Koke Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Possession isn't everything but it is something, and for 17/18 we need to transition into a more possesion based side. We are heavily reliant on individual creativity (Mahrez, Gray, Drinkwater) rather than collective team creativity. Our inability to string couple of passes together and keep possession is shocking for a Premier League side. We'll be fine this season because we have much better players than the bottom 5/6 but we can't be doing aimless hoofing in 17/18 as well. Im sure Ranieri and his staff are aware of this as well. I blacked out the best part of 14/15 but were we this bad with the ball under Pearson in the PL?
dylanlegend Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Don't worry mate we will, always had plenty of possession in the championship
brucey Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 surely that requires changing the majority of the players? which won't happen
Stadt Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 9 minutes ago, Koke said: Possession isn't everything but it is something, and for 17/18 we need to transition into a more possesion based side. We are heavily reliant on individual creativity (Mahrez, Gray, Drinkwater) rather than collective team creativity. Our inability to string couple of passes together and keep possession is shocking for a Premier League side. We'll be fine this season because we have much better players than the bottom 5/6 but we can't be doing aimless hoofing in 17/18 as well. Im sure Ranieri and his staff are aware of this as well. I blacked out the best part of 14/15 but were we this bad with the ball under Pearson in the PL? Something I've been saying for a while, not necessarily more possession based but as in more players comfortable with the ball. I thought our transfer business in the summer was a step towards this with Zieler, Hernandez and Mendy but the Musa and Slimani signings counteract that thought. Nastasic is better in possession than our other cenrebacks so hopefully we can sign him and it's a step in the right direction.
rmahrez Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 We won the league with 41% possession and 10/11 of that starting 11 are still at the club. Why on earth anyone would think possession would be the answer to our current problems is beyond me. Possession as a stat is flawed. It is all about what you do with the ball, never mind signing a whole new team only to pass it around the back for 90 minutes.
Dan Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Possession isn't a necessity but it isn't a bad trait to have, and we quite clearly aren't finding the way around having very little of it anymore. Our ball retention is horrendous, probably the worst in the entire division.
rmahrez Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 This table shows that there is almost no correlation between average possession and league position, from last season. It's all about using possession efficiently, as we did extremely well last year.
Koke Posted 14 January 2017 Author Posted 14 January 2017 2 minutes ago, rmahrez said: We won the league with 41% possession and 10/11 of that starting 11 are still at the club. Why on earth anyone would think possession would be the answer to our current problems is beyond me. Possession as a stat is flawed. It is all about what you do with the ball, never mind signing a whole new team only to pass it around the back for 90 minutes. Passing around the back for 90 minutes is preferable to hoofing it aimlessly and giving the ball away. Our ball retention is horrific and it needs to be addressed in the summer.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 20 minutes ago, brucey said: surely that requires changing the majority of the players? which won't happen Two CBs who are comfortable on the ball to start attacks/keep possesion and an attacking right back. That's all we need.
Stadt Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Just now, rmahrez said: This table shows that there is almost no correlation between average possession and league position, from last season. It's all about using possession efficiently, as we did extremely well last year. Because we had the space to play direct through balls in behind, now we don't have the space so now we have to use the ball better.
rmahrez Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Just now, Koke said: Passing around the back for 90 minutes is preferable to hoofing it aimlessly and giving the ball away. Our ball retention is horrific and it needs to be addressed in the summer. You're not talking about having more possession then, but using it more effectively. More possession doesn't yield better results, as the table I posted above shows.
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Can't say I disagree, it's something I've also noticed. You are right that we need to evolve for 2017/18, like I mentioned earlier when our pacey style of game doesn't work we struggle, and we seem to not keep possession when we really need to, particularly in some stages in games.
Mike Oxlong Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 What we need is purposeful possession, not necessarily the lion's share of it
davieG Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 There were so many instances today of giving the ball away when there was absolutely no pressure on the players involved, sloppy panicky hot potato get rid of the ball I don't want it play. I don't agree that Drinkwater is a creative player, yes last season he could do a decent long ball pass to Vardy but that option doesn't exist and his creativity is a shade above zero.
