Rincewind Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 A non-white female transvestite midget with tattoos has no chance of ever being employed then
Wymsey Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 If I wanted to employ someone for my factory, I wouldn't think about tattoo as a problem as you usually see people in these settings to have some. But wouldn't employ someone with them for positions such as funeral services, accountancy, as a salesperson for a medical company or other rather respected jobs. Edit: Following on regarding employing a transgender person, as long as they're capable of doing the job and other staff are comfortable with working alongside them it would be no problem either.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 21 September 2016 Author Posted 21 September 2016 2 minutes ago, Rincewind said: A non-white female transvestite midget with tattoos has no chance of ever being employed then That's just what we've been looking for. Do you know one and when can they start?
Guest seanfox778 Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 Unless someone has one of those all over the face ones like the earlier picture, I don't think it should be an issue. Offensive words or pictures are obvious ones to perhaps miss out on a job but if someone chooses to get some on their neck, hands or whatever I don't see an issue because what someone chooses to do to their body shouldn't really affect their job prospects. I'm not in the hiring and firing department so luckily not a situation I have to deal with
Captain... Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 17 minutes ago, Rincewind said: Imagine giving someone a telephone interview. The first question you ask is not going to be 'Do you have a tattoo?' In fact I doubt that any question would be that. The questions would be related to the persons qualification, their ability to sell themselves and their way they act. Will the employer on the person's on their first day as they walk through the day 'sorry i made a mistake you can't have the job because of your tattoo?' That would be the same as in the past when in the same situation a non-white person turned up after a telephone or being accepted via a written application.. People are generalising over what a person is like because they like body artwork. I personally do not but I would no judge those that do. There is someone that works at the Kings Head that has tattoos and he is one of the most helpful and decent people I know. I would rather have him as a friend than a person who looks down on others because they are different. If they are interviewing for a client/customer facing job then they will ask that question. I'm pretty sure airlines stipulate that you have no visible tattoos and can fire you if you break that condition. The morality of it is questionable, but in the same way they can insist you where the correct and appropriate clothes they can insist on the correct accessories. It has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality, skin colour, gender or anything else that you are born with or have acquired through no fault of your own, such as a skin condtion or scar. It is a clear choice to get a tattoo in a visible place and it has consequences, these are known by anyone except the most dense. I don't want to employ the most dense.
Rincewind Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 tattoos are not contagious. Believe me I am trying to see it different but the question was should tattoos be a barrier for employment? And I have not seen a valid reason why it should be. There used to be a time when a female went for a job as a lawyer and the employer would say, 'Sorry love I have got to think of my clients, this has been an all male firm for over 100 years and they would not like their affairs handled by a woman.'
Captain... Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 11 minutes ago, seanfox778 said: Unless someone has one of those all over the face ones like the earlier picture, I don't think it should be an issue. Offensive words or pictures are obvious ones to perhaps miss out on a job but if someone chooses to get some on their neck, hands or whatever I don't see an issue because what someone chooses to do to their body shouldn't really affect their job prospects. I'm not in the hiring and firing department so luckily not a situation I have to deal with Depends on the job and who they will be coming into contact with. If you are selling cool young people things to cool young people, then it doesn't matter. If you are selling luxury goods to elderly upper middle class people then appearance is important. If you have a wide cross section of customers in a service industry then you need to make sure that you are not employing people that make anyone else feel uncomfortable. Particularly if you are transporting people from different countries and cultures. Tattoos have very different meanings in other cultures. Japan for example has some rules around tattoos as they are a symbol of Yakuza gang membership for example you can be prohibited from entering hot springs if you have tattoos. You have to consider your client base and target markets.
Captain... Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 7 minutes ago, Rincewind said: tattoos are not contagious. Believe me I am trying to see it different but the question was should tattoos be a barrier for employment? And I have not seen a valid reason why it should be. There used to be a time when a female went for a job as a lawyer and the employer would say, 'Sorry love I have got to think of my clients, this has been an all male firm for over 100 years and they would not like their affairs handled by a woman.' Did she choose to be female?
m4DD0gg Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 The simple truth is if you ever want an exec or professional job having visible tattoos will go against you, especially if customer facing
yorkie1999 Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 If someone's prepared to cover their skin with urban graffiti and pictures of bulldogs smoking a cigar, imagine what they'd do in the bogs with a black marker pen!
