Itsthejoeker Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 The Guardian are suggesting that the French airstrikes were "unlawful". How can we defeat an enemy who doesn't haveto follow the same rules?
David Guiza Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 The Guardian are suggesting that the French airstrikes were "unlawful". How can we defeat an enemy who doesn't haveto follow the same rules? I'm not agreeing with the Guardian, but even the World Wars had rules and regulations, to lower yourself to the point of a terrorist defeats the point. That's part of what makes us a first world, modern, western country.
MC Prussian Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 The brain and logistical as well as financial source behind the attacks has been identified as Abdelhamid Abaaoud, born in Molenbeek, Belgium and currently residing somewhere in Syria. Allegedly, he's been labeled as one of the most cruel of all jihadist. https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=557191871882346496&r
ozleicester Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 The Guardian are suggesting that the French airstrikes were "unlawful". How can we defeat an enemy who doesn't haveto follow the same rules? If we dont follow laws, we become terrorists. "Collateral damage" is the death of innocents no different to the innocents in Paris.
ramboacdc Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 walking into this thread 22 pages deep without reading any i am guessing there has been a religious debate, a few pictures shared that has been deleted and one or 2 members arguing with anyone who replies?
bovril Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 walking into this thread 22 pages deep without reading any i am guessing there has been a religious debate, a few pictures shared that has been deleted and one or 2 members arguing with anyone who replies? You are wise in the ways of the foxestalk.
Nick Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 walking into this thread 22 pages deep without reading any i am guessing there has been a religious debate, a few pictures shared that has been deleted and one or 2 members arguing with anyone who replies? Basically the Okazaki thread with an added injection of greater prejudice, ignorance and stereotyping?
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Hollande said they'd go for it, something about a War, but I didn't think it'd be so quick after the Paris attacks. Forgive my ignorance, but would France be able to declare war on IS? They claim to be a legitimate nation but I assume they're not officially recognised as a sovereign state, would France but able to declare was formally, and would this cut out the 'their air strikes aren't legal' argument?
BoyJones Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 I would think that France will use the self defence argument. Although IS is not a recognised state as such, there is legal precedent for a country to go in alone against a "non state". Particularly if they target training / suicide recruitment centres. France won't be bothered with any criticism, they don't have an established bleeding hearts / PC community as we do.
Guest Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 The brain and logistical as well as financial source behind the attacks has been identified as Abdelhamid Abaaoud, born in Molenbeek, Belgium and currently residing somewhere in Syria. Allegedly, he's been labeled as one of the most cruel of all jihadist. https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=557191871882346496&r Can they freeze his assets?
MC Prussian Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Can they freeze his assets? Not sure if serious. How exactly would they do that? I don't see terrorists like him relying on a or one particular Western bank, at least not under his own name and/or in Syria. They either pay cash or in kind - or they maintain a rather sophisticated system of bank accounts under different aliases. Wouldn't surprise me if they have their own "Bank of ISIS".
Bayfox Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Not sure if serious. How exactly would they do that? I don't see terrorists like him relying on a or one particular Western bank, at least not under his own name and/or in Syria. They either pay cash or in kind - or they maintain a rather sophisticated system of bank accounts under different aliases. Wouldn't surprise me if they have their own "Bank of ISIS". bet the interest rate is decent.
Merging Cultures Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Not sure if serious. How exactly would they do that? I don't see terrorists like him relying on a or one particular Western bank, at least not under his own name and/or in Syria. They either pay cash or in kind - or they maintain a rather sophisticated system of bank accounts under different aliases. Wouldn't surprise me if they have their own "Bank of ISIS". Apparently they are developing their own currency. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-claims-to-mint-gold-and-silver-coins-for-currency-free-from-satanic-global-economy-10342632.html
Guest Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 Not sure if serious. How exactly would they do that? I don't see terrorists like him relying on a or one particular Western bank, at least not under his own name and/or in Syria. They either pay cash or in kind - or they maintain a rather sophisticated system of bank accounts under different aliases. Wouldn't surprise me if they have their own "Bank of ISIS". It was an honest question. If he has bank accounts somewhere in the world it would surely be possible but assets don't have to be money, if he has property it could be seized. It was stated that he's finacning the IS. If that is the case the finance has to be somewhere before it "moves" to the IS.
Merging Cultures Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 It was an honest question. If he has bank accounts somewhere in the world it would surely be possible but assets don't have to be money, if he has property it could be seized. It was stated that he's finacning the IS. If that is the case the finance has to be somewhere before it "moves" to the IS. BBC headline is Cameron wanting to shut off the terror funding. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34829546 The government probably allows a lot of funding through that supports terrorists, so that they can track it and see what happens. I am pretty sure they can relatively easily shut off finance in formal financial institutions. Having said that, working globally in the financial sector, KYC laws are not very strong and it would be easy to make a fake account. Having said that, the large flows of finance, should trigger alarms.
