Everton post match 0-2

[MPH]

12 minutes ago, daz*dsb said:

Err... currently? 

 

Don't pretend you don't understand the context of my original post. 

 

Just because Ranieri knew what he was doing last season doesn't mean he has a clue what he's doing currently. I see nothing to suggest he does and judging by your answer, neither do you. This season and last season are now two very different animals and pretending they're not is just silly tbh. 

 

 

So you're saying he's had his mind and memory wiped?

 

 

to say he doesn't know what he's doing is purely reactionary and without foundation, in part because of last year...

 

now do the players know want he is wanting to do? Can he adapt his formation to the ever changing ways of the premier league? Is he set in his ways or is he flexible?

 

come at me with questions like that and you'd probably get more of a discussion 

[Struwwelpeter60]

6 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

There are multiple problems on multiple levels: Scouting, pre-season preparation, the adaptability of our tactics, the motivation of some players, the fitness of some players, the confidence of some players, the lack of quality of many of our expensive new acquisitions, the loss of Kante, the advancing years of one or two people, the increased awareness of other teams to our tactics. I wouldn't pin the problem down to any one thing. I also think it's hard to pin down any one, concrete solution.

Two years ago, the fans of Borussia Dortmund had a dismal Christmas. Their beloved BVB, the runner-up

of the previous season, was rock bottom. They couldn't believe, that a team with players like Hummels,

Aubameyang, Mkhitaryan , Gündogan, Reus and Kagawa was in the middle of a relegation battle.

But, according to Klopp (it was his last season at Dortmund), the recovery only started, after the team

had accepted the bitter truth. Being actually in the drop-zone was necessary to awaken the survival 

instincts of his players. When they finally realized, that sitting at the wrong end of the table was bad

for their market-value and their careers, they began to fight again and to run those extra yards, that

can be so important.

In the end, it was not a new tactic, a new formation or an arousing speech by the manager, that

got them back on track, but pure self-interest. Dortmund finished the season on seventh place.

And we all know, what happened to Klopp.

[justfoxes]

So Champs to Chumps in 4 months Kante left us so what 1 player does not make a team !

we have shown that we can play decent football especially 2nd half against Stoke,so why in Fooks sake do we Get jekyl and Hyde performances from our premier league champions ??

we have a squad of decent players yes you and I have said the likes of Huth and Morgan are a year older and off the pace of this seasons premier league Mahrez and Vardy seem to have lost their way is it the huge salaries they have been given to keep them at Leicester has the money stopped them from trying as much ??????

 

January's window is going to give us a benchmark of Premiership survival surely the owners haven't given Claudio an ultimatum of how far we can go in the Champions League at all costs and is that why there seems to be rumours of disharmony in the camp and that is why Claudio doesn't look his usual self on the touch line at times he looks so miserable and confused and not his happy go lucky usual self  !!

But whatever the fook it is please sort it out lads keep us in the Premier League at all costs pull together fight together do what you did last season fight as one pull together play the Leicester City way fearless foxes never quit etc etc etc they are playing now like hey we've won the big time we won't do it again we've got our big wages now time to coast it ( and I hope that's not the case )!!

were not asking for another premier league crown were asking you to play like Champions like you and we know how you can play !

We want you to play with Pride and passion week in week out Play like Champions play for us fans.

As for the Champions League it's great being in it but it's distracting us from our bread and butter the Premier League !!

We can Vent our frustrations our arguments hell even how we would play the game what team to put out ourselves and argue with each other but we will stay loyal with Leicester City forever managers and players will come and go we love our club and they do it for the wage where is the loyalty anymore ??

 

[Babylon]

Jesus,some people still moaning about Amartey.  Probably one of only two starters to come out of this game with a shred of credibility. 

 

Slimani and Albrighton should be shot at dawn for their performances today. A few others scraping through with just a good hiding.

 

If a manager can't get any performances from a team then eventually the manager comes into question. Today though, in all honesty it was more about the lack of technical ability of too many players. 

[David Hankey]

Leicester City could and should have easily today. Missed chances in the first half followed by a massive blunder from the £29M man cost us dearly.

 

Then to be deceived by a long punt upfield (typical route one goal) and the double substitution of taking off the wrong two players meant we ended up with nowt.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Leicester City could and should have easily today. Missed chances in the first half followed by a massive blunder from the £29M man cost us dearly.

 

Then to be deceived by a long punt upfield (typical route one goal) and the double substitution of taking off the wrong two players meant we ended up with nowt.

We did? 

 

and what was slim's blunder apart from not controlling most balls that came near him today? 

[FuchingKante]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Jesus,some people still moaning about Amartey.  Probably one of only two starters to come out of this game with a shred of credibility. 

 

Slimani and Albrighton should be shot at dawn for their performances today. A few others scraping through with just a good hiding.

 

If a manager can't get any performances from a team then eventually the manager comes into question. Today though, in all honesty it was more about the lack of technical ability of too many players. 

Agreed, him Chilwell and Gray were the three who I actually thought had decent-ish games today.

[adam]

Andy king was the problem in midfield today not amartey. Still not sure what he offers. Seems to have gone backwards a long way this season. 

