Arriba Los Zorros Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Sorry but anyone who thinks Wilf is the problem instead of the person playing alongside him they are just plainly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeGuy Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 14 hours ago, MarshallForEngland said: Shows how much some folk on here have it in for Andy King when Ndidi not tracking still turns out to be King's fault. Always amazes me how some players can be viewed so uncharitably by certain people while other players apparently can do no wrong. Ndidi hit the ground running and saved the midfield last season. Granted his performances undoubtedly dropped this season, he's still basically running the midfield alone since DD's gone. He started every single game since we bought him as far as I remember. So yeah people tend to be more patient with him than with others who've showed that they're not really up the PL level. I also was astonished to see him not even try to track back on the third goal, but put it on tiredness rather than "not bothered". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PintsandPyro Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Anyone else notice for Liverpools third goal, Magurie started 15 years behind Wilf and ended up 15 yards in front of him at the end of the attack. Literally jogged back when Liverpool had a counter attack on. Poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Thought he was much improved in the 2nd half but his effort for the 3rd was totally unacceptable. At the time I thought the goal was Maguire's fault but Ndidi plays a poor pass to him then walks/jogs back in his attempt to cover. The sooner we play with a 3 of Ndidi, Iborra and Silva, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 He should sit in for Maguire, that's the thing he's done wrong. Yes okay it's shocking how little attempt to get back - though he does look knackered on the reply - but Maguire comes out, they swap. They shouldn't be playing a one two with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 minute ago, AKCJ said: Thought he was much improved in the 2nd half but his effort for the 3rd was totally unacceptable. At the time I thought the goal was Maguire's fault but Ndidi plays a poor pass to him then walks/jogs back in his attempt to cover. The sooner we play with a 3 of Ndidi, Iborra and Silva, the better. Thankfully I'm not the only one who thought the initial pass to Maguire was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelBoy73 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 The lad is only 20, cut him some slack. Do you think Wannyama or Gueye were the finished product at the same age five seasons ago ? It is not his fault if he has to bear the burden of being our go-to holding midfielder paired with a championship-level teammate in a system that always plays into the hands of the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 2 minutes ago, DelBoy73 said: The lad is only 20, cut him some slack. Do you think Wannyama or Gueye were the finished product at the same age five seasons ago ? It is not his fault if he has to bear the burden of being our go-to holding midfielder paired with a championship-level teammate in a system that always plays into the hands of the opposition. I don't think anyone is unprepared to give him time, merely that if he wants to learn and improve as a footballer then he needs to be told what he's doing wrong and what he's doing right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelBoy73 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 3 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I don't think anyone is unprepared to give him time, merely that if he wants to learn and improve as a footballer then he needs to be told what he's doing wrong and what he's doing right. Well, reading some of the bollocks here, you would think it is his own fault that he ran himself to the ground covering for two and went out of gas in the last quarter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 10 minutes ago, DelBoy73 said: The lad is only 20, cut him some slack. Do you think Wannyama or Gueye were the finished product at the same age five seasons ago ? It is not his fault if he has to bear the burden of being our go-to holding midfielder paired with a championship-level teammate in a system that always plays into the hands of the opposition. Age is never an excuse for lack of effort, even if he was tired he should still be busting a gut to get back rather than jogging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Just now, DelBoy73 said: Well, reading some of the bollocks here, you would think it is his own fault that he ran himself to the ground covering for two and went out of gas in the last quarter of time. Don't think that's true. He didn't run back for the 3rd but he definitely did pick it up again. I would imagine Shakespeare has had a word with him about it this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelBoy73 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Just now, MattP said: Age is never an excuse for lack of effort, even if he was tired he should still be busting a gut to get back rather than jogging. You never have ran your arse in a soccer pitch, have you ? If you think he could have sustained the same effort for 90' then you have been badly spoilt by Kante's prowess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Anyone know which website gives a breakdown of distance covered by players? I want to see if this "covering for two players" is true or bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 I can't believe Ndidi is being partly blamed for Liverpool's third. Maguire fooked up good and proper. Wilf, being probably knackered from all the running he'd done and all the tackles he'd made, probably looked at it and knew he was never gonna