st albans fox Posted 7 June 2016 Posted 7 June 2016 Let's go through the squad and decide what we should renegotiate their contracts to and where that leaves us financially Kasper: 80k. extension to three further years Simo: 60k extension to two further years Fuchs: he seems happy to play out his contract and then leave Morgan: 70k extension to two further years Huth: as Morgan Albrighton: 60k extension to two further years Drinkwater: 80k extension to three further years Kante: 100k contact remains three further years Mahrez: 100k contract extension three further years Vardy: 100k extension four extra years (as apparently already negotiated) Ulloa: 50k contract remains at two further years Okazaki: 60k contract remains three extra years King: 50k contract extension two extra years Schlupp: 60k contact extension two extra years I reckon this adds between 20/25 mill per year to the wage bill. Is that really too much given the windfall from this season? We won the league 'on the cheap'. We need to sign new players - say five new ones averaging 3.5 mill salary so that now makes the wage bill an extra 40 odd mill. I still don't see the problem. What I don't want to see is the club being clever about contracts and potentially driving players away. If vards is seriously considering staying for 100k then why hadn't we already done a contract extension at that price. I reckon we could have got away with three years if we had proposed that at the end of the season. forcing players to speak to other clubs to get offers to bring back to us risks them thinking the grass is greener elsewhere. If we want to be at the big boys table then we have to think that way. Feel free to adjust me numbers and point me in the right direction if I've made some errors in my thinking It's late !
themightyfin Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Let's go through the squad and decide what we should renegotiate their contracts to and where that leaves us financially Kasper: 80k. extension to three further years Simo: 60k extension to two further years Fuchs: he seems happy to play out his contract and then leave Morgan: 70k extension to two further years Huth: as Morgan Albrighton: 60k extension to two further years Drinkwater: 80k extension to three further years Kante: 100k contact remains three further years Mahrez: 100k contract extension three further years Vardy: 100k extension four extra years (as apparently already negotiated) Ulloa: 50k contract remains at two further years Okazaki: 60k contract remains three extra years King: 50k contract extension two extra years Schlupp: 60k contact extension two extra years I reckon this adds between 20/25 mill per year to the wage bill. Is that really too much given the windfall from this season? We won the league 'on the cheap' We need to sign new players - say five new ones averaging 3.5 mill salary so that now makes the wage bill an extra 40 odd mill. I still don't see the problem. What I don't want to see is the club being clever about contracts and potentially driving players away. If vards is seriously considering staying for 100k then why hadn't we already done a contract extension at that price. I reckon we could have got away with three years if we had proposed that at the end of the season. forcing players to speak to other clubs to get offers to bring back to us risks them thinking the grass is greener elsewhere. If we want to be at the big boys table then we have to think that way. Feel free to adjust me numbers and point me in the right direction if I've made some errors in my thinking It's late ! You seem to have forgotten all the other squad members and reserves and youth players all those add up. Then what about win/draw bonus/appearance bonus/ clean sheet/goal bonus plus any clauses written into players contracts. All this need to be taken into account so your 40m is way off the figures you quoted totals around 50m plus you say another 15m for new signings total is 65m before everything I just mentioned regarding reserves and bonus that's paid to weekly wages. So that being said your taking well over 100m! Stick to football manager mate
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2016 Author Posted 8 June 2016 You seem to have forgotten all the other squad members and reserves and youth players all those add up. Then what about win/draw bonus/appearance bonus/ clean sheet/goal bonus plus any clauses written into players contracts. All this need to be taken into account so your 40m is way off the figures you quoted totals around 50m plus you say another 15m for new signings total is 65m before everything I just mentioned regarding reserves and bonus that's paid to weekly wages. So that being said your taking well over 100m! Stick to football manager mate I already knew about the squad players. Some of them we wouldn't want to lose and others are already being paid their going rate so they won't get an increase. if they want to leave, so be it. I reckon that takes it towards 45 mill. new players to 60m. Bonus' will be much less generous if the players are being paid their market worth. I think they have shown by their attitude that they can be trusted to put in 100% effort without needing a carrot. our extra earnings this coming season will be 50 million from sky alone. ignore the CL windfall and other increased commercial earnings. our profit this season will be around forty mill I think. The maths works. This isn't football manager, it's our club and I want to take its chance at the top table. the club has a big decision to make. mid table PL and hope that the replacement players we get in can replicate the mahrez/kante/vardy performances or pay the money and you know what you are going to get. Quite risky. Also, if you pay the proper contract size, those bloody low release clauses go and if NG wants to leave next summer, we can take a 45 m fee for him. we have seen our management mess around with fees etc before and it means you have to go through the aggro we have suffered this past few days with JV. we could take the reins and be aggressive over this. It's all going to happen anyway. why wait.
