inckley fox Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 11 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I don't want to get into a debate with you. It'll go over four pages. Where we differ is that I believe, as I have done all season, is that our midfield is EXACTLY at the heart of our problems. The rest of the body is ill too, I admit, but the beating heart of any football team is it's midfield. Ours needs a pacemaker. My posts are sometimes long, but I use them sparingly. Looking at our respective post counts, you've obviously not been short of a word or two yourself! And a lot of those posts have concerned Cambiasso not being good enough, Amartey not being good enough, Gray not being good enough, King not being good enough. Some of those views have been justifiable at times, but as a diagnosis of what's wrong right now I couldn't agree. That we have Amartey at CM instead of Kante is obviously a huge loss, but if we had Lennon or Savage at CM instead of Kante, that would also have been a huge loss. I think we need to accept that one of the best defensive midfielders anywhere isn't playing for us now, but that we still have a pretty decent defensive midfielder nonetheless, and it's time to look at all those other issues - Albrighton's distribution, the lack of cover at CB, poor acquisitions up front which don't seem to offer much, a very one-dimensional approach to formation - rather than crying about the fact that we don't have the best DCM in the world.
MattCan Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 Just reading that starting XI list, I knew we were doomed. How can anybody think that Amartey-King-Okazaki midfield is PL material? Defense and attack were also poor.
Tuna Posted 26 December 2016 Author Posted 26 December 2016 29 minutes ago, AKCJ said: People whinging about Slimani not doing anything and Gray being unfairly taken off. No striker has ever done well without service. We need creativity so, so desperately. Yes we do need creativity but I'm not sure CR realizes it.
AKCJ Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 1 minute ago, 49er said: Wish we had spent £7m on Gueye rather than a combined £25m or so for Ndidi and Mendey. Thought he played well today. Thought he was pretty poor. Amartey had a better game.
Tuna Posted 26 December 2016 Author Posted 26 December 2016 Worrying thing now is that we look like we are going to be cut adrift into a group of 4 or 5 at the bottom. 2 games, no wins against West Ham or The Boro and I'm struggling to see a way forward. I think CR could be sacked.
lgfualol Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: Thought he was pretty poor. Amartey had a better game. Me too. We were all over him. No where close to being as good as Kante.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 Just now, AKCJ said: I've not said that Slimani has played well today. But he's not going to knock it through the centre halves legs and stick it in the top corner. That just isn't his game. It's the same with Ulloa. We need a forward with a bit about himself, someone who can create a chance for himself. Unfortunately they're gold dust and they won't come to us. Slimani has taken the majority of the flack I've seen (I'm on my mobile and have only opened a couple of threads, I've not heard a single word against Gray Mahrez and Albrighton on the radio.) I understand that people expect more because he costs 30m but he's definitely a striker that needs someone to put the ball on his head and he just did not get it today. You're defending criticism of him though - and today a lot of that will stem from the fact he was perennially offside, had zero first touch and couldn't manage the ball whatsoever. It's all very well and good being a striker that thrives in the air, that's fair enough - but today he got basic footballing fundamentals wrong and should rightly be criticised. It doesn't make him a bad player. (For the record there's now also an Albrighton thread - again, they've taken just as much flack for today).
Riot Van Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: This will be fun. Name one thing Gray did that led to a good chance today. I get that he's fun, young and English but let's take the blinkers off for a bit. He's not played well today. He's in the side to create chances and he's just not done it today. I mean your using the point that he is primarily a goal scorer and therefore he's not expected to possess technical ability. There's championship strikers with more ability than this geezer. He challenges for **** all and doesn't attack the ball, he just waits for Mahrez, albrighton etc to put the ball onto his head. Yeah I'm sure he would score in a team full of quality who dominate the game but he's so limited. Its cute how you've converted your profile to him but how can you not see that Gray was better? At least he had a few shots and showed some drive, oh and maybe some evidence he can actually play football.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 7 minutes ago, Monsell1976 said: We were the best of two shit teams first half, and then the shite change of formation and shocking sub, and the league one standard of football first half, was replaced by Sunday league second half. What had the change of formation and the sub to do with that stupid first goal? Nothing at all!!!
