Babylon Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 12 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Again (how many times?) look at the win rate (in fact the stats generally) when he's in the side. Tells you all you need to know. His job isn't just to score goals (I know he's a striker) but to enable us to play a certain way. At fear of retribution...we massively miss Kante AND Shinji in the side. They just enabled us to play a certain way. Amartey doesn't get forward with the pace Kante did and Slim (whilst clearly a goal scorer...) isn't quick like Vardy or scurrying like Shinji. By playing both Vardy and Slim, (and certainly Amartey) we've lost the pressing high in the opponents half thing. Amartey sits very deep cos that's what he's used to...he's not a box to box midfielder, he's a DM. Makes a big difference in a 442 as does not playing Shinji. When people are wearing their blue tints, they'll say 'our points return ain't bad, it's what we expected' etc etc. Personally I think it's crap. Last season we would have just beaten Southampton, with no issues....this season, it looks like we very nearly lost. We drew with them away after being 2-0 down and scraped to a boring 1-0 win at home thanks to a rare Morgan goal and weren't very good in that game either. Hardly no issues eh.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 21 minutes ago, Babylon said: We drew with them away after being 2-0 down and scraped to a boring 1-0 win at home thanks to a rare Morgan goal and weren't very good in that game either. Hardly no issues eh. Which of course misses everything else I've said. We DID beat them at home and we DO look a very different animal this season so far. In the league at least. Don't pick on just on one part of a post to make a point. You yourself said we looked dross yesterday. I've tried to say why I think it is.
foxy boxing Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 should definitely start okazaki with his workrate and enthusiasm to tire out defenders and to link up the midfield and attack and get things moving forward, we can't just keep playing the long ball up to vardy and slimani because nine times out of ten it will not work. we need more options and he is one of themmaybe in a role just of the main striker but can also drop into midfield
Babylon Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 22 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Which of course misses everything else I've said. We DID beat them at home and we DO look a very different animal this season so far. In the league at least. Don't pick on just on one part of a post to make a point. You yourself said we looked dross yesterday. I've tried to say why I think it is. I'll pick on whatever I want to pick on. My post doesn't miss the point that I wanted to pick you up on, to suggest we beat them with no issues last year totally ignores what actually happened in the two games against them. Neither game was easy and we scraped a win at home, we were crap in that game as well. If Vardy had tucked the ball away one on one, would be just ignore what actually happened in the game because we won?
lgfualol Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Win rate with Shinji is helped by the fact everyone was giving 100% every game. Not so much lately in the league. I'd still play him with Slimani to see how that goes.
Durnerz Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Okazaki's game suits our overall play much better, at the moment theres no link between the midfield and front two. With Okazaki dropping deep he brings others into play whereas Vardy's always going to look for the ball over the top which defences have become wise to by sitting deeper.
Spudulike Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Shinji's time will come (again) but I wouldn't have him in the starting line-up at Chelsea given the condition that he normally returns in after international duty.
Foxxed Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Since Ulloa and Slim are each other's replacement, I wouldn't mind Shinji for Vardy at half time at times when Vardy looks like he's knackered. Or even starting the odd occasion. I'd rather see Shinji tirelessly attacking the ball than a tired Vardy.
Koke Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Okazaki works hard but with very little quality. Look at Vardy, Tevez, Ander Herrera etc they work hard but add real quality with it in terms of passing, assists and goals. Okazaki offers none of that. He can barely stand on his feet half the time. I would not start him away at Chelsea. I'd much rather change the formation and play 3 CMs.
Detroit Blues Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 38 minutes ago, Spudulike said: Shinji's time will come (again) but I wouldn't have him in the starting line-up at Chelsea given the condition that he normally returns in after international duty. This is very true for the near future. He has an away game in Australia, so I think that will likely rule him out against Chelsea. What i'd like to see right now is: Premier league - Start Vardy and Okazaki, bring on Slimani off the bench after Okazaki's usual 60 minutes are up Champions league - Start Slimani and Vardy together. Musa can be Vardy's direct sub to keep him fresh, and if he outplays him, you can consider making that change to the starting XI. Vardy can't be complacent, because if he's not producing, there's other strikers who can. I'm less worried about the striker situation than I am about our midfield because we have plenty of talented options. The bigger question for me is, do we need to make the change to the 4-3-3? Through 7 games of the season, the 4-4-2 is looking questionable. Ranieri has made vague references to a "plan b," but i'm not sure what that would be.
