Number 10 role

[Len Finsbury]

It's blatantly obvious we need a big man. Even when the big guy is not scoring, credible aerial threats create mismatches and mean a CB isn't the #1 target.

 

What's AC and DC mean?

 

And before some smartarse says alternating and direct current, I thought I'd get in first

[lgfualol]

What's AC and DC mean?

 

And before some smartarse says alternating and direct current, I thought I'd get in first

 

I think it means how many corners we've had whilst they've both been on the pitch. Attacking corners and Defending corners?

[Len Finsbury]

I think it means how many corners we've had whilst they've both been on the pitch. Attacking corners and Defending corners?

 

Thanks.

 

Not sure the number of corners we've conceded has any relevancy on who's playing as a striker though.

 

Am I missing something?

[filbertstreet]

What's AC and DC mean?

 

And before some smartarse says alternating and direct current, I thought I'd get in first

alternating and direct ah bollocks

[NewEnglandFox]

Thanks.

 

Not sure the number of corners we've conceded has any relevancy on who's playing as a striker though.

 

Am I missing something?

 

You're trying to overthink it. Attempts are needed to quantify the times we've scored or conceded. Nothing more. I could have just left the number of situations out and just shown a percentage or ratio.

[Len Finsbury]

You're trying to overthink it. Attempts are needed to quantify the times we've scored or conceded. Nothing more. I could have just left the number of situations out and just shown a percentage or ratio.

 

Right, I see now.

[Izzy]

You're trying to overthink it. Attempts are needed to quantify the times we've scored or conceded. Nothing more. I could have just left the number of situations out and just shown a percentage or ratio.

 

[richardsfoxes]

Still think Knockaert could of played there, in this team i feel he could of been a real threat, with Kante and Drinky covering him he could of flourished in this team im sure of it. 

[potter3]

Of course one striker drops deeper, that happens in any 4-4-2, strikers play off each other, it doesn't make someone a 'Number 10'.

Ulloa takes the ball into feet, holds it up etc as he is supporting Vardy, but to say a forward dropping back and a midfielder pushed forward is the same is ridiculous.

I can see why you are saying it, and it's because Okazaki is neither a striker or a midfielder, and you are trying to create him an imaginary role that isn't needed to paper over that fact.

You're going to keep saying he runs because of the role he plays, but I think he just isn't capable of being a goal threat. Ulloa on the other hand plays as a forward, of course not on the shoulder of the last man, but a forward nonetheless.

 

An average of a goal every other game for both Mainz and Japan suggests he's capable of being a goal threat. He's not showing it for us for some reason, whether it be due to the role he's playing, or a lack of confidence or ability. I don't think Ulloa is the answer either, I like him but he's not good enough for a team genuinely challenging for a Champions League place.

[americanfox]

Still think Knockaert could of played there, in this team i feel he could of been a real threat, with Kante and Drinky covering him he could of flourished in this team im sure of it. 

 

From what I've read, still has same problems with losing ball and being selfish. Probably would have been a better fit with our current route 1/direct style, but he still needs to evolve his game and he probably wouldn't have had the chance to do so here.

[Len Finsbury]

An average of a goal every other game for both Mainz and Japan suggests he's capable of being a goal threat. He's not showing it for us for some reason, whether it be due to the role he's playing, or a lack of confidence or ability. I don't think Ulloa is the answer either, I like him but he's not good enough for a team genuinely challenging for a Champions League place.

 

I'm pretty certain that it's the role he's being asked to do. Let's imagine that CR had this formation in mind when he joined rather than let the squad dictate what would be effective and Shinji hadn't been signed already, I'm not so sure he would have bought him for this role. I see it as him having to fit the most suitable player he has to this role, whether that's due to physical stamina identified by the science boffins I don't know. The other roles in the team have players already suited to them perfectly.

 

A manager of the pedigree of Claudio would have assessed the squad and chose a formation that he has the most suited players for. The odds of all positions having players perfectly suited would have been slim.

