Would you be satisfied if we made no more signings? v1.2

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 minute ago, 4everfox said:

If Moore goes we will not be limited to a 23 man squad as we only need to register 4 players home grown at the club to comply with UEFA rules (which to my knowledge is a player trained at the club for three years before their 21st birthday). 

I am speaking about the "A list" squad: There is a need for four players (over 21) who have been "home-grown" by the team. We currently have 3: Schlupp, King, and Moore. So if Moore goes, it is a 23-man A-list.

Chilwell and Choudhury would qualify as B-list. Those are U21 players who have been with the team for over two years. Although I think Choudhury might be called up in an emergency, he isn't a first team regular, and has been playing (or not, was on the bench the last game) with the U23's.

 

However, you are mistaken about UEFA's B-list (the U21's) It works differently than in the Premier League. You can't be put on the B-list (the U21 list) unless you have been with the club for 2 years, which is why Gray has to be on the A-list (The registered 25-man squad, or in our case, 23-man squad). Our number one U21 goalkeeper is Iverson, who hasn't been at the club for two-years, so he would have to go on the A-list, too. Our backup GK on the un23 team is 17, I think. My guess is we will just have 2 GK's for Champions League (a lot of clubs do this).

 

So, 23 possible A-list, + Chilwell is a 24 man squad. And sure, Choudhury and the Admiral, and the other U21's who have been developed by LCFC are there in case, but they aren't really members of the first team, yet.

[foxy boxing]

it is not about numbers in,it is finding the right quality player that is the right fit for Leicester. we have to be patient and our scouts would have looked at certain players a few times to access their strengths. we will bring in more players but we want the right players for our club

[fuchsntf]

20 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

If Moore goes we will not be limited to a 23 man squad as we only need to register 4 players home grown at the club to comply with UEFA rules (which to my knowledge is a player trained at the club for three years before their 21st birthday). We can register Chilwell, Choudhury, Schlupp and King. That means we only need to register 4 more players who have been trained at any club in England for three years before their 21st birthday and we have those in abundance (Schmeichel, Zieler, Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Albrighton, Gray, Drinkwater, James and Vardy). We can, if we choose, register players under the age of 21 that have trained in England for three years but we aren't obliged to as they would be available to play anyway (Demarai Gray). That means that if we register the following as our home grown players: Schmeichel, Zieler, Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Chilwell, Albrighton, Drinkwater, James, Vardy, Schlupp, Choudhury and King then we have 12 more positions in the squad that we can fill with the following: Hernandez, Wasilewski, Fuchs, Amartey, Mendy, Kapustka, Mahrez, Ulloa, Okazaki and Musa which would leave us with two more positions left in the squad to fill with new signings. As for the third goalkeeper we must have a half decent goalkeeper in the development squad that is under 21 and has trained in England for three years. I'd definitely like to see us fill those two remaining slots though so my preference would be to sign a versatile defender and an attacker. Fill those two positions and I'd be very satisfied with our summer business.

Informative post, some good points, many including me may not of clicked into.

Its also good to see, that all posters have their head screwed on right, and there as been a 

fair balance IMO ON this thread question..

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Below is realistically what we've got at the minute, presuming Inler, RDL and Moore go.

 

People like Amartey, Schlupp, Musa, Kapustka can all cover different positions as well. The biggest issue is only one specialist right back, I think we see Hernandez and Amartey being cover there. But lose Simpson and get an injury somewhere else and suddenly hole start to appear.

 

As it is Benny, Chillwell, Was, James, Ulloa and Kapustka won't be getting on the bench week in week out. Having too many more missing out could start to cause issues.   I think we can probably fit one more player into the squad, any more after than and I think we'd have to ship people out to make room.

 

GK: Kasper / Zieler

 

LB: Fuchs / Chilwell

CB: Morgan / Hernandez

CB: Huth / Was / Benny

RB: Simpson / Amartey

 

LW: Albrighton / Kapustka / Schlupp

CM: Drinkwater / King

CM: Mendy / James

RW: Mahrez / Gray

 

ST: Vardy / Musa

ST: Okazaki / Ulloa

 

 

Baffles me how anyone can look at that squad and not think we're in a great position.

 

Every place has genuine quality in both the starting and back up slots. The only place that might be due an upgrade is that we could splash the 25m or whatever on Slimani.

