Babylon Posted 11 July 2016 Posted 11 July 2016 Correct you didn't say they were bad deals. You started off by saying they were all shit deals. Stop back tracking you dry slice. You're misunderstanding @@themightyfin I'm talking about the actual negotiating of the deals. Whether it's Rudkin, Neville or Robinson (was it Robinson, Director of football when we got promoted). Forget what they or we did on the pitch, I'm not talking about whether someone flopped or was amazing, I'm talking them sitting down with the other clubs and wangling a great price for us whether that's in or out. Someone like Levy is famed for driving a hard bargain and draining the very most from every deal for Spurs.
sylofox Posted 11 July 2016 Posted 11 July 2016 Thought this was dead. A local Norwich fan that gets some info seems to think we have walked away.
surrifox Posted 11 July 2016 Posted 11 July 2016 Thought this was dead. A local Norwich fan that gets some info seems to think we have walked away. Quite a few newspaper reports were saying so too so probably dead in the water
sdb Posted 11 July 2016 Posted 11 July 2016 Don't think we have room for him to be honest. Shame he's off to away though.
st albans fox Posted 11 July 2016 Posted 11 July 2016 You're misunderstanding @@themightyfin I'm talking about the actual negotiating of the deals. Whether it's Rudkin, Neville or Robinson (was it Robinson, Director of football when we got promoted). Forget what they or we did on the pitch, I'm not talking about whether someone flopped or was amazing, I'm talking them sitting down with the other clubs and wangling a great price for us whether that's in or out. Someone like Levy is famed for driving a hard bargain and draining the very most from every deal for Spurs. We seem to have got musa for many millions below his buy out clause. That seems like decent negotiating to me.
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 On 6/22/2016 at 23:03, lcfceaves said: best player for Norwich last season If you only count the first half of the season, and completely ignore the fact that he came 2nd in our player of the season awards not 1st, then perhaps. Actually had a very up and down season, started very brightly, mediocre at best for a period in the middle, then finished pretty well. But he definitely has Premier League ability, much prefer him on the left wing than at left back though. Would be gutted to lose him but every player has their price. Laughing at the person who said no thanks at £7m in the first couple of pages, that would buy about 45% of him perhaps, this is 2016 not 2008, and we're a team on parachute payments with (allegedly) enough to drop £10m on McCormack, not Ipswich. Redmond went for just £11m but he only had one year left on his deal and tribunals for under 24's tend to settle at a fraction of market value, we've got another year before we are pressured into selling. Still, if a team does meet our price and we do have to sell him then I do hope that it is Leicester.
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 On 6/30/2016 at 14:40, foxes21 said: I just cant see him as a left back in this team. As a winger, yes! gerrrim in! But as a full back I don't think he's good enough defensively . This. He only played so much at left back for us because Martin Olsson was injured for a period, he's definitely primarily a winger and his secondary role was backup left back.
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 On 7/8/2016 at 06:55, Fox 4 Life said: Few reports this morning saying we have pulled out because of the fee. Absolute joke to be honest, they sold Redmond who is a better player for 11m . One has a left foot, has 2 years left on his deal, and came 2nd in our POTS awards. Redmond only has a right foot, had 1 year left on his deal, and didn't come in the top 3 of our POTS awards.
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 On 7/9/2016 at 09:15, mozartfox said: I will be glad when we can close this thread down. it is worrying that Norwich think we are mugs enough to pay so much for so ordinary ability. Interested in your logic (or lack of) here. If somebody wealthier than you knocked on your door and asked if you would sell them your ordinary house, which you hadn't listed for sale and were very happy with, and they asked you to name your price and you said £300k, and they said "I ain't paying that, do you think I'm a mug, I went on Zoopla and its only worth £150k", you'd probably say "good, I don't want to move, now get off my ****ing land you peanut". We haven't transfer listed Robbie Brady, we want to keep him, and haven't invited these inquiries. I'd have thought that a Leicester fan of all people would understand this, seeing as your club has spent four months trying to keep hold of your best players due to interest from wealthier clubs. You would have no complaints if your board asked £100m for Mahrez and it scared Arsenal off, it doesn't mean you are trying to make mugs out of Arsenal, it means that your club is ambitious and wants to keep hold of its best players.