Wymsey Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 1 minute ago, m4DD0gg said: The simple truth is if you ever want an exec or professional job having visible tattoos will go against you, especially if customer facing
foxile5 Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 People are taking the humanist line here, saying 'oh but people SHOULDN'T discriminate'. The salient fact is that people DO discriminate and we know this to be true. To get a tattoo KNOWING this fact reeks of foolishness, and isn't proactive in getting a job.
foxy boxing Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 depends on the job and where on the body the tatoos are, if your hosting the news on tv and have a full face tatooo it just would't look good or if you are a receptionist or the face of the company you work for.or in the service industry
Bellend Sebastian Posted 21 September 2016 Author Posted 21 September 2016 31 minutes ago, foxile5 said: People are taking the humanist line here, saying 'oh but people SHOULDN'T discriminate'. The salient fact is that people DO discriminate and we know this to be true. To get a tattoo KNOWING this fact reeks of foolishness, and isn't proactive in getting a job. I think some people just don't like to accept the fact that they don't always have total control of their own destiny and sometimes other folk (i.e. employers, in this case) hold the aces. I'm always reminded in cases like these of the fuss and palaver that overconfident young men cause when they're not allowed into the Highcross bare-chested
foxile5 Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 3 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said: I think some people just don't like to accept the fact that they don't always have total control of their own destiny and sometimes other folk (i.e. employers, in this case) hold the aces. I'm always reminded in cases like these of the fuss and palaver that overconfident young men cause when they're not allowed into the Highcross bare-chested I know what you mean. It was always my ambition to work in the education sector, and I've always fancied a tattoo. Foresight being a useful skill, I've gotten mine under the 'shirt line'. Just don't allow someone else a reason. It's an odd attitude to have. 'Why did you tattoo your face?' is not a question that has an easy answer.
yorkie1999 Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 18 minutes ago, foxile5 said: I know what you mean. It was always my ambition to work in the education sector, and I've always fancied a tattoo. Foresight being a useful skill, I've gotten mine under the 'shirt line'. Just don't allow someone else a reason. It's an odd attitude to have. 'Why did you tattoo your face?' is not a question that has an easy answer. Apart from. "cos i'm a cvnt"
Babylon Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 21 minutes ago, foxile5 said: 'Why did you tattoo your face?' is not a question that has an easy answer. "Because I prefer a life on benefits".
Kitchandro Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 There are tattoos and then there's your face and neck being covered in tattoos. Huge difference in my eyes. The former is very common these days and the latter is just plain scary.
Strokes Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 I might get some teardrops on my face, its a good look.
Buce Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 I must hold up my hands and confess to being a hypocrite. I wouldn't have a problem employing someone with visible tattoos, so long as they fitted the job in other ways. But if my daughter brings home someone with his neck/face/hands tattooed, and introduces him as her boyfriend....... well, that ain't happening.
Buce Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 1 hour ago, Strokes said: I might get some teardrops on my face, its a good look. Isn't it supposed to indicate that you've killed someone?
Strokes Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 3 minutes ago, Buce said: Isn't it supposed to indicate that you've killed someone? My face isnt long enough for that blood.
Buce Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 2 minutes ago, Strokes said: My face isnt long enough for that blood.
sphericalfox Posted 21 September 2016 Posted 21 September 2016 5 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: If I wanted to employ someone for my factory, I wouldn't think about tattoo as a problem as you usually see people in these settings to have some. But wouldn't employ someone with them for positions such as funeral services, accountancy, as a salesperson for a medical company or other rather respected jobs. Edit: Following on regarding employing a transgender person, as long as they're capable of doing the job and other staff are comfortable with working alongside them it would be no problem either. What ya making?
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