Bluearmyfox28 Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 16 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I think if we want to replicate last season, or be near to doing so, we gotta sort the midfield out. We need a playmaker. We don't really look to have one
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 One of Juan Mata, Luan or Hakim Ziyech would do nicely. Massive shame we missed out on Ben Afra.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 3 minutes ago, Monk said: Mata The problem with signing a player like Mata (don't get me wrong, he's a good player) is having to sacrifice a more defensive minded player to accommodate him. With Mata playing say, one side, and Mahrez on the other, we'd have to play three in the middle to tighten up the central area and enable them to play. Id like to see us sign William Carvalho, to sit just behind Drinks and Mendy with Mahrez right, Mata left and Vardy up top. That would work, especially away from home..it'd be a 4-5-1 type formation with the solidity coming from the three central men and the flair from the two wide men, both of whom could cut inside. We'd play on the floor with low balls being slipped into Vards to run onto. Both William and Mata would be available for the right money.
TheSomersetFox Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 8 minutes ago, Col city fan said: The problem with signing a player like Mata (don't get me wrong, he's a good player) is having to sacrifice a more defensive minded player to accommodate him. With Mata playing say, one side, and Mahrez on the other, we'd have to play three in the middle to tighten up the central area and enable them to play. Id like to see us sign William Carvalho, to sit just behind Drinks and Mendy with Mahrez right, Mata left and Vardy up top. That would work, especially away from home..it'd be a 4-5-1 type formation with the solidity coming from the three central men and the flair from the two wide men, both of whom could cut inside. We'd play on the floor with low balls being slipped into Vards to run onto. Both William and Mata would be available for the right money. Mata is most likely earning far more than our highest earner. Not really the right money
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 19 minutes ago, Goober said: Mata is most likely earning far more than our highest earner. Not really the right money Not this again...I'm far from wanting to spend above our means, but what is 'the right money? We're the Champions of England, playing in the most lucrative competitions on the planet and have attained global recognition. IF the club identity the likes of Mata as the player to kick us on, then get him and pay the man. I wouldn't have done an Ibrahimovic...Man Utd are probably paying him what 300k per week maybe? But Mata is surely achievable? He's not gonna feature too much for Utd I don't think. We are now big time.,we need to start thinking and acting big time. Or should I say, more than we have been.
AKCJ Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 35 minutes ago, Col city fan said: The problem with signing a player like Mata (don't get me wrong, he's a good player) is having to sacrifice a more defensive minded player to accommodate him. With Mata playing say, one side, and Mahrez on the other, we'd have to play three in the middle to tighten up the central area and enable them to play. Id like to see us sign William Carvalho, to sit just behind Drinks and Mendy with Mahrez right, Mata left and Vardy up top. That would work, especially away from home..it'd be a 4-5-1 type formation with the solidity coming from the three central men and the flair from the two wide men, both of whom could cut inside. We'd play on the floor with low balls being slipped into Vards to run onto. Both William and Mata would be available for the right money. I don't particularly like agreeing with you () but William Carvalho would be an unreal signing and a real statement. £20m would get him and I really think we should do it. Shame we missed the boat on Wanyama at 12m but I think he chose to work with Pochettino.
TheSomersetFox Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 10 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Not this again...I'm far from wanting to spend above our means, but what is 'the right money? We're the Champions of England, playing in the most lucrative competitions on the planet and have attained global recognition. IF the club identity the likes of Mata as the player to kick us on, then get him and pay the man. I wouldn't have done an Ibrahimovic...Man Utd are probably paying him what 300k per week maybe? But Mata is surely achievable? He's not gonna feature too much for Utd I don't think. We are now big time.,we need to start thinking and acting big time. Or should I say, more than we have been. So you'd bring him in and make him the highest earner? What do you think that would do to the team morale? Would Vardy, Riyad etc then go on to ask for the same/more money that Mata would be on? He's allegedly on £140k as it is and i doubt he'd come to Leicester for a drop in his wages.
dmayne7 Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 Desperately need a new right back. Simpson has been looking seriously dodgy in pre-season
Innovindil Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 Slimani carvahlo and a rb. We have the money, spend it. Let ulloa leave to get his first team footy, send James out on loan as he'll get no time with us whatsoever.
Ric Flair Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 We need two new defenders, possibly a new central midfielder and I'd like an upgrade on Ulloa but not the end of the world of we didn't get another striker. Our defence needs rectifying as I've a horrid feeling Morgan and Huth will struggle a bit this season and we need to ease the burden.