Finnegan Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 55 minutes ago, norwichtalk.com said: One has a left foot, has 2 years left on his deal, and came 2nd in our POTS awards. Redmond only has a right foot, had 1 year left on his deal, and didn't come in the top 3 of our POTS awards. One is a very quick twenty two year old England under 21with pretty good technique who still has the reputation of being a future international winger. The other is a twenty four year old Irishman who doesn't know his best position. If you think Brady has more market value in a world where Fabian Delph and Raheem Sterling were well valued by Man City for their nationality then you're being naive. Do I doubt you that Brady had a better season? Not at all. Do I think the market in this country is ludicrous? Absolutely. Do I think Leicester should pay more than ~10m for Brady? Not a chance. That's not to say he isn't worth 10m to you just as Mahrez and Kante were worth 100m+ to us but that's a little different. It's also not reality. Do we sink your perceived 15m on Brady or buy a Polish wonderkid for 5m? The answer to that seems like a foregone conclusion. (Welcome by the way and commiserations on your relegation, would have liked to have seen you stay up. The "we play football the right way" thing was annoying and to that end you got what you deserved by the side seemed pretty hard working, your fans more likeable than the Mackems and your gaffer a tidy bloke. Good luck this year.)
deep blue Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 1 hour ago, norwichtalk.com said: Interested in your logic (or lack of) here. If somebody wealthier than you knocked on your door and asked if you would sell them your ordinary house, which you hadn't listed for sale and were very happy with, and they asked you to name your price and you said £300k, and they said "I ain't paying that, do you think I'm a mug, I went on Zoopla and its only worth £150k", you'd probably say "good, I don't want to move, now get off my ****ing land you peanut". We haven't transfer listed Robbie Brady, we want to keep him, and haven't invited these inquiries. I'd have thought that a Leicester fan of all people would understand this, seeing as your club has spent four months trying to keep hold of your best players due to interest from wealthier clubs. You would have no complaints if your board asked £100m for Mahrez and it scared Arsenal off, it doesn't mean you are trying to make mugs out of Arsenal, it means that your club is ambitious and wants to keep hold of its best players. Can't argue with that.
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 Quote One is a very quick twenty two year old England under 21 with pretty good technique who still has the reputation of being a future international winger. I guess you mean future England international, because presumably you'd know that one is already an international winger Quote The other is a twenty four year old Irishman who doesn't know his best position. His best position is definitely left wing, he only played left back for us last season because Olsson had a serious shoulder injury, as soon as Olsson returned he played left wing. Quote If you think Brady has more market value in a world where Fabian Delph and Raheem Sterling were well valued by Man City for their nationality then you're being naive. Man City and Chelsea are always desperately in search of players to meet the home grown player quota, and even Liverpool are now at the point where they are going to need to start searching for home grown players. That's why Man City start throwing money at clubs to sign Delph's and Adam Johnson's and the like. But Robbie Brady came through at Man Utd, therefore qualifies as a home grown player, you don't need to be born in England or eligible to play for England to be one of those. Quote Do I think the market in this country is ludicrous? Absolutely. So does everybody mate, and I actually think it is going to cause clubs problems, they sign a foreign player on English wages and when that player flops they are stuck with them for the duration of the contract because none of them would take the huge pay cut required to return on a permanent to wherever they came from. We've got one right now, Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, probably on £40k a week here and what would he get in Eredivisie or Portugal? They are his realistic options, £10k to £12k perhaps? (I know you were talking about domestic transfer fees, but the massive wages comes with it, too big of a gap between wages in the EPL and everywhere else in the world). Quote Do we sink your perceived 15m on Brady or buy a Polish wonderkid for 5m? The answer to that seems like a foregone conclusion. Hopefully the Polish wonderkid, I don't want us to sell Brady! You understand what you need more than I do, I'm just hopeful that Redmond is the only outgoing we needed to balance the budget and that Brady remains a Norwich player, because we should have ambitions to return to the