NewEnglandFox Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Shinji has started 4 times post international break and three of those times he's been subbed off at the half with us trailing. Villa at Home (0-1 at the half), Saints away ( 0-2 at the half), Liverpool away (1-2 at the half) We game we won was Southampton at home in which he made it 64' with a 1-0 lead and didn't start Newcastle away. I'm not excited about a player that we know we're probably going to have to sub off at the half.
Chico1958 Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 23 hours ago · Report post Shinji Okazaki is a Japanese footballer who plays for Leicester City, and for the Japan national football team as a forward. At club level, Okazaki is the most prolific Japanese player in Bundesliga history. Internationally, he is currently the top active Japan national team goalscorer and third all-time in team history with 49 goals. He won the Premier League with Leicester in 2016. This guy works his nuts off for the team, yes he don't score enough but is that him or our style. This year he's not getting a look in Sorry to do this again...............................But he cares and that makes me love the guy Even when he falls over
the fox Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 21 hours ago, foxtillidrop said: I agree we need Shinji. We miss this kind of link up... the fact that mahrez is not utilized properly is sad. You can see in that vine the things that you need to do to make him fire on all cylinders. Just make the team play to his strength. Don't hoof the ball to him or let the other team gang up on him. Just give him the ball and give him space. He is now a 1\4 of the player that he can be. It is just sad that the team can't utilize the best player to make the best out of him and the team
lgfualol Posted 3 October 2016 Posted 3 October 2016 2 hours ago, NewEnglandFox said: Shinji has started 4 times post international break and three of those times he's been subbed off at the half with us trailing. Villa at Home (0-1 at the half), Saints away ( 0-2 at the half), Liverpool away (1-2 at the half) We game we won was Southampton at home in which he made it 64' with a 1-0 lead and didn't start Newcastle away. I'm not excited about a player that we know we're probably going to have to sub off at the half. Good point. Hopefully we wont play 2 strikers anyway and just try not to concede 4 again.
Koke Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 9 hours ago, the fox said: the fact that mahrez is not utilized properly is sad. You can see in that vine the things that you need to do to make him fire on all cylinders. Just make the team play to his strength. Don't hoof the ball to him or let the other team gang up on him. Just give him the ball and give him space. He is now a 1\4 of the player that he can be. It is just sad that the team can't utilize the best player to make the best out of him and the team So true. Look at the other outstanding wingers/CAM in the league, KDB, Hazard, Sterling, Sanchez etc, they play in a 4231 with little defensive duties but Mahrez plays in a 442 and he spends half his time defending in his own half. I know we can't build the team around one player but I wish we could utilise Mahrez a lot better. I feel in a 433 or 4231 he'd be a lot more effective. I know he scored 17 goals in a 442 last season so I guess that nullifies point entirely.
Ted Maul Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 Okazaki & Slimani for me. We looked infinitely better when he came on & started linking the midfield to attack. If Vardy's not going to run the channels or try to get beyond the last man, our counter-attacking game will not work. I would play these two up front, and try to implement more of a high pressing game- at the moment we just look bereft of energy, and any team with anything about them is just waltzing through our midfield & defence with all the time they need
Fox92 Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 Agree but for me not in a two. Go to Chelsea with Okazaki behind Slimani/Vardy. Not just his workrate and closing down, it's his link up play and ability to drop deep that's key for me. Doesn't matter though because no doubt we'll go to Chelsea with the same 442.