SecretPro Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 Need a back-up RB, especially if Simpson keeps having a mare. Also need a TOP QUALITY CM.
ithuriel Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 We have the forwards and the defence is not too bad but another midfield option would be nice and if we can get one more quality centre half it would be nice.
bpfox Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 after watching the game against man u, if we dont get a ball playing midfielder and a fleet footed center half we our in big trouble, we need to get more time with ball, in the champions cup we get killed if we dont even up the possession stakes. our denfence today looked all over the place, we looked and acted slow. mahraz was terrible i dont think he beat one player, looked like a player who did not want to be there. musa must start and another target forward would not go astray. really think the gaffa has been caught short trying to keep the team happy and forsaking what we need is more talent, we have signed to many young kids we need hard heads as well.
Spence Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 against PSG, Barca and Utd to an extent our back four has looked out of place when trying to defend against really top quality strikers. On the other hand, last season they done brilliantly. Pre-season is a really hard one to tell how our season will fold out. imo we need a top quality CB because in the champions league we will be completely found out otherwise. Happy with the midfield, think Mendy will turn out to be a great signing; Musa looks great but Ulloa will get battered against high quality CB's in the champions league so could do with a replacement. no more signings won't be the end of the world but if we want top 6 this season i think we could do with 1 or 2 big signings.
Guest Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 What we need to compete in the CL is not what we need to compete in the PL. I'm happy with contending in the PL and just enoying the experience of the CL this season.
Ted Maul Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 A RB at Fuchs' sort of level and a top CM and I'd be very happy. Simpson looks shaky at the moment, I have a feeling he'll be more exposed as our weak link this season. Plus neither Hernandez or Amartey look like RBs to me. I know it's only pre-season, but we do look like we're missing a bit of bite in the midfield without Kante. Hopefully Mendy will step up, but I'd feel a lot better about our chances if we signed a world class CM. Easier said than done, I know, but we have the money, pot 1 of the Champions League and our profile will never be higher than it is now.
steflcfc Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 I'm suprised we never went in for the Villa midfielder Gueye,who has now gone to Everton and a similar game to Kante who we have lost. King/Drinky/Mendy don't really play the DM role and we need this position sorted as our defence need that cover which Kante provided. I feel we are covered on the wing with Mahrez/Gray/Albrighton and the new polish lad. Strikers we are slightly weak, Okazaki and Ulloa arnt 15-20 goal strikers, yes they bring other attributes to the team but strikers are there to score goals first and foremost. and Musa is untested in the PL. We need someone to help carry a threat if Vardy and Mahrez are not firing. Defoe is a poacher and could be a decent shout with bags of experience and knows where the net is.
Mezeker Posted 8 August 2016 Author Posted 8 August 2016 1 hour ago, steflcfc said: I'm suprised we never went in for the Villa midfielder Gueye,who has now gone to Everton and a similar game to Kante who we have lost. King/Drinky/Mendy don't really play the DM role and we need this position sorted as our defence need that cover which Kante provided. I feel we are covered on the wing with Mahrez/Gray/Albrighton and the new polish lad. Strikers we are slightly weak, Okazaki and Ulloa arnt 15-20 goal strikers, yes they bring other attributes to the team but strikers are there to score goals first and foremost. and Musa is untested in the PL. We need someone to help carry a threat if Vardy and Mahrez are not firing. Defoe is a poacher and could be a decent shout with bags of experience and knows where the net is. Gueye is a different player to Kante; many people look at their defensive stats and just assume they are the same player without watching them both. Kante had the ability to beat multiple players then lay off a through ball to Vardy, Mahrez....Shit just seems disconnected with his departure. Morgan and Huth were never ball playing central defenders making Kante so imperative for the transition between defense and attack. I feel like an old record because i have said this time after time but replacing Kante is replacing 2 positions.