Bayfox Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 King 200K contract - 50 years Worth Every penny, maybe then we can finally put the Birch out to pasture.
hackneyfox Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Let's go through the squad and decide what we should renegotiate their contracts to and where that leaves us financially Kasper: 80k. extension to three further years Simo: 60k extension to two further years Fuchs: he seems happy to play out his contract and then leave Morgan: 70k extension to two further years Huth: as Morgan Albrighton: 60k extension to two further years Drinkwater: 80k extension to three further years Kante: 100k contact remains three further years Mahrez: 100k contract extension three further years Vardy: 100k extension four extra years (as apparently already negotiated) Ulloa: 50k contract remains at two further years Okazaki: 60k contract remains three extra years King: 50k contract extension two extra years Schlupp: 60k contact extension two extra years Not sure why Schlupp is on more than King and he should certainly be on less than Albrighton. I wouldn't extend his contract either.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Have the club sanctioned your contract award recommendations? Seems like great fun in your fantasy sweet shop!
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2016 Author Posted 8 June 2016 Have the club sanctioned your contract award recommendations? Seems like great fun in your fantasy sweet shop! So you think that most of them will sit happily on their 'lower PL level' contracts whilst we pay a few players three times what they earn and new guys come in on higher wages?? And the agents of these players will ask the club what their ambitions are. If we don't want some of them to stay and be motivated then fine but I don't think a disjointed dressing room will work for us. It's a discussion thread. Not sure why you have an attitude? I expect most of the figures I quoted sit well with a squad like stoke's without the few at the very top.
lgfualol Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Isnt Vardy looking at 120k a week with us? Not sure why we'd have to give Schlupp a pay rise. Nobody else will give him near 60k a week.
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2016 Author Posted 8 June 2016 Isnt Vardy looking at 120k a week with us? Not sure why we'd have to give Schlupp a pay rise. Nobody else will give him near 60k a week. a lot of new PL contracts will probably be in this area I reckon. I think jeff would be snapped up within a week if we stuck him on the list with an affordable price on his head.
Ric Flair Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 The likes of Simpson, Albrighton, Schlupp, Ulloa, Okazaki, King and Gray aren't going to be on more than £50,000 a week even on new deals. I think you'd be surprised what some established players are on in the PL, I know we've won the league and some of these have played a massive part but they'd all probably be happy to be bumped up to £40-45k a week. I swear I read somewhere that Harry Kane is only on 35k a week!
Vardinio'sCat Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Whether we agree with your figures, I think it is a fair to suggest that, as the cheapest PL champions for many a year, the players expect (and deserve) to be considered for contract upgrades. They are not low to mid-table players any more, and they should get a share of the rewards coming to LCFC. Having said that some are more relatively 'underpaid' than others. As an example, I imagine Inler is going to have to accept that his reported 60k is probably not going to change. Good thread, nice one. Calling any of them underpaid, considering the huge numbers feels a bit weird, but they are better players than we thought.
Fox92 Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Some of those figures are ludicrous given you've got to total everything up there. We'll be talking loads and can't afford to sustain that. I am tight though, as some would say, even on Football Manager no player gets a stupid amount. Got to love healthy finances.
fuchsntf Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 St Albansfox , just wanted to start up an interesting topic. Seems again, others just want to jump on the big moan bandwagon. I would say his estimates are as good as anyones.These guys have just won the PL title, not one of the cups.Fans personal likes dislikes of those players dont come into it, it will be how the club will estimate their individual worth. Lets face it none of us got it right last season, we were worse in comparison, to many of the pundits we love to criticise (we, I use loosely, because I just dont estimate) Together our opinions, may get near how the relevant management team will re-asses, if they already havent done so, though I expect the individuals business will 1st be addressed after the Euros have been completed. I suppose priorities will be taken, depending on who 1st knocks on the door. Vardy seems to have started it, though I tip his delaying on any announcement, might also be due to the choice of waiting to see, what any of his teammates might do. It could be...if he sees they want to listen to Claudio and wait 1-2 seasons, he will choose to keep 'the band of brothers together', if he believes 2-3 others want to go, then why not also leave. New contracts will depend I believe how successful Ranieri and owners are in persuading, top players to stay. Every single player involved in last seasons success, will be looking for improvement in their contracts, unless obviously they are tagged as access to requirements. St Albansfox ideas are no worse or better, than any other posters ideas, he at least put the idea and thoughts of many together and made a topic. Numpties just love taking others thoughts apart, this forum is slowly becoming too arrogant for its own good...Now hang me...!!