Premier League and it isn't easy to replace Premier League standard players when you are a Championship side.... another thing that has to be factored into the price that we ask. It would be easier to replace him if we'd finished 17th last season, because perhaps that Polish wonderkid would then be an option for us too. Quote The "we play football the right way" thing was annoying and to that end you got what you deserved by the side seemed pretty hard working, your fans more likeable than the Mackems and your gaffer a tidy bloke. Good luck this year.) Much appreciated, I rate our manager very highly. I'm also fond of Leicester, that goes back to the time you appointed Martin O'Neill and signed Darren Eadie (unfortunately couldn't do himself justice at Leicester as he was a crock by the time he reached you, he was the Redmond equivalent - actually better than Redmond - before his serious injury and would have become an England international). Last time in the Premier league (2011 to 2014) we managed to avoid that old "play football the right way" cliche because Swansea were in vogue, I guess if we got a bit of that last season then it just shows how crap Swansea were. Surprised to hear we got any of the "we play football the right way" lines last season... I didn't notice.... if they mean having strikers who couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo and not being able to defend until Klose arrived in January, then a funny definition of the right way to play football!
Finnegan Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 It's not (just) about filling quotas for home grown players, it's about being an England international or a young prospective one. That still very much means something in the transfer market. Values for English players will always outweigh those for their Celtic counterparts when a potential international call up is thrown in.
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: It's not (just) about filling quotas for home grown players, it's about being an England international or a young prospective one. That still very much means something in the transfer market. Values for English players will always outweigh those for their Celtic counterparts when a potential international call up is thrown in. We're allegedly just bid £10m for a Scottish player who is 30 next month and has only ever kicked a ball in the Championship and the SPL. So its understandable why we wouldn't sell a 24 year old player who has played three seasons of Premier League football and proven his ability in that league, is one of Ireland's best players, and is a left winger with an actual left foot, for £10m (would probably be the best Ireland player if it weren't for another one of our players, and that other player has a fast approaching expiry date). Even when you consider the "strikers premium". We paid £7m for him, so £10m isn't exactly going to be an offer we can't refuse. The one silver lining about being a Norwich fan is that we're very well run financially and pretty much debt free, didn't need to have a fire sale last time we came down and don't need to this time either. I think this inflated English transfer fee thing is a bit of a myth anyway. Last season Sterling became the most expensive English player in history with a £49m price tag and everybody was amazed. In the same season Man City paid £55m for Kevin De Bruyne and that barely raised an eyebrow, they had similarly mediocre seasons and De Bruyne is 4 years older than Sterling. Daniel Sturridge has moved from Man City to Chelsea, then Chelsea to Liverpool, and his largest transfer fee is £12m.... Mario Balotelli has had three moves, including to Man City and Liverpool, and his lowest transfer fee is £16m. They are a similar age, I know which one I rate the highest. Inter Milan paid £13m for the Irishman Robbie Keane from Coventry in the year 2000, which is probably about £40m+ in today's transfer market, and Coventry replaced him by buying the Welshman Craig Bellamy for £6m from us, a young Championship striker - and that's year 2000 prices! I'd personally be very disappointed if we sold Brady for less than £14m/£15m, although that's just my perception of his worth and importance to us, and if your perception is that you don't need him enough to pay that money then its understandable. As a Norwich fan I can also remember the last time we sold a good left winger (Eadie) and how long it took before we could find another good one (Four years, Huckerby). The stage is set for Brady to become Ireland's big star just about now, Robbie Keane is finished, Hoolahan is their latest love affair but he's 34, Brady is probably their new icon. By the way, Redmond may be the quicker player but Brady is no snail, and Redmond is the type of player basically stands apart only for his pace. Can't be certain that he'll be the same player after his first serious injury, he hasn't had one yet, the list of exciting fast players who get an injury which renders them mediocre for eternity is endless.