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Baffles me how anyone can look at that squad and not think we're in a great position.

 

Every place has genuine quality in both the starting and back up slots. The only place that might be due an upgrade is that we could splash the 25m or whatever on Slimani.

If we buy anyone else, they have to be genuinely better than what we have. I've always defended the fact buying squad players can improve you, but we're getting to the point our backup in the main is more than good enough now. I'm a bit surprised we're going into the season without having actually upgraded say right back and the 10 position. They looked the most obvious and easiest areas to improve, yet I'm not sure we have.

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

If we buy anyone else, they have to be genuinely better than what we have. I've always defended the fact buying squad players can improve you, but we're getting to the point our backup in the main is more than good enough now. I'm a bit surprised we're going into the season without having actually upgraded say right back and the 10 position. They looked the most obvious and easiest areas to improve, yet I'm not sure we have.

Personally think that Hernandez will be playing right back. Been impressed with him in pre-season so far.

[Buzzell]

Still need to to replace Kante imo. Maybe Amartey could play that role if we converted to three in the middle but we're still missing quality in that area. 

[sylofox]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

If we buy anyone else, they have to be genuinely better than what we have. I've always defended the fact buying squad players can improve you, but we're getting to the point our backup in the main is more than good enough now. I'm a bit surprised we're going into the season without having actually upgraded say right back and the 10 position. They looked the most obvious and easiest areas to improve, yet I'm not sure we have.

Right back is the must do position for me now. Unless we sell anyone off of the squad you put up. We still have the January window.

[psychonaut]

10 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Personally think that Hernandez will be playing right back. Been impressed with him in pre-season so far.

Completely exploited in the PSG game. Too early to make a judgement but just my observations.

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, psychonaut said:

Completely exploited in the PSG game. Too early to make a judgement but just my observations.

Thought him and Chilwell were the only two to come out of the game with any credit.

[lgfualol]

Is James injured? I think we'll see him being replaced if not as we didn't bother bringing him to L.A.

[psychonaut]

10 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Right back is the must do position for me now. Unless we sell anyone off of the squad you put up. We still have the January window.

I'm happy with Simpson but he does need some direct competition. Amartey and Hernandez are not right backs.

 

11 minutes ago, buzzer_b said:

Still need to to replace Kante imo. Maybe Amartey could play that role if we converted to three in the middle but we're still missing quality in that area. 

I agree although I cant see us bringing in anyone else in that area. I think we'll possibly have to adapt to 3 across the middle or look to adapt it as a plan b if we're being over run.

 

10 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Thought him and Chilwell were the only two to come out of the game with any credit.

We were being hammered down both sides. I'm sure Chilwell was completely out of position for 2 of the goals. Didn't think he had a good game at all. I thought Hernandez did ok otherwise - performed a lovely drag back and seems very comfortable on the ball.

[Bluearmyfox28]

3 signings still needed after Kaputska. 

 

Striker, centre mid & a right back.

 

wouldnt mind Slimani, Lemina & Bruno Peres

[Babylon]

36 minutes ago, buzzer_b said:

Still need to to replace Kante imo. Maybe Amartey could play that role if we converted to three in the middle but we're still missing quality in that area. 

You've seen Mendy play a few minutes... could we actually give him a chance before we write him off. If we can't play exactly the same way we did with Kante, then Ranieri will tweak something to make it work. He's made a capable right back out of Simpson by playing him the right way. I'm sure he can get us playing in a way that gets the best from Mendy and DD in the middle.

[artursteppe]

10 minutes ago, psychonaut said:

I'm happy with Simpson but he does need some direct competition. Amartey and Hernandez are not right backs.

 

I agree although I cant see us bringing in anyone else in that area. I think we'll possibly have to adapt to 3 across the middle or look to adapt it as a plan b if we're being over run.

 

We were being hammered down both sides. I'm sure Chilwell was completely out of position for 2 of the goals. Didn't think he had a good game at all. I thought Hernandez did ok otherwise - performed a lovely drag back and seems very comfortable on the ball.

I thought Fuchs was on for the last three of their goals. It was Fuchs who was definitely out of position for their headed goal which I thought was their second, and scored at the same end as their last two. I could be very wrong though because I only saw the last  half hour, live on TV.