Simo86 Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 a lot of new PL contracts will probably be in this area I reckon. I think jeff would be snapped up within a week if we stuck him on the list with an affordable price on his head. Not with what I've heard about the state of his knee!
Simo86 Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 So you think that most of them will sit happily on their 'lower PL level' contracts whilst we pay a few players three times what they earn and new guys come in on higher wages?? And the agents of these players will ask the club what their ambitions are. If we don't want some of them to stay and be motivated then fine but I don't think a disjointed dressing room will work for us. It's a discussion thread. Not sure why you have an attitude? I expect most of the figures I quoted sit well with a squad like stoke's without the few at the very top. We're not going to re-negotiate the vast majority of the squads contracts
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2016 Author Posted 8 June 2016 WTF We're not going to treble/quadruple everyones wages you're right - I havent
Simo86 Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 you're right - I havent I'd love to know all the players wages....oh wait
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2016 Author Posted 8 June 2016 We're not going to re-negotiate the vast majority of the squads contracts I bet we do how many of you thought vardy would be the first 'out of the door'?
Simo86 Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 I bet we do how many of you thought vardy would be the first 'out of the door'? In football the big boys with the money go after your most influential players that are in the limelight- Kante, Mahrez & Vardy for us. So you could guess that someone would be in for him. Cut to scene in LCFC's financial department....... "Swansea have been linked in the Daily Star to Leo Ulloa" "Quick offer him 50k a week"
Gerard Posted 8 June 2016 Posted 8 June 2016 Simpson 60k a week King 50k a week You'd probably be surprised how relatively little some PL players are on. It's not like Danny Simpson is going to move anywhere else for more money than £60k a week, I wouldn't pay him more than £30k. Our star players are Vardy, Mahrez & Kante and they should be paid £100k+ a week as if we don't someone else will. The next level down is Drinkwater, Schmeichel, Morgan and possibly Fuchs, pay them no more than £75k a week. The rest should be on no more than £50k a week and they're welcome to leave if they think it's not enough as they'd all be replaceable.
st albans fox Posted 8 June 2016 Author Posted 8 June 2016 Simpson 60k a week King 50k a week You'd probably be surprised how relatively little some PL players are on. It's not like Danny Simpson is going to move anywhere else for more money than £60k a week, I wouldn't pay him more than £30k. Our star players are Vardy, Mahrez & Kante and they should be paid £100k+ a week as if we don't someone else will. The next level down is Drinkwater, Schmeichel, Morgan and possibly Fuchs, pay them no more than £75k a week. The rest should be on no more than £50k a week and they're welcome to leave if they think it's not enough as they'd all be replaceable. that's not so different to what I said then. the upshot of 50 instead of 60 and 75 instead of 80 isn't going to make a huge difference to the total annual increase. I guess the point i'm making is that all the players agents are going to be knocking on rudkin's door and the club have to decide how best to keep the dressing room together. having differences per week of 70k in the starting line up is going to be tough to maintain. the club must decide if its going to go down the route of allowing players to leave and replacing via our scouting network or paying more to keep what is already proven at top four level. its a difficult decision. If you look at my figures, I tried not to offer big amounts on long contracts unless I felt the player was a saleable asset. otherwise, you run the risk of no one buying them because they wont pay the same salary. where I wrote 'contract extension', I mean from now. I wasn't sure how long many of them have to run on their existing deals. I have a suspicion that our owners are quite tough when it comes to negotiations. if it were the other way around, would vardys people have felt the need to actually obtain concrete offers to take back to the club. even if they all want to stay, it looks like the media are going to be kept busy over our better players unless the club decide to take the situation in hand and make them 'knockout offers' rather than waiting.
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