[Guest Col city fan]

I think this is the problem. A few tackles won and the masses start claiming such and such ' had a good game'.

 

Which of our two centre mids had any real impact on the outcome of that game?

King or Amartey? Were either running the central midfield, at home, against a very average side today? Which of the two looked like scoring, assisting. Someone put up some stats earlier today about our two central mids that started the game this afternoon. They didn't read well.

Just because we win a few tackles, win a few headers and don't look 'too bad', it's not enough. It's nowhere near enough.

My son today, walking home after the game, when I asked him what I thought of our two CM's in the 442 simply said...'bang average. They ain't gonna win you much though are they?'

He's spot on.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

3 hours ago, MattCan said:

Still shooting Mahrez? Gosh, he just played 20 mins. You can't forget him, can you? You got no excuses now. Where were your Gray, Okazaki, King and all your favored boys?

The fact is: without Kante, Mahrez and Vardy, this team is doomed. It can't even survive the lower leagues.

Are you Algerian per chance?

 

I ask as you appear over sensitive re: Mahrez.

 

Without Mahrez performing at this best, without Kante, without Vardy without the system we played last year we are relegation fodder. 

 

You are not the genius you seem to think you are by coming to that conclusion.

 

Mahrez bar odd cameos is not the player of last season. I'm not sure why you are taking it personally that I am critical of him. He should have been benched weeks ago - as Vardy was. 

 

Fyi I have no 'favourite boys' - if I do it certainly would not be King ffs.

[MattCan]

9 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Are you Algerian per chance?

 

I ask as you appear over sensitive re: Mahrez.

 

Without Mahrez performing at this best, without Kante, without Vardy without the system we played last year we are relegation fodder. 

 

You are not the genius you seem to think you are by coming to that conclusion.

 

Mahrez bar odd cameos is not the player of last season. I'm not sure why you are taking it personally that I am critical of him. He should have been benched weeks ago - as Vardy was. 

 

Fyi I have no 'favourite boys' - if I do it certainly would not be King ffs.

 

.. Mahrez is magic and a joy to watch play but I doubt you would understand that.

You erred and erred but still did not tell me why we lost with this starting XI? I hope it is not all Albrighton's fault ?!

[Blue ROI]

After a decent opening 20 minutes or so that was diabolical. I was angry about Vardy not playing but FA incompetence aside there is no excuse for that second half show. To make matters worse Everton didnt look like world beaters.

 

Morgan and Was are past it and it's sad to watch Wes struggle like that as captain but we need at least 1 new defender in place by January or we could be facing into life back in the 2nd tier by the end of May.

 

Gray impressed early on but was largely anonymous after the first quarter. I like albrighton  more than otheres here as he puts in a lot of work but leaving him instead of gray was inexplicable today. His crosses were meat and drink to Everton.

 

Slimani was atrocious. I had doubts watching him against Brugge as his touch looked a bit off but today was just shocking.to his credit he does have a few goals under his belt so a bit early for cries of 'Akinbiyi' yet.

 

I want Ranieri to turn it around but we fail to win the next 2 games or lose both then I would be looking for a change, Were it not for the occasional performance like burnley, man city or the comeback against Stoke I dread to think how bad it could actually be. We need consistency. Flash in the pan performances wont cut it. We know as well as anyone with 3 relegations from the premiership that it will be our undoing if its not sorted.

[adejo92]

3 hours ago, daz*dsb said:

Woah, steady on mate. We're all upset this evening but don't say something you might regret. 

If i am being honest i didn't even claim my mince pie as i generally don't like them, i was just submitting my standard Ultra negative post

[inckley fox]

4 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I think this is the problem. A few tackles won and the masses start claiming such and such ' had a good game'. Babylon is a master of it.

 

Which of our two centre mids had any real impact on the outcome of that game?

King or Amartey? Were either running the central midfield, at home, against a very average side today? Which of the two looked like scoring, assisting. Someone put up some stats earlier today about our two central mids that started the game this afternoon. They didn't read well.

Just because we win a few tackles, win a few headers and don't look 'too bad', it's not enough. It's nowhere near enough.

My son today, walking home after the game, when I asked him what I thought of our two CM's in the 442 simply said...'bang average. They ain't gonna win you much though are they?'

He's spot on.

He's also spent the whole game listening to you telling him that, if this forum is anything to go by! My dad couldn't stand Richard Smith and Tony James. If I wanted a peaceful life I'd tell him that, yes, they were definitely to blame for Gavin Ward falling backwards into his own goal, or Oldfield missing a sitter, or Ormondroyd being dreadful, or whatever else.

 

So much of your criticism of Amartey hinges on him simply not being as influential as his predecessor, who also happened to be one of the world's best defensive midfielders. Kante's predecessor, who you didn't like much either, was also one of the best midfielders in the game. So Kante's absence was always likely to mean we'd need everyone to be at their best to make up for it, and the incoming players to add to that. It might even have meant us having to change our tactics to find the right combinations. The fact that none of these has come to fruition tells us more about what's wrong, than simply putting it down to Amartey, or even King.

