kingcarr21 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 People say we dont need a number 10 . We need options to be able to change our style of play if its required. 2nd half of the season teams will take us more seriously and keep things tight at the back and cutting out space. If we have true aspirations of getting into Europe we need to have more than 1 way of playing. Sometimes you need that player who can unlock a defence with a key pass not just put the ball into space for Vardy to run onto. I love Kingy but is he the player who could do that? I actually wouldnt mind giving him a chance at it
Izzy Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 People say we dont need a number 10 . We need options to be able to change our style of play if its required. 2nd half of the season teams will take us more seriously and keep things tight at the back and cutting out space. If we have true aspirations of getting into Europe we need to have more than 1 way of playing. Sometimes you need that player who can unlock a defence with a key pass not just put the ball into space for Vardy to run onto. I love Kingy but is he the player who could do that? I actually wouldnt mind giving him a chance at it I'be been suggesting this for weeks but it keeps getting dismissed. Would Kingy offer more in this position than Ulloa, Shingy or Kram? I dunno, but he's never let us down and I too would give him a go at it. He seems like the forgotten man to me, but I think he could play the link up role between the midfield and Vards beautifully.
WillyP Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 What about Tom Lawrence? Where has he been playing for Blackburn? Might be worth a go in that role.
jaqo88 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Anyone else think that letting Knocky go may have been a mistake? I think he could have thrived in this role, especially with the way Mahrez has flourished under Ranieri recently
Haydos Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 We have tried Mahrez (arguably our best player) in that role and he was ineffective, as well as Schlupp who was awful, and I'm not sure who was playing the number 10 role against Bournemouth but they were also poor. As a team we are very effective with Okazaki and Ulloa in that role, and whilst it could be improved upon it isn't a crisis and in desperate need of changing. I do but you're giving our No 10 credit when it can't be quantified which is convenient. They're not stand out awful but it is the weakest position in our team. Got to be a second striker rather than a attacking midfielder imo, we play a lot of long balls and the two most forward players have to be close to each other to play off each other and link up effectively. Do we even need a number 10? We're a counter attacking team that plays very fluidly, a classic 10 is more suited to a controlling team with slower build up. We don't need a 'number 10.' This is another one of the myths of modern football. Chelsea have about 7 'number 10's and they aren't scoring goals. With the formation and style that we play we really don't need a creative number 10. A centre forward to play with Vardy could be an option in January as Okazaki and Kramaric have not looked up to it so far. Sorry, didn't realise you'd already basically said this.
Ric Flair Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 I'd not be opposed to someone like Steven Naismith, hardly very glamourous but would fit in. However, Honda from AC Milan is the dream ticket.
M0901 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 ... But we're top. Must be doing something right? Kram and King can both play there too, no?
Ric Flair Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 ... But we're top. Must be doing something right? Kram and King can both play there too, no? Nothing wrong with trying to improve, imagine having an extra attacking player who can score or assist others? We'd be out of sight by March.
Foxymcoxy Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 What about Tom Lawrence? Where has he been playing for Blackburn? Might be worth a go in that role. http://www.whoscored.com/Players/140887 Without having watched him much, I would suggest he wouldn't be an upgrade on what we've got here atm.
filbertway Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Are you saying you wouldn't want him? All players have weaknesses and he's not 19 until February. I'd happily see us spend £20m on a "wonderkid" that Juventus, Man Utd, Arsenal and Barcelona have looked at. He is very strong and pacey and would suit our team. we can't sign world class player but we can sign player with potential to be world class. No idea, never seen him play, it just made me laugh that those were highlighted as his weaknesses haha
Captain... Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 We play a 4411, with one striker playing further forwards, Vardy, and one dropping a bit deeper and offering the link up with the midfield, that is the number "10". Not a false 9, not an attacking mid, but a link up forward. It is more a Sheringham type role, than an Hazard role. Offering a shorter option for the midfield and in Ulloa's case a flick on option for Vardy, whilst playing between the lines, so either one CB needs to step up leaving Vardy 1 on 1, or one CM needs to drop giving more space for Kante and Drinkwater.