Merging Cultures Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 I was just listening to LBC, and they are making a good point. Someone is buying the oil that is giving ISIS money. Cut that off and a lot of their finances are gone. And there is no way that the intelligence services do not know who is buying it.
leicsmac Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 I was just listening to LBC, and they are making a good point. Someone is buying the oil that is giving ISIS money. Cut that off and a lot of their finances are gone. And there is no way that the intelligence services do not know who is buying it. I'm sure they do know. Evidently it's someone too powerful to risk pissing off.
MC Prussian Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 BBC headline is Cameron wanting to shut off the terror funding. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34829546 The government probably allows a lot of funding through that supports terrorists, so that they can track it and see what happens. I am pretty sure they can relatively easily shut off finance in formal financial institutions. Having said that, working globally in the financial sector, KYC laws are not very strong and it would be easy to make a fake account. Having said that, the large flows of finance, should trigger alarms. You could theoretically be able to use many different accounts, withdrawing small amounts of money from each. That cash put together can be powerful enough to cover weapons and ammunition purchases.
Merging Cultures Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 You could theoretically be able to use many different accounts, withdrawing small amounts of money from each. That cash put together can be powerful enough to cover weapons and ammunition purchases. They could of course.
Larry_LCFC Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 It will be interesting to see if these attacks lead to soldiers on the ground in Syria. I'm undecided. I think Syria is clearly the beating heart of Isis and you probably need to eradicate it there to slow the spreading of it across the world. Clearly there is only so much you can do from the air. People will say its not our fight, but I think it is. Isis will come for us without a doubt. Can we really afford another war though?
z-layrex Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 I think eradicating the caliphate is the best thing to be done. I know many civilians will die, but I care more about our own I'm sorry to say. You can't destroy the idiology but at least this is some way to get at them.
Bayfox Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 It will be interesting to see if these attacks lead to soldiers on the ground in Syria. I'm undecided. I think Syria is clearly the beating heart of Isis and you probably need to eradicate it there to slow the spreading of it across the world. Clearly there is only so much you can do from the air. People will say its not our fight, but I think it is. Isis will come for us without a doubt. Can we really afford another war though? I don't think it's a case of affording this time. These people aren't going away and are clearly willing to die without combat, so what choice do we have, all this talk of a political solution is nonsense, they want to attack our way of live, what do people think, if we say here you go, here is most of north africa/the middle east, live your own lives, we will leave you to it, they are going to stop at that. The last few attacks have been targeted at the way we live, beach holidays, concerts, cafe's, sporting events. God forbid they had made it into the stadium, the toll would have been even higher. It is time to bomb these ideas off the face of the earth and if we can't do that, the least we can do is wipe as many as possible out, stop the trade in arms and cut of the finances, that would be a start.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 These scumbags show a wicked and lack of contempt for anything that doesn't support their ideology. We have to be brutal IMO. Their aim is to go to paradise for 72 virgins, but if they come into contact with pig fat, they don't realise this aim. Think if we catch anybody related to ISIS we have to be brutal by embalming them with pig fat or killing them with a bullet laced with pug fat. Wow, outcry I hear you all say and they're not real Muslims - and yes they aren't - but maybe it would strike fear into them. They have no regard for us and fook their human rights, we need to get down to their level. Controversial I know but we need to do everything
Larry_LCFC Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 I don't think it's a case of affording this time. These people aren't going away and are clearly willing to die without combat, so what choice do we have, all this talk of a political solution is nonsense, they want to attack our way of live, what do people think, if we say here you go, here is most of north africa/the middle east, live your own lives, we will leave you to it, they are going to stop at that. The last few attacks have been targeted at the way we live, beach holidays, concerts, cafe's, sporting events. God forbid they had made it into the stadium, the toll would have been even higher. It is time to bomb these ideas off the face of the earth and if we can't do that, the least we can do is wipe as many as possible out, stop the trade in arms and cut of the finances, that would be a start. Something major needs to happen in terms of a response I agree. Syria will be an incredibly tricky war to fight though . Do we really trust Russia enough to work alongside them? We have already seen enough of their airstrikes "accidently" hit multiple rebel targets in non isis areas. How do you keep their "agenda" under control.
z-layrex Posted 16 November 2015 Posted 16 November 2015 My gf says we should send a worldwide female army over there.
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