This all raises a big question mark over the wisdom of trying to tackle this through mosques. A lot of the blokes who end up in ISIS may spend very little time at mosques and more time in petty crime, on the dole, smoking dope and surfing the web. This makes it sound like a problem that needs to be addressed more at a social level than through religious institutions. The hate preachers and indoctrinators still need to be a target, but they may have few connections with mosques, operating more freelance among youths, online, in prisons etc. There has been a similar flow of young men to other radical organisations in the past (IRA, ETA) through a similar route - unemployment, alienation, purposelessness, petty crime - and manipulators taking advantage of this on behalf of extremist causes. Very good post
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