Gerard Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 No idea, never seen him play, it just made me laugh that those were highlighted as his weaknesses haha I've never seen Breel Embolo play either. I'm just judging him on his profile and the clubs that want him, age, etc and I think we're more likely to get a player like that playing in the Swiss league than in a top 5 league. I have a pretty good success rate just judging players on their profiles. When people were getting their gussets wet over Inler I always said Kante and Aranguiz are the two players we needed. I was very damning of Benalouane and said Okazaki wouldn't be better than what we had and I think my assessments have all been pretty accurate so far.
kingcarr21 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 I've never seen Breel Embolo play either. I'm just judging him on his profile and the clubs that want him, age, etc and I think we're more likely to get a player like that playing in the Swiss league than in a top 5 league. I have a pretty good success rate just judging players on their profiles. When people were getting their gussets wet over Inler I always said Kante and Aranguiz are the two players we needed. I was very damning of Benalouane and said Okazaki wouldn't be better than what we had and I think my assessments have all been pretty accurate so far.
simon789us Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Go all out for bojan he would he awesome here feeding vardy
AKCJ Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Go all out for bojan he would he awesome here feeding vardy Totally agree with that. Would be perfectly happy to bid 15m on him.
Gerard Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Go all out for bojan he would he awesome here feeding vardy I really don't think we're in a position to take other PL clubs best players. They would probably put a £30m price tag on his head to either get us to go away or stump up a ridiculous amount of money. I think our best bet is to go for the best players in decent European leagues outside the the top 5 or the best players in the smaller teams in the top 5 European leagues. South America is also a great option. Our money goes a lot further outside of England as English teams are just so wealthy now and don't start salivating when they see a large amount of money put in front of them.
LCCFox96 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 For all the talk about who'd be best in this role, with the media attention given to our scouting of him, reported failed bids in the summer and his contract situation, I just can't not see us going back in for Andre Carillo.
desertfox2 Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Jese from Madrid? Been offered to Arsenal for 20m if they won't pay that,worth a cheeky bid. Can't see him being gaurenteed 1st team football at Arsenal why leave Madrids warm bench to sit on Arsenals.
kingfox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Wahbi Khazri 4 goals, 6 assists so far this season.
My Nads Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Javier Hernández guarantees goals and he within our price range. He's he kind of quality proven player we should be looking at now.
simon789us Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 Totally agree with that. Would be perfectly happy to bid 15m on him. Yes 15-20 mil should get him
NewEnglandFox Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 It's blatantly obvious we need a big man. Even when the big guy is not scoring, credible aerial threats create mismatches and mean a CB isn't the #1 target.
Gerard Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 It's blatantly obvious we need a big man. Even when the big guy is not scoring, credible aerial threats create mismatches and mean a CB isn't the #1 target. It's blatantly obvious we need a big man. Even when the big guy is not scoring, credible aerial threats create mismatches and mean a CB isn't the #1 target. I agree, we need to get another player in the team that is good in the air. For defensive reasons more than attacking reasons. Whether that be a No10 or right back or whatever. Huth and Morgan don't dominate the box in the air like alsh and Elliott did.
ImBlue Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 It's not really a standard 442 though is it. The two up top are never in line with each other, one is always deeper regardless of whether it's Okazaki or Ulloha. You could describe this as a 442 with a forward dropped back, or a 451 with a midfielder pushed forward. The description doesn't matter. The important thing is understanding the purpose of the role and it's clear that you simply don't. Pressing from the front has been immensely valuable for us this season. It's one of our strongest attributes, and is in fact being copied across the league. You put two standard strikers up front in line with each other and you lose that. You lose one of the main reasons why we're doing do well. Of course one striker drops deeper, that happens in any 4-4-2, strikers play off each other, it doesn't make someone a 'Number 10'. Ulloa takes the ball into feet, holds it up etc as he is supporting Vardy, but to say a forward dropping back and a midfielder pushed forward is the same is ridiculous. I can see why you are saying it, and it's because Okazaki is neither a striker or a midfielder, and you are trying to create him an imaginary role that isn't needed to paper over that fact. You're going to keep saying he runs because of the role he plays, but I think he just isn't capable of being a goal threat. Ulloa on the other hand plays as a forward, of course not on the shoulder of the last man, but a forward nonetheless.
Fox seen in Norwich Posted 9 December 2015 Posted 9 December 2015 We have King, Okazaki, krama and ulloa plus Lawrence out on loan. That's enough imo. Feels like we'd just spend for the sake of it. .. But if we do buy I've said before that I'd like welbeck. Reason is he's a "jack of all" forward attributes, welbeck can play wing (did well for man u wide), has the pace to run channels, play the hold up game and can head crosses. Plus his height, although not giant size, would help defending corners. He's the all round package for me with prem experience. However, I trust the club to do the correct thing to progress the club. Loving us!
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