foxes21 Posted 4 October 2016 Author Posted 4 October 2016 To be honest, even last season Vardy didn't press that much, Shinji did most the work. Vardy's more focused on positioning and finding the space. But teams are giving us no space, so Vardy's role in the team is pretty useless. Right now we need 2013/2014 Vardy, harassing defenders, running all over the place. I don't know whether he's got the fitness for that anymore though.
daddylonglegs Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 16 hours ago, Foxxed said: Since Ulloa and Slim are each other's replacement, I wouldn't mind Shinji for Vardy at half time at times when Vardy looks like he can't be arsed. Or even starting the odd occasion. I'd rather see Shinji tirelessly attacking the ball than a tired Vardy. Corrected that for you
foxy boxing Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 shinji's workrate and willingness for the team is top notch it is the final product i have a problem with, he is just not efficient enough for us in the box and rarely finishes a move of from us with a goal. he is a fan favourite because he always plays with a smile on his face and works tirelessly for the team but his job is to score goals and if he isn't doing that then the rest of his work just feels and looks tiresome. he needs to become more clinical and a bit more aggressive on the pitch other than that i love the guy
the fox Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 6 hours ago, Koke said: So true. Look at the other outstanding wingers/CAM in the league, KDB, Hazard, Sterling, Sanchez etc, they play in a 4231 with little defensive duties but Mahrez plays in a 442 and he spends half his time defending in his own half. I know we can't build the team around one player but I wish we could utilise Mahrez a lot better. I feel in a 433 or 4231 he'd be a lot more effective. I know he scored 17 goals in a 442 last season so I guess that nullifies point entirely. Not really. Mahrez had a crazy conversion ratio ( I remember that he scored 15 goals last season from just 33 shots. That is about 45℅. The elites like messi and Rinaldo are like 15-20℅ max) but this season mahrez only has 1 goal from alot more then 10 shots (and is is a pen) . mahrez can't work in a team that is always demanding him to defend. Or with a CM that can not pick the ball and carry it to him. He is handicapped right now. What a waste of talent he is. He can be a megastar like bale and kdb but he is not gonna do that with 442
erlee Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 i don't know if shinji should start..but i reckon Albrighton needs a rest
crazyleicester Posted 4 October 2016 Posted 4 October 2016 Not for me. He has got great energy and enthusiasm but unfortunately his end product is poor. He cant hold the ball up and doesnt make Vardy runs to stretch things. As some have touched on Slimani is a different type of player to Oka but he also chases down defenders (more than Vardy at the moment) as is an obvious goal threat. He also gives us an aerial edge. For those willing to drop Vardy for him Id say hold your horses!!! He has showed glimpses of last seasons form and needs confidence. He needs to work harder though and regain that sharpness and he wont do that sitting on the bench. Oka may plug some midfield holes and make us more difficult to penetrate but the reality is the likes of Mahrez, Albrighton and DD are not supplying the ammo they were last season. We cant single out Vardy because of this. DD is playing superbly but even his key passing hasnt been at the level. We are delaying passing and have been so inaccurate when we have the ball its unreal. Let the midfield sharpen up and supply more bullets and the results will come. Creatively we are down a level and the last couple of games we have tightened at the back as a unit so Oka plugging gaps in not neccasary. BTW ask any defender in England who they would prefer to face, Oka or Vardy and you know 99% dont want to face an inform enthusiastic Vardy. Oka is not a player that central defenders would fear that much IMO. He can be easily handled.
foxes21 Posted 7 October 2016 Author Posted 7 October 2016 So Okazaki has a trip to Australia on the 11th. We play Chelsea on the 15th, I guess that puts him out of contention. Hopefully he starts vs Copenhagen
the fox Posted 7 October 2016 Posted 7 October 2016 So. If we gonna play him as a ST/SF or SS just to fill the hole that is created because we don't have a box to box CM. Here is an idea. Hold on because this is gonna be so crazy it might even change the face of modern football..................Just Play A DAMN CAM instead. . . . i would be happy playing king there. He is not good on defense but he has composer and above average passing. I think he could do a decent job there
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