get back anyway. If Arry hadn't strolled forward thinking he was Bobby Moore, that goal would never have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelBoy73 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 2 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I can't believe Ndidi is being partly blamed for Liverpool's third. Maguire fooked up good and proper. Wilf, being probably knackered from all the running he'd done and all the tackles he'd made, probably looked at it and knew he was never gonna get back anyway. If Arry hadn't strolled forward thinking he was Bobby Moore, that goal would never have happened. Stop talking sense, will ya ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Simpson shouldn't have left Henderson in acres of space for the 3rd We are lucky to have Ndidi, he is younger than some of our academy players and in a formation that doesn't work, yet he still is one of our better players. His passing is poor, but whose isn't? We are so static, slow and hide from the ball, I honestly have no clue what Shakespeare/Appleton do in the training sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnow john Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 5 minutes ago, MattP said: Anyone know which website gives a breakdown of distance covered by players? I want to see if this "covering for two players" is true or bullshit. Squawka.com is the site for those who like to use statistics as "proof" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 4 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Simpson shouldn't have left Henderson in acres of space for the 3rd We are lucky to have Ndidi, he is younger than some of our academy players and in a formation that doesn't work, yet he still is one of our better players. His passing is poor, but whose isn't? We are so static, slow and hide from the ball, I honestly have no clue what Shakespeare/Appleton do in the training sessions. Appleton pumps iron! Shakey pumps the self tanning spray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsell1976 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 5 minutes ago, lgfualol said: Simpson shouldn't have left Henderson in acres of space for the 3rd We are lucky to have Ndidi, he is younger than some of our academy players and in a formation that doesn't work, yet he still is one of our better players. His passing is poor, but whose isn't? We are so static, slow and hide from the ball, I honestly have no clue what Shakespeare/Appleton do in the training sessions. Mahrez at the weekend drew 3 of their players in, and Albrighton and vardy pulled out wide, and offered no reasonable pass, he was crowded out, and had no chance of getting it to either, and he had to take them on and lost it. I know it's our tactic to go long, but agree they should see he can't hit it long, and offer an easier pass, I do agree about our passing, to reliant on the hit and hope over the top, just watch most of Albrighton's passes, it annoys me how he just hits it over he's shoulder when his backs to the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 40 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Thought he was much improved in the 2nd half but his effort for the 3rd was totally unacceptable. At the time I thought the goal was Maguire's fault but Ndidi plays a poor pass to him then walks/jogs back in his attempt to cover. The sooner we play with a 3 of Ndidi, Iborra and Silva, the better. Ndidi Iborra Silva Mahrez Vardy Iheanacho The front three flexible in a more fluid, rotating, "total football" three with Vardy pushing in to he channels and the other two drifting in to cover etc. I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 12 minutes ago, notnow john said: Squawka.com is the site for those who like to use statistics as "proof" Thanks bit nothing for distances on there. 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Ndidi Iborra Silva Mahrez Vardy Iheanacho The front three flexible in a more fluid, rotating, "total football" three with Vardy pushing in to he channels and the other two drifting in to cover etc. I can dream. No Shinji? Been one of our best players this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Just now, MattP said: Thanks bit nothing for distances on there. No Shinji? Been one of our best players this season. I love Shinji, everyone knows that. If we insist on playing 442 I think he's vital. He's the link between our midfield and attack. Every other striker we try it doesn't work. But if we change our shape and go for a more inventive 433 then he probably lacks a bit of technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: I can't believe Ndidi is being partly blamed for Liverpool's third. Maguire fooked up good and proper. Wilf, being probably knackered from all the running he'd done and all the tackles he'd made, probably looked at it and knew he was never gonna get back anyway. If Arry hadn't strolled forward thinking he was Bobby Moore, that goal would never have happened. but the whole point of midfielders is to track runners something something cambiasso something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: Ndidi Iborra Silva Mahrez Vardy Iheanacho The front three flexible in a more fluid, rotating, "total football" three with Vardy pushing in to he channels and the other two drifting in to cover etc. I can dream. Don't we need more attacking full backs for that though to give some width? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 6 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: but the whole point of midfielders is to track runners something something cambiasso something I can't remember Wes, Wasa or Huth ever attempting to beat the entire opposition team with a mazy run that put them completely out of position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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