 

As for Ulloa, I disagree about the quality, I think he's in a similar position to Inler in that our current style of play isn't quite suited to their strengths. If Vardy does go, our style will have to adapt somewhat and perhaps Ulloa will have to step up to the plate.

[americanfox]

I'm pretty certain that it's the role he's being asked to do. Let's imagine that CR had this formation in mind when he joined rather than let the squad dictate what would be effective and Shinji hadn't been signed already, I'm not so sure he would have bought him for this role. I see it as him having to fit the most suitable player he has to this role, whether that's due to physical stamina identified by the science boffins I don't know. The other roles in the team have players already suited to them perfectly.

 

A manager of the pedigree of Claudio would have assessed the squad and chose a formation that he has the most suited players for. The odds of all positions having players perfectly suited would have been slim.

 

As for Ulloa, I disagree about the quality, I think he's in a similar position to Inler in that our current style of play isn't quite suited to their strengths. If Vardy does go, our style will have to adapt somewhat and perhaps Ulloa will have to step up to the plate.

 

I don't think anyone is going out on a limb saying Ulloa isn't a Champions League-quality player.

 

Let's put it this way: if we had been relegated last season, would a Premier League team be clamoring to bring him in? Probably since he did score 10+ goals, but his season was really rough aside from the early purple patch. If the club truly is trying to reach its ambitions, then Ulloa will be a squad player in all likelihood.

[NewEnglandFox]

I'm pretty certain that it's the role he's being asked to do. Let's imagine that CR had this formation in mind when he joined rather than let the squad dictate what would be effective and Shinji hadn't been signed already, I'm not so sure he would have bought him for this role. I see it as him having to fit the most suitable player he has to this role, whether that's due to physical stamina identified by the science boffins I don't know. The other roles in the team have players already suited to them perfectly.

 

The funny part is that Leo is better at winning the ball back than he is.

 

[americanfox]

The funny part is that Leo is better at winning the ball back than he is.

 

 

Haha as compelling as that looks, it's hard to argue that any of those numbers show a statistically significant difference. (being nerdy)

[FireFox]

@@NewEnglandFox No matter what, some people just don't rate Ulloa. I don't quite understand it. My best guess is because he is considered slow, and therefor considered to not work hard.

[NewEnglandFox]

@@NewEnglandFox No matter what, some people just don't rate Ulloa. I don't quite understand it. My best guess is because he is considered slow, and therefor considered to not work hard.

 

I don't have a problem with people not rating Ulloa. I can't understand how they continue to back Shinji when he hasn't looked half decent in 13 games. Leo looks better and puts up better numbers and people are still stuck on "dogged pressing" telling us we fail to see "the big picture" when they're actually the one's that aren't seeing that we play much better with Leo.

[potter3]

I'm pretty certain that it's the role he's being asked to do. Let's imagine that CR had this formation in mind when he joined rather than let the squad dictate what would be effective and Shinji hadn't been signed already, I'm not so sure he would have bought him for this role. I see it as him having to fit the most suitable player he has to this role, whether that's due to physical stamina identified by the science boffins I don't know. The other roles in the team have players already suited to them perfectly.

 

A manager of the pedigree of Claudio would have assessed the squad and chose a formation that he has the most suited players for. The odds of all positions having players perfectly suited would have been slim.

 

As for Ulloa, I disagree about the quality, I think he's in a similar position to Inler in that our current style of play isn't quite suited to their strengths. If Vardy does go, our style will have to adapt somewhat and perhaps Ulloa will have to step up to the plate.

 

I agree that his role is to play more as a support for Vardy, which will limit his chances in front of goal. But when the ball has come into him around the area, he hasn't looked particularly dangerous, often miscontrolling it. 

 

I don't think Ulloa is terrible, but he's got too many deficiencies to be a regular starter for a top half team.

[lcfcbobby]

We don't need any more strikers Ulloa and Okasaki doing a fine job but I still think Kramaric can still do a job if required. Personally I don't think he been given a chance because everyone playing well would like to see Kramaric on the bench occasionally though. We don't need any more CMs as James is about to come back which will make that position even more competitive. only players we need to buy is 1 more CB as I think that Morgan can look a bit of a risk at times but even he is playing better.