steflcfc Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 1 hour ago, Mezeker said: Gueye is a different player to Kante; many people look at their defensive stats and just assume they are the same player without watching them both. Kante had the ability to beat multiple players then lay off a through ball to Vardy, Mahrez....Shit just seems disconnected with his departure. Morgan and Huth were never ball playing central defenders making Kante so imperative for the transition between defense and attack. I feel like an old record because i have said this time after time but replacing Kante is replacing 2 positions. True in the aspect of Kante had more to his game than Gueye, in an attacking threat to find passes and make attacking runs, and the fact his work-rate was like having an extra player. But purely on the DM side of the game Gueye would have gave the CM more steel and took pressure off the CB's like Kante did so well, maybe his attacking side of the game may get better with time. Not that I'm a massive stat analyser, I think he was the closest in some aspects to his game to Kante and at 7m at a very decent price and worth the gamble He was one to shine in a very poor Villa side. Giving Gueye the defensive aspects to concentrate on between defence and midfield, would allow Drinky to play his natural game making the MF a bit more of a balance, that at times as much as we have only seen friendlies and the match at Wembley still looks massive shoes to fill, King isn't the answer, which puts too much of an onus for Drinky to be on top of both sides of his game.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 8 hours ago, Goober said: So you'd bring him in and make him the highest earner? What do you think that would do to the team morale? Would Vardy, Riyad etc then go on to ask for the same/more money that Mata would be on? He's allegedly on £140k as it is and i doubt he'd come to Leicester for a drop in his wages. Yes, I think we probably have to now don't we? We've got all the Champs league games to come too. Football is its own, mad, world....it doesn't conform to normal economics. Having recouped nearly all of what we've spent (if not all), on the sale of Kante, we have money to spend. If that be on transfer fees, wage increases, or both, then so be it. I'm one of the biggest critics of football becoming so far removed from the 'common man' that it's obscene. The Chinese Super League, for instance, is quite disgusting in this respect. BUT it is what is it. None of us look like stopping it. Man Utd are on the verge of signing the first ever 100 mill player. So to compete, we must up the ante.
steflcfc Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 2 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Yes, I think we probably have to now don't we? We've got all the Champs league games to come too. Football is its own, mad, world....it doesn't conform to normal economics. Having recouped nearly all of what we've spent (if not all), on the sale of Kante, we have money to spend. If that be on transfer fees, wage increases, or both, then so be it. I'm one of the biggest critics of football becoming so far removed from the 'common man' that it's obscene. The Chinese Super League, for instance, is quite disgusting in this respect. BUT it is what is it. None of us look like stopping it. Man Utd are on the verge of signing the first ever 100 mill player. So to compete, we must up the ante. Your right in needing to up the ante if we do want to break the top 4/6 from now on and show it wasn't a 1 off. ££ regarding what we may have to pay for potential new signings or wages are now being taken to the next bracket. The money in football being thrown about is scary but like you say, sad as it is, a sign of the times. paying the top wages will be unfortunately be what sets us aside from the mid table to bottom sides in the Premiership. to compete with the Man U,s etc we have to match within reason what they are paying to attract the bigger names, By offering the bigger wages shows we mean business and want to continue at the level we find ourselves at this season, we need to use being years CL to our advantage so should attract some of the top names for this reason alone. If we don't do it now we will miss a trick in our bargaining as we may not have CL football next season so need to squeeze everything out of this opportunity we can.
lgfualol Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 Starting to really doubt we'll win 2 or 3 trophies next season without more signings.
fuchsntf Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 5 hours ago, FIF said: Whateed to L is not what we need to compete in the PL. I'm happy with contending in the PL and just enoying the experience of the CL this season. Might not be a bad way of thinking... Consolidate PL high position, try harder in our cup competitions. CL, learn from what Man.city havent done in their 4yrs of CL, and like you said enjoy the CL experience, with no above Avg .expectations or hopes..WHY AGING defence, that wont be cutting it, at CB level across all competitions. I believe Hernandez would be OK, even Armatey could well prove himself Mind you our Band of Brothers, could well suprise us yet again.... Just to remind a few, W.Morgan has been playing over 2 seasons without a decent long term break. Its going to show itself sometime..
Carl the Llama Posted 8 August 2016 Posted 8 August 2016 1 hour ago, steflcfc said: True in the aspect of Kante had more to his game than Gueye, in an attacking threat to find passes and make attacking runs, and the fact his work-rate was like having an extra player. But purely on the DM side of the game Gueye would have gave the CM more steel and took pressure off the CB's like Kante did so well, maybe his attacking side of the game may get better with time. Not that I'm a massive stat analyser, I think he was the closest in some aspects to his game to Kante and at 7m at a very decent price and worth the gamble He was one to shine in a very poor Villa side. Giving Gueye the defensive aspects to concentrate on between defence and midfield, would allow Drinky to play his natural game making the MF a bit more of a balance, that at times as much as we have only seen friendlies and the match at Wembley still looks massive shoes to fill, King isn't the answer, which puts too much of an onus for Drinky to be on top of both sides of his game. We didn't go for Gueye probably because, unlike N'golo, he has a knack for giving away free kicks and picking up bookings both of which put the team under unnecessary extra pressure in a match situation. That's the caveat to his remarkably similar tackles/interceptions stats.
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