[TJB-fox]

Personally think we need a right back a striker a centre mid and a young centre back wouldn't go amiss, but 3/4 players to add to the squad seems an awful lot. 1/2 more in and I'll be happy

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, artursteppe said:

I thought Fuchs was on for the last three of their goals. It was Fuchs who was definitely out of position for their headed goal which I thought was their second, and scored at the same end as their last two. I could be very wrong though because I only saw the last  half hour, live on TV.

2 first half, 2 second half... so they shared the misery.

[4everfox]

1 hour ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

I am speaking about the "A list" squad: There is a need for four players (over 21) who have been "home-grown" by the team. We currently have 3: Schlupp, King, and Moore. So if Moore goes, it is a 23-man A-list.

Chilwell and Choudhury would qualify as B-list. Those are U21 players who have been with the team for over two years. Although I think Choudhury might be called up in an emergency, he isn't a first team regular, and has been playing (or not, was on the bench the last game) with the U23's.

 

However, you are mistaken about UEFA's B-list (the U21's) It works differently than in the Premier League. You can't be put on the B-list (the U21 list) unless you have been with the club for 2 years, which is why Gray has to be on the A-list (The registered 25-man squad, or in our case, 23-man squad). Our number one U21 goalkeeper is Iverson, who hasn't been at the club for two-years, so he would have to go on the A-list, too. Our backup GK on the un23 team is 17, I think. My guess is we will just have 2 GK's for Champions League (a lot of clubs do this).

 

So, 23 possible A-list, + Chilwell is a 24 man squad. And sure, Choudhury and the Admiral, and the other U21's who have been developed by LCFC are there in case, but they aren't really members of the first team, yet.

I'm in no position to debunk your apparent knowledge on this matter as I'm no expert myself but how I described the UEFA rules is definitely how it has been in the past and I can say that with certainty. If what you say is true then UEFA must have altered their squad registration rules recently.

[Les-TA-Jon]

Absolutely need another striker 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

31 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

I'm in no position to debunk your apparent knowledge on this matter as I'm no expert myself but how I described the UEFA rules is definitely how it has been in the past and I can say that with certainty. If what you say is true then UEFA must have altered their squad registration rules recently.

In truth, I only discovered this recently...another poster mentioned that Gray couldn't be put on the U21 for UEFA competition (he is for Premier League purposes). So I looked it up, thinking the guy is wrong. But I was.

 

This was published last year (I don't think they have updated the page since them, hence 1994, not 1995.

 

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2277105.html

 

"A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1994 and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.

Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than midnight CET on the day before the match in question."

 

The only first-team LCFC person who qualifies is Chilwell. There are a couple people on our U23 team who are disqualifed by this: Iverson and Uche come to immediate mind. Speaking of Uche: Where the heck is he? Did he injure himself, or something?

[Babylon]

30 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Absolutely need another striker 

Buying another striker would quite likely leave Ulloa and Okazaki not even making the bench every week.

[Guest]

All this talk about 22,23,25 man squads for the CL is bunkum!

 

We're going to play 16 players at most in the CL. The rest will just be watchers so it really doesn't matter.

[4everfox]

11 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

In truth, I only discovered this recently...another poster mentioned that Gray couldn't be put on the U21 for UEFA competition (he is for Premier League purposes). So I looked it up, thinking the guy is wrong. But I was.

 

This was published last year (I don't think they have updated the page since them, hence 1994, not 1995.

 

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2277105.html

 

"A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1994 and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been registered with the participating club for the previous two years without interruption.

Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than midnight CET on the day before the match in question."

 

The only first-team LCFC person who qualifies is Chilwell. There are a couple people on our U23 team who are disqualifed by this: Iverson and Uche come to immediate mind. Speaking of Uche: Where the heck is he? Did he injure himself, or something?

I reckon Uche was signed primarily as a member of the development squad, I wouldn't bank on us seeing him play for the first team for a year or two yet.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

Just now, 4everfox said:

I reckon Uche was signed primarily as a member of the development squad, I wouldn't bank on us seeing him play for the first team for a year or two yet.

Yes. But he hasn't been playing for the U23's. They have had three friendlies so far. Maybe he will be playing tonight?

[4everfox]

Just now, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

Yes. But he hasn't been playing for the U23's. They have had three friendlies so far. Maybe he will be playing tonight?

I'd imagine he is in a transition period of getting accustomed to British culture which could maybe affect his on field performance, I'm just speculating. He will get his chance eventually I'm sure.