 

End of the day what we need to sort out is how to defend against free kicks and corners then we would hardly concede a goal. about 50% of goals against us have come from set plays that's what we need to concentrate on.

[Sooper Steve's shin]

You only have to watch Okazaki or Ulloa to know that they're reasonably ineffective in that position. They're reasonably competent but you never see them go past people or pick out a pass.

Obviously didn't watch the Swansea game on Saturday. There were several examples of very neat footwork by Ulloa and an outrageous outside-of-the-boot pass to put Mahrez through one on one for a chance he didn't take. In fact, siding balls through is something I think he doesn't get credit for but can do pretty well.

[Len Finsbury]

Haha as compelling as that looks, it's hard to argue that any of those numbers show a statistically significant difference. (being nerdy)

 

P values or GTFO

[M0901]

Obviously didn't watch the Swansea game on Saturday. There were several examples of very neat footwork by Ulloa and an outrageous outside-of-the-boot pass to put Mahrez through one on one for a chance he didn't take. In fact, siding balls through is something I think he doesn't get credit for but can do pretty well.

 

 

I remember that - shows his qualities in areas we didn't buy him for in the first place.

 

As Jamie Redknapp would say, the "swaz" on that pass...

[KFS]

David Cameron has played the number 10 role for years, worth a scout?

 

[Captain...]

The funny part is that Leo is better at winning the ball back than he is.

 

 

Leo played against Newcastle and a shit Swansea side, neither of which were able to pass straight and were very compliant in losing the ball. Okazaki's games include United, Arsenal and Spurs who were much better in possession than Newcastle and Swansea.

[Thracian]

It's not an easy choice because Kingy's the perfect player to come off the bench for Drinkwater or Kante. But I'd choose King or Ulloa most of the time. Ulloa because he provides another target for Albrighton's crosses and for our dead ball situations as well as offering another reasonably competent and proven striker in the Premiership and he gives us extra defensive cover from set plays.

 

King because he's just as good at tackling/covering as Shinji if not required to do about three jobs, he's a genuine goalscoring threat from midfield and one who can sometimes the kind of goals others wouldn't. He's another who's useful aerially in dence or attack and remains by the best and quickest passer we've got.

 

What he lacks Drinkwater and Kante is stamina. Kingy tends to be one paced and loses his edge after 70 minutes when he's being asked to play up and down the whole of central midfield. But he's perfectly capable of doing the work Shinji does (which is not much use at the business end of defence), he's an excellent give and go footballer and perhaps our best deliverer of the kind of 10-20-yard passes most needed in support of our main strikers and any runners like Alrbighton, Schlupp, Drinkwater, Kante and Mahrez.

Where King has suffered is in being asked to do too much at times and in particular when we've gone into holding mode in days gone by and lacked the runners necessary for creative forward passing as against Spurs this season but much more often in the first half of last season.

 

King is not a dynamic footballer like Shinji tries to be but a calculating one like Martin Peters used to be. And why we sacrifice his ability to hover behind the front line with the potential to supply both goals, assists and almost every kind of cover I don't know.

 

His main weakness is in physically tracking the quick runner from central midfield cos he's not fast enough (and Shinji's not either hence the tackling on his backside and all the fouls he tries to muster as a kind of cover up).

 

But Kingy wouldn't really not needed for the "runners role given we've now got Kante (who's excellent at it) and Drinkwater who's pretty good and wouldn't need to worry quite so much about getting high enough upfield to get strikes on goal which wouid be no problem anyway cos they mostly miss whatever. 

 

So for me it would be King or Ulloa with Shinji on the bench and that's not a case of fixing what isn't broken but going back to what wasn't broken n the last quarter of the previous and actually adding both goals potential and defensive reinforcement.            

[simon789us]

Wonder how araguiz or however you spell it is feeling about us now