mozartfox Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 2 hours ago, norwichtalk.com said: Interested in your logic (or lack of) here. If somebody wealthier than you knocked on your door and asked if you would sell them your ordinary house, which you hadn't listed for sale and were very happy with, and they asked you to name your price and you said £300k, and they said "I ain't paying that, do you think I'm a mug, I went on Zoopla and its only worth £150k", you'd probably say "good, I don't want to move, now get off my ****ing land you peanut". We haven't transfer listed Robbie Brady, we want to keep him, and haven't invited these inquiries. I'd have thought that a Leicester fan of all people would understand this, seeing as your club has spent four months trying to keep hold of your best players due to interest from wealthier clubs. You would have no complaints if your board asked £100m for Mahrez and it scared Arsenal off, it doesn't mean you are trying to make mugs out of Arsenal, it means that your club is ambitious and wants to keep hold of its best players. Simple logic is, IMO he 'ain't worth the sort of money Ed Balls thinks he is. Not for us. We can and will do much better. Best player or not for Norwich last term, they went down!
YorkshireYellow Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 36 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Simple logic is, IMO he 'ain't worth the sort of money Ed Balls thinks he is. Not for us. We can and will do much better. Best player or not for Norwich last term, they went down! He weren't our best player last season, Johnny Howson was. But I go back to my original point, your home might be 'worth' £150k according to some coked up estate agent, but if you love living in that house and have had a look on Right Move and nothing in the £150k price range interests you in the slightest, then you've got every right to stick your fingers up at £150k and stay put.... that's all Norwich are doing when they look around at the market and decide that £10m isn't enough. Although I do wonder whether you even want a left winger, Redmond can play as an inverted left winger so you'd have thought that if you wanted to spend £10m on a left winger you'd have just gone for him, if you need a left back then Brady isn't even the best left back in the Norwich squad.
Babylon Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 On 11 July 2016 at 19:59, st albans fox said: We seem to have got musa for many millions below his buy out clause. That seems like decent negotiating to me. Or he was never worth that amount in the first place...
Guest Cujek Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 2 hours ago, norwichtalk.com said: I think this inflated English transfer fee thing is a bit of a myth anyway. Last season Sterling became the most expensive English player in history with a £49m price tag and everybody was amazed. In the same season Man City paid £55m for Kevin De Bruyne and that barely raised an eyebrow, they had similarly mediocre seasons and De Bruyne is 4 years older than Sterling. That's because Sterling is shit and runs like a T-rex, de bruyne is pure class
mozartfox Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 1 hour ago, norwichtalk.com said: He weren't our best player last season, Johnny Howson was. But I go back to my original point, your home might be 'worth' £150k according to some coked up estate agent, but if you love living in that house and have had a look on Right Move and nothing in the £150k price range interests you in the slightest, then you've got every right to stick your fingers up at £150k and stay put.... that's all Norwich are doing when they look around at the market and decide that £10m isn't enough. Although I do wonder whether you even want a left winger, Redmond can play as an inverted left winger so you'd have thought that if you wanted to spend £10m on a left winger you'd have just gone for him, if you need a left back then Brady isn't even the best left back in the Norwich squad. The cost of my home is irrelevant.. IMO he no better that what we have so why bother paying a vast sum so he an see on the bench? Barmy.. We should be looking to better what we have in tandem with buying for the future at attractive fee levels and wages. This is just my opinion which is also irelevant in the scheme of things as the Club have paid officials whose job it is to recruit, or did have until Walsh fooked off.
Finnegan Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 I'm afraid De Bruyne and Sterling enforce my point, not yours. The idea that Sterling is worth a fee in the same ball park as De Bruyne is hilarious. He went for the fee he did because he's a young England international.
sylofox Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 If someone offered me 150k for my place I would be off. Not sure the landlord would be very happy though.
m4DD0gg Posted 27 July 2016 Posted 27 July 2016 Article off NewsNow reporting we are preparing an 18m bid hahaha. Edit - i really need to stop going on there as its full of total bollocks
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