ramboacdc Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Stats for safe no team top after 15 games has finished lower than 6th. last team to be relegated with 9 wins was fulham 13/14 (finished with 32 points) we would need 7 losses on the bounce and all results not to go our way to be back into a relegation dog fight. Stats for not safe "the magic 40 points" has not been reached yet. Blackpool won 10 games the season they were relegated and still went down.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Relegation isn't going to happen, we should be aiming higher now...
Finnaldo Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Relegation at this point would be an achievement in itself. It would take relegation form to finish tenth really.
AKCJ Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 one win away from having enough points to have survived on goal difference last season. and it's December. and we've still got 23 games to play. including Norwich, Newcastle, west brom, Bournemouth, Chelsea and Swansea at home.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Yes, we're safe, barring something utterly unpredictable and unthinkable and horrific like a first-team plane crash, or bombing during a match.
ScouseFox Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 i said after we beat crystal palace we could probably declare that as our points total for the year and i'd still be a bit surprised if we went down. we genuinely could now spend every weekend dressed as different superheroes in different european cities and not play any more games and we'd still stay up.
Corky Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 The most points needed to survive in a 20-team division is 43. The lowest is 31. I reckon that 36 will be enough to stay up this year so four more points.
ramboacdc Posted 7 December 2015 Author Posted 7 December 2015 The most points needed to survive in a 20-team division is 43. The lowest is 31. I reckon that 36 will be enough to stay up this year so four more points. i am interested to see the maths involved to come up with them numbers. serious, not sarcastically!
Stevosevic Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Few draws against the dross would see us safe. No chance we're going down.
Langley Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 I think we're safe however hubris is a dangerous thing ask Icarus how it went.
AKCJ Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 The most points needed to survive in a 20-team division is 43. The lowest is 31. I reckon that 36 will be enough to stay up this year so four more points. Actually it's about 65, saw it on /r/soccer this weekend. Someone worked it out. EDIT; whoops, highlighted the wrong bit.
filbertway Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 i am interested to see the maths involved to come up with them numbers. serious, not sarcastically! I don't know about the higher one but the lower total can't be correct. Surely the lowest to stay up would be 5 points? The bottom three teams losing every game aside from the games where they play each other and draw, each getting 4 points each?
Guest kristianity77 Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 We aren't going down this year. It would take a monumental balls up at the other end of the scale of our great escape last year to even finish lower than 10th this season. If you think that 1 point a game is deemed the minimum in terms of survival, then even if we go along from here until the end of the season in 17th placed form, that should be another 23 points from the remaining 23. That puts us on 55, easily enough for a top half finish. So for me, 55 is the absolute minimum from here that we should be looking to get. Having said that, even 55 in itself would be a worry, as it would require a massive drop in form from here to even achieve that total which wouldn't necessarily bode well for the summer and next season! So yeah, I think we are safe.
potter3 Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 64 is the theoretical minimum to stay up. Maths. I think Corky meant that historically the most points a team has attained in a 20 team league and still been relegated is 42?
Merchant_Banker Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 I don't know about the higher one but the lower total can't be correct. Surely the lowest to stay up would be 5 points? The bottom three teams losing every game aside from the games where they play each other and draw, each getting 4 points each? That doesn't make sense logically though. If the bottom three teams have lost every game apart from those against one another then the fourth team must have beaten those teams and have at least 18 points.
AKCJ Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 That doesn't make sense logically though. If the bottom three teams have lost every game apart from those against one another then the fourth team must have beaten those teams and have at least 18 points. Not necessarily. All teams lose all their games besides the bottom 4. Who draw against each other. Meaning everyone in the bottom 4 is on 6 points. The best goal difference stays up.
Guest kristianity77 Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 That doesn't make sense logically though. If the bottom three teams have lost every game apart from those against one another then the fourth team must have beaten those teams and have at least 18 points. Both wrong i believe. You could pick 4 teams and they all draw each other and lose the rest. One stays up on GD, the other three all go down with 6 points. 6 points is the lowest possible total to technically stay up.
ScouseFox Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 yeah corky is clearly saying in the past the highest and lowest totals necessary are... not mathematically if the season started now and was really f ucked up.
Great Boos Up Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Win the league with 80 points and be deduced 50 points by the FA for the audacity of not being from Manchester or London.
AKCJ Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Win the league with 80 points and be deduced 50 points by the FA for the audacity of not being from Manchester or London. and still stay up because villa, Newcastle and sunderland are shite.
CharlieCharles Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Yes, we're safe, barring something utterly unpredictable and unthinkable and horrific like a first-team plane crash, or bombing during a match. bit far.
filbertway Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 I thought that window seemed too small, sorry for the misunderstanding @@Corky ha. Either way, as scouse says, we're safe. There's more chance of Kramaric playing a game than us going down.
Benguin Posted 7 December 2015 Posted 7 December 2015 Even if we lost every game there is a chance we'd stay up. We need 8 points at the most to stay up, less than three wins. If we can't get 8 points from 23 games than I'm sleeping with Rachel Riley and Danny Simpson is the next primer mister.
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