Manwell Pablo Posted 1 December 2016 Posted 1 December 2016 2 hours ago, foxy boxing said: clearly the airline is going to be negligible as the plane ran out of fuel and should never have been kept waiting to land. did the pilot inform the groundstaff that the plane was running out of fuel, if so they are culpable No as stated in the article, He had the option to refuel in Bogota and didn't take it for some bizarre reason. I, personally, think he should of been made to. Absolute waste of life. So avoidable.
deejdeej Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 So sad this is, am I right in thinking that planes are only carrying just enough fuel to get them to the desired location? Never really understood the point of that. I can be a cynical sod but all of the support from the football world really does warm the heart.
leicsmac Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 9 hours ago, deejdeej said: So sad this is, am I right in thinking that planes are only carrying just enough fuel to get them to the desired location? Never really understood the point of that. I can be a cynical sod but all of the support from the football world really does warm the heart. Not quite. According to ICAO regs, all commercial aircraft should carry: Taxi fuel. Trip fuel (to reach intended destination) Contingency fuel (higher of 5% of "trip fuel" or 5 minutes of holding flight). Destination alternate fuel (to fly a missed and reach an alternate). Final reserve fuel (45 minutes of holding flight for reciprocating engines, 30 minutes for jets). Additional fuel (if needed to guarantee ability to reach an alternate with an engine failure or at lower altitude due to a pressurization loss). Discretionary fuel (if the pilot in command wants it). So with all that in mind, you would think this kind of thing wouldn't be able to happen at all. Someone, somewhere, made a fatal miscalculation.
MC Prussian Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 46 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Not quite. According to ICAO regs, all commercial aircraft should carry: Taxi fuel. Trip fuel (to reach intended destination) Contingency fuel (higher of 5% of "trip fuel" or 5 minutes of holding flight). Destination alternate fuel (to fly a missed and reach an alternate). Final reserve fuel (45 minutes of holding flight for reciprocating engines, 30 minutes for jets). Additional fuel (if needed to guarantee ability to reach an alternate with an engine failure or at lower altitude due to a pressurization loss). Discretionary fuel (if the pilot in command wants it). So with all that in mind, you would think this kind of thing wouldn't be able to happen at all. Someone, somewhere, made a fatal miscalculation. The plane in question was not made for this kind of long-distance trip, its fuel capacity did not match the distance required. Also, this BAe 146 cannot be re-fueled during a flight.
stripeyfox Posted 9 December 2016 Posted 9 December 2016 On 02/12/2016 at 00:37, deejdeej said: So sad this is, am I right in thinking that planes are only carrying just enough fuel to get them to the desired location? Never really understood the point of that. I can be a cynical sod but all of the support from the football world really does warm the heart. They won't carry more than is "required" including the contingencies mentioned by MC Prussian. Additional fuel costs money and weighs more which in turn increases fuel consumption. However, that is not the case here. The aircraft could have been filled to the brim and might have JUST made it but this didn't allow for the continency of having to "hold" before arrival at the airport. It was a huge risk by the pilot (possibly to save money - who knows?) and the crash was the result of this recklessness.
Collymore Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 On 02/12/2016 at 10:30, MC Prussian said: The plane in question was not made for this kind of long-distance trip, its fuel capacity did not match the distance required. Also, this BAe 146 cannot be re-fueled during a flight. You mention "the plane couldn't be refuled during the flight" When has this ever been option to charter jets? I know the military do this but you mention it as it could have been an option! Surely it'd be much cheaper/quicker to refuel on the ground under normal circumstances and in an emergency.
StanSP Posted 4 January 2017 Posted 4 January 2017 Chapocoense to have 20 new players next season. Club reject opportunity to be exempt from relegation for next 3 seasons http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38503531
Beliall Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-38710231?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport Just played their first game since the crash. Video of the tribute in the link, worth watching. Here we are bemoaning our season, this puts that in perspective
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Just read the 3 surviving players accounts of the planet crash on sky sports app jeez, unreal, so sad bless them all moved me (and believe me I don't get moved by anything very often) so very sad
KingsX Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Both major US sports magazines featured this story in recent months. Worth the read: http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19444318/the-unthinkable-fate-chapecoense Young widows and babies left alone because pennies could be pinched. We are lucky to be living in the first world, but even then, need to take the lesson not to take our lives for granted.
leicsmac Posted 28 November 2017 Posted 28 November 2017 A year since this happened. Good article by Tim Vickery about what has happened to the club in the time since: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42137506
AjcW Posted 28 November 2017 Posted 28 November 2017 39 minutes ago, leicsmac said: A year since this happened. Good article by Tim Vickery about what has happened to the club in the time since: http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42137506 Looking at that photo, it's mad that we talk about survivors of that crash. Absolutely defies belief.
KingsX Posted 1 December 2017 Posted 1 December 2017 ESPN has been airing an E:60 documentary http://www.espnfc.com/club/chapecoense-af/9318/video/3141707/e60-setenta-sete-part-1 http://www.espnfc.com/club/chapecoense/9318/video/3141708/e60-setenta-sete-part-2 and this brief, more uplifing follow-up http://www.espnfc.com/international/55/video/3278308/the-return-of-chapecoenses-alan-ruschel
Brainy Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 They finished 8th this season, incredible really
stripeyfox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 They've done amazing but it is an absolute crime that this "accident" happenned. In fact, it was not an accident at all - pure negligence by the pilot who is in command of the aircraft and responsibile for every person on board.
CosbehFox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 7 hours ago, Walkers said: They finished 8th this season, incredible really Qualifying for the Copa Libertadories. Best season for them in their history domestically.
Soar Fox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 How did the end up getting another squad together? Did they have to buy players or did teams send players to them on loan??
MC Prussian Posted 27 March 2019 Posted 27 March 2019 One of the last few survivors of the plane crash dies of a heart attack: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47717378
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