AKCJ Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 1 minute ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: You're defending criticism of him though - and today a lot of that will stem from the fact he was perennially offside, had zero first touch and couldn't manage the ball whatsoever. It's all very well and good being a striker that thrives in the air, that's fair enough - but today he got basic footballing fundamentals wrong and should rightly be criticised. It doesn't make him a bad player. (For the record there's now also an Albrighton thread - again, they've taken just as much flack for today). I wasn't defending criticism of him, I was asking where the criticism was for the players whose job it is to provide him service. I haven't seen any but I'll take your word for it that there has been some.
filbertboy Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 9 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Not saying much though is it? Yeh he was good until we started losing and then began jogging around like he didn't care. Like he didn't care..........what game were you at ? He may not have set the world on fire today but to say he was jogging around like he didn't care is absolute garbage.
Anish Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 13 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I'm assuming you think that Amartey (our second best player today) had a shocker? Wind your neck in lad. The same Amartey that couldn't control the ball half the time, especially when it rolled under his foot for a throw in? He was not the second best Leicester player today, get a grip. What did he do in the second half?
Merging Cultures Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 He's tactically good He's not even that.
Monsell1976 Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 3 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said: What had the change of formation and the sub to do with that stupid first goal? Nothing at all!!! We lost any form of under standing with the change, we was shocking even before the poor defending.
AKCJ Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 3 minutes ago, Riot Van said: I mean your using the point that he is primarily a goal scorer and therefore he's not expected to possess technical ability. There's championship strikers with more ability than this geezer. He challenges for **** all and doesn't attack the ball, he just waits for Mahrez, albrighton etc to put the ball onto his head. Yeah I'm sure he would score in a team full of quality who dominate the game but he's so limited. Its cute how you've converted your profile to him but how can you not see that Gray was better? At least he had a few shots and showed some drive, oh and maybe some evidence he can actually play football. I'm not suggesting that whatsoever. I'm saying that we all know that his technical skills are not up to scratch. His job is to score goals but he does not have the skill to create himself a chance out of nothing. If he did then he'd be playing for Chelsea/Man City/ Arsenal etc. His job is to take chances when they arrive and they're not arriving. We've not created much all season. While we continue to give the opposition more chances than we create for ourselves then we'll continue to struggle. We need someone to come in quickly and address that.
49er Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 7 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Me too. We were all over him. No where close to being as good as Kante. Stats for the 2016/17, prior to today's games: Tackles - Gueye (82), Kante (53), Amartey (29) Interceptions - Gueye (36), Kante (46), Amartey (21)
AKCJ Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 3 minutes ago, Anish said: The same Amartey that couldn't control the ball half the time, especially when it rolled under his foot for a throw in? He was not the second best Leicester player today, get a grip. What did he do in the second half? He let the ball roll under his feet once in an entire game. The first half he completely dominated the game.
lgfualol Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 2 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said: He's not even that. Bet you thought that last season where his sub's changed games and won us the league then.
TonyN11 Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 56 minutes ago, NewEnglandFox said: Slimani. Full Highlights. Love it. Managed to keep his socks and shoes on though.
lgfualol Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 1 minute ago, 49er said: Stats for the 2016/17, prior to today's games: Tackles - Gueye (82), Kante (53), Amartey (29) Interceptions - Gueye (36), Kante (46), Amartey (21) Kante and Gueye play in 3 man midfield's though, they can run about a bit more.
49er Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 Just now, lgfualol said: Kante and Gueye play in 3 man midfield's though, they can run about a bit more. Not bad for someone who cost £7m
MattCan Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 13 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Albrighton was awful, Mahrez is a non trier atm, it was time he was dropped, and when he came on he was piss poor. Again, you look daft with your criticism of Ranieri signings citing Musa and Slimani. THESE WERE WALSH SIGNINGS FFS. Get your ****ing facts right Still shooting Mahrez? Gosh, he just played 20 mins. You can't forget him, can you? You got no excuses now. Where were your Gray, Okazaki, King and all your favored boys? The fact is: without Kante, Mahrez and Vardy, this team is doomed. It can't even survive the lower leagues.
HesNotGudjonsonn2 Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 Why Gray is went off with the way Albrighton was playing I have no idea. Also, I did think that as bad as we were Amartey was showing signs of developing well.
foxy boxing Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 We are just incapable of defending.we are so poor at the moment. The team is clearly imbalanced. Gray was our best player today and at least tries to do stuff.Slimani is just piss poor and if he isn't scoring goals then just looks worthless to the team. If he isn't getting the service then he needs to ask for it, scream for it. it looks like a heavy rebuilding job in the summer because the players Claudio has brought in have just not worked out.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 December 2016 Posted 26 December 2016 6 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Kante and Gueye play in 3 man midfield's though, they can run about a bit more. As I've said all season..you're in denial man! Look at the stats!
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