 

But when I asked you if Amartey was the single biggest reason for our poor form, and you said he was, I think you failed to recognise all of those other reasons: for instance that, even with Kante in the side, Wasilewski still wouldn't have provided good cover for Huth today, and even with Kante in the side Slimani's recent performances would detract from, rather than adding to our attack, and Albrighton's distribution would still not be anywhere near good enough. And, looking at the bigger picture, that far too many others have lacked the consistency they offered last season.

[China Black]

Awful.

 

Those were two awful goals to concede. Horrible defending!!

[worthosoriginals]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I think this is the problem. A few tackles won and the masses start claiming such and such ' had a good game'.

 

Which of our two centre mids had any real impact on the outcome of that game?

King or Amartey? Were either running the central midfield, at home, against a very average side today? Which of the two looked like scoring, assisting. Someone put up some stats earlier today about our two central mids that started the game this afternoon. They didn't read well.

Just because we win a few tackles, win a few headers and don't look 'too bad', it's not enough. It's nowhere near enough.

My son today, walking home after the game, when I asked him what I thought of our two CM's in the 442 simply said...'bang average. They ain't gonna win you much though are they?'

He's spot on.

Still all that  Amartey blokes fault again then eh

.....yawn.

[MC Prussian]

7 hours ago, 49er said:

Why do you leave one of your best, most creative players on the bench - Mahrez? He should have played instead of Albrighton. Why didn't Drinky start? To be fair, King and Amartey were reasonable in the first half, but you have to go with your best.

 

With the transfer window opening shortly, can CR be trusted to splash the cash. How many of his signings (if we take the view that Fuchs and Kante were really Pearson ones) have had any real impact - Inler, Benlouane, Slimani, Musa, Amartey, Mendey, Hernandez, Zieler?

 

It may be time for a change. 

I'd say the manager wants to send a signal to his "star" players that they cannot expect to be fielded week in, week out just because. It's a regular measure to increase fighting spirit and re-instill focus and separate the good from the lazy. Can't fault Ranieri for that move, it's the players who are letting him down.

 

However, I think it was a pretty even, yet dull match up until Everton's lucky and unexpected lead and should've ended in a boring 0-0. Two unbelievably amateur defensive mistakes cost us dearly in the end.

Like others have mentioned before, I do like Wasilewski, but it beggars belief how a 36-year old fringe player can get the nod ahead of a guy ten years his junior (and still with plenty of potential) and a 29-year old centre-back in his prime who's apparently more than eager to feature for the first team again.

[daddylonglegs]

Would anyone today give Everton more than a 5/10? For the first 80 minutes they were really really poor which makes the lack of chances even more embarrassing. 

[Struwwelpeter60]

22 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

I do like Wasilewski, but it beggars belief how a 36-year old fringe player can get the nod ahead of a guy ten years his junior

It is very simple.

Last season he played in both games against Everton (because Huth was banned),

and he did well. He has the right physique to keep Lukaku at bay.

I guess, that is, what Ranieri was thinking, before he decided to field him.

[Dan]

9 hours ago, FuchingKante said:

What the fvck was the point in signing Hernandez and Benalouane if we're going to start Wasilewski over them?

 

That decision alone is inexcusable.

Agree with this and said it before the game. You've got to ask serious questions again.

 

This is up there with the worst summer of recruitment I can remember a club having.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, daddylonglegs said:

Would anyone today give Everton more than a 5/10? For the first 80 minutes they were really really poor which makes the lack of chances even more embarrassing. 

I'd probably give them a 7. The definition of solid but unspectacular. Say what you like about their football but they got three very good chances and limited us to nothing. I was quite impressed by their defending.

 

Ours on the other hand. ****ing hell. I think only Swansea are worse at the back than us, and they're extraordinarily bad for this level.

[WigstonWanderer]

What is the point of Slimani? If he isn't giving the ball away, he's offside. He wins practically nothin in the air and seems to get bundled off the ball very easily. Why bring off Gray and leave him on? Admittedly Gray was not getting involved, but like Mahrez can suddenly produce something whereas Slimani was just a dead end for any promising move.

 

The only bright spot was Chillwell. That's what others must have seen in him. Looked much more confident, attacking yet still able to get back to defend.

 

Albrighton  That must be the one Villa sold.

 

Oh dear, just when you think the corner has been turned....

 

Result flattered Everton though. A draw would have been reasonable. 2 Leicester-like goals.

[Happy Fox]

The footballing God's must be smiling on us as Hull, Swansea and Sunderland are in the bottom three. I cannot quite fathom how far we have regressed but this is Leicester we do the unexpected. 

[Crazy Kop Corner]

Their two goals were a bloody disgrace.

 

[Guest Col city fan]

54 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

The footballing God's must be smiling on us as Hull, Swansea and Sunderland are in the bottom three. I cannot quite fathom how far we have regressed but this is Leicester we do the unexpected. 

Swansea and Hull will go. Especially if the Swans keep Bob fookin Bradley. Which bright spark had the idea of appointing HIM, I'll never know?

Then it's one other.