Koke Posted 14 January 2017 Author Posted 14 January 2017 3 minutes ago, davieG said: There were so many instances today of giving the ball away when there was absolutely no pressure on the players involved, sloppy panicky hot potato get rid of the ball I don't want it play. I don't agree that Drinkwater is a creative player, yes last season he could do a decent long ball pass to Vardy but that option doesn't exist and his creativity is a shade above zero. I kind of agree with you. In your opinion what is Drinkwater best attributes? He's not a DM and he doesn't score any goals, and if his creativity is as non-existent as you say, what exactly is he good at?
davieG Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 1 minute ago, Koke said: I kind of agree with you. In your opinion what is Drinkwater best attributes? He's not a DM and he doesn't score any goals, and if his creativity is as non-existent as you say, what exactly is he good at? I think he's a competent central midfielder with defensive qualities who's capable of moving the ball around and normally decent at retaining and passing.
Monsell1976 Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 We struggle to pass to our own players, a drastic change in personnel would be required to achieve that. I find watching the possession based team boring to watch, love watching us counter attack when we are on our game, but barring Man City at home, we have lost it from our game.
Nick Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 I actually think this is one of the best and most relevant threads that FT should be considering around our football identity - fair play to the OP. SL
funkyrobot Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 43 minutes ago, Wookie said: Something I've been saying for a while, not necessarily more possession based but as in more players comfortable with the ball. I thought our transfer business in the summer was a step towards this with Zieler, Hernandez and Mendy but the Musa and Slimani signings counteract that thought. Nastasic is better in possession than our other cenrebacks so hopefully we can sign him and it's a step in the right direction. Zieler??
Stadt Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 Just now, funkyrobot said: Zieler?? Alright with the ball at his feet for a keeper
Tuna Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 We needed to do this last summer. In fact I was sure we would, it should have been forseen that the tactics from last season would eventually have been found out. They have been and now we are in a bit of a problem. It's my personal belief that Ranieri will retire at the end of the season. Lets hope that we somehow survive in the premier league and enter a new era at the end of the season with a new man in charge with fresh ideas and a fresh approach. Either way he needs to go in the summer. Last season will never be forgotten, but I cannot forgive the fact we did not take advantage of it in the summer to strengthen and evolve.
Koke Posted 14 January 2017 Author Posted 14 January 2017 6 minutes ago, Tuna said: We needed to do this last summer. In fact I was sure we would, it should have been forseen that the tactics from last season would eventually have been found out. They have been and now we are in a bit of a problem. It's my personal belief that Ranieri will retire at the end of the season. Lets hope that we somehow survive in the premier league and enter a new era at the end of the season with a new man in charge with fresh ideas and a fresh approach. Either way he needs to go in the summer. Last season will never be forgotten, but I cannot forgive the fact we did not take advantage of it in the summer to strengthen and evolve. Do you actually want Ranieri to leave in the summer regardless? I agree we messed up last summer window but I don't think bad transfer window + bad football and finishing 14th warrants Ranieri being let go. I'm convinced he can actually transform us into a more ball retaining passing side.
lgfualol Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 We really do. We're so horrible to watch and predictable and ineffective with the ball. Makes you wonder that our players don't get neck injuries with our hoofs. We have so many players who can not pass at all, it's really poor. Absolutely 0 creativity. Doesnt help when confidence is so low.
Monsell1976 Posted 14 January 2017 Posted 14 January 2017 4 minutes ago, Koke said: Do you actually want Ranieri to leave in the summer regardless? I agree we messed up last summer window but I don't think bad transfer window + bad football and finishing 14th warrants Ranieri being let go. I'm convinced he can actually transform us into a more ball retaining passing side. I agree with you, I really want Claudio to succeed. If we do achieve 14th, he stays and we must learn from the summer mistakes. I just hope he gets us right and we survive, I'm not sure at present.
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