KingsX Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 2 hours ago, Fox92 said: He should sit in for Maguire, that's the thing he's done wrong. Yes okay it's shocking how little attempt to get back - though he does look knackered on the reply - but Maguire comes out, they swap. They shouldn't be playing a one two with each other. In the Cup match, when Maguire went forward, Iborra often slotted back quickly. In our 4-4-2 it will surely be best to play a true holding mid and allow Ndidi to play box-to-box destroyer. Might offer some of what Shinji gives us, so we can see if Nacho can do we acquired him for, play with Vardy and combine link-up with goal product. Everybody wanted a Kante replacement and we actually found the next best thing. He leads the PL in tackles and Ngolo is #2! Glad to see most here have kept perspective, even though his one big gaffe was a horror show given what was at stake. His failure to track back seems inexplicable since for 65 minutes, his workrate was insane: coverage combined with physical challenges. He was surely wasted at that point, but in that situation you do have to give what you have left. Maybe he doesn’t have the experience to dial it back before he hits the wall, or let the manager know if he has no legs? I do not think he will repeat that huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Ndidi made 11 tackles against Huddersfield and Liverpool. King 2 vs Huddersfield and 0 vs Liverpool. No wonder he isn't performing to his peak, with that amount of pressure put on him playing a 2 CM formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 16 minutes ago, RoyFox said: Ndidi made 11 tackles against Huddersfield and Liverpool. King 2 vs Huddersfield and 0 vs Liverpool. No wonder he isn't performing to his peak, with that amount of pressure put on him playing a 2 CM formation. The defensive midfielder did the defending while the attacking midfielder played the sort of pass that won us the penalty? No way?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Think wilf has one more tackle this season that NG. Top of the prem list. Judging by some of the criticism on here, imagine how good he will be when he isn't sh1t !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: The defensive midfielder did the defending while the attacking midfielder played the sort of pass that won us the penalty? No way?! The attacking midfielder doesn't pass forward / drive forward enough. For a player that has 50+ goals for us, King doesn't half go sideways and backwards a lot. And this is a problem... It was summed up by the fact that both Maguire and Morgan were bringing the ball out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Kinda feel bad for the guy, he is leading the league in tackles but he has to do too much going forward! The Silva situation is a backbreaker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertfox2 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 hour ago, Fox92 said: The attacking midfielder doesn't pass forward / drive forward enough. For a player that has 50+ goals for us, King doesn't half go sideways and backwards a lot. And this is a problem... It was summed up by the fact that both Maguire and Morgan were bringing the ball out. King wasn't even a starter for us in the Championship winning side. That's the problem. It makes anyone playing with him in a 2 man cm look bad. Ndidi is class and it will show again as soon as he has a decent partner again. It's no coincidence his supposed drop in form happened as soon as he wasn't playing with Drinkwater. Sounds like I'm always having a go about King but I do really like him and he's been a great servant of the club, he just isn't a premier league starter though. Wish he was but he isn't. 3rd season in the prem and he is starting games. None of this is Ndidis fault it's the fecker that sent a fax late for Silva and let Drinkwater go without having a replacement lined up. Iborra is either unfit or Shakey can't rate him of he thinks King is a better player to start right now. Again it's recruitment that has been at fault. We have never replaced Walsh with anyone competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 5 hours ago, Col city fan said: I can't believe Ndidi is being partly blamed for Liverpool's third. Do you honesty believe that? I thought he had a good game but he shares the blame for the 3rd Henderson ran past him and he didn't pick him up He didn't even try to cover for himself, he just gave up. I would kinda understand if it was the 94th minute and we were losing 0-4, but it was a 1 goal game in the 66th-67th minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 8 hours ago, DelBoy73 said: The lad is only 20, cut him some slack. Do you think Wannyama or Gueye were the finished product at the same age five seasons ago ? It is not his fault if he has to bear the burden of being our go-to holding midfielder paired with a championship-level teammate in a system that always plays into the hands of the opposition. Age and/or lack of experience certainly plays into it. However, the lad has played over the full 90 minutes in all our league matches so far, and completed 16 out of 17 for us on the back of last season (plus 20 with KRC Genk just before that). At some point, you'll have to ask yourself: "How much time does a player need to adapt?" I'd argue that younger players should be the ones quicker to learn new tricks or positioning. Or else he's not smart enough. Part of the blame has to be put on our manager who plays him in the middle, whereas I see him more as a CDM with his tackling skills. He's no Kanté, but has some of his attributes that should be used accordingly. Why not play Ndidi in front of our defense or bench him for Iborra for once and put King further up front in a 4-1-2-1-2 until Silva's coming on board? That'd absolutely suit our counter-attacking style. A flat 4-4-2 doesn't work with the personnel that we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Vardy Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 Obviously a lot of people's whipping boy on here but Kings pass for the penalty would have been world class by Pogba/Coutinho. Barely gets a mention on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 7 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said: Obviously a lot of people's whipping boy on here but Kings pass for the penalty would have been world class by Pogba/Coutinho. Barely gets a mention on here.... Check the post-match thread, this post in particular: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 I remember Chelsea conceding the third to Arsenal last sept on the break and NG being chastised for being overtaken by the ref during the Arsenal break ..... kante - such a lazy git and that was in the first half !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxhateram Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 4 hours ago, RoyFox said: Ndidi made 11 tackles against Huddersfield and Liverpool. King 2 vs Huddersfield and 0 vs Liverpool. No wonder he isn't performing to his peak, with that amount of pressure put on him playing a 2 CM formation. Well thats rubbish!!! I saw with my own eyes Kingy winning the ball back and putting us on the front foot at least 4 or 5 times against pool and made other challenges throughout the match. I also Didn't see Kingy give the ball away endlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFox Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 hour ago, foxhateram said: Well thats rubbish!!! I saw with my own eyes Kingy winning the ball back and putting us on the front foot at least 4 or 5 times against pool and made other challenges throughout the match. I also Didn't see Kingy give the ball away endlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxhateram Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 10 minutes ago, RoyFox said: You can quote sites that are based on human perceptions and vision as much as you like. But I saw him make more than 0 tackles during that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 On 24/09/2017 at 18:02, Farrington fox said: The lad just needs to pass the ball to our players, not our opponents. If he can crack that he’d be half decent. Dread to think what your opinion of other players is. Thoughts on King Saturday?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmayne7 Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 6 hours ago, RoyFox said: Ndidi made 11 tackles against Huddersfield and Liverpool. King 2 vs Huddersfield and 0 vs Liverpool. No wonder he isn't performing to his peak, with that amount of pressure put on him playing a 2 CM formation. No way those stats are accurate. King made a couple of slide tackles early on. Wilf is going to be a class player. He's already completely reinventing himself from centre back to defensive midfielder to box to box. He's suffering from the team performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdb Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 1 hour ago, foxhateram said: Well thats rubbish!!! I saw with my own eyes Kingy winning the ball back and putting us on the front foot at least 4 or 5 times against pool and made other challenges throughout the match. I also Didn't see Kingy give the ball away endlessly. Not saying you're 100% wrong but I'd be amazed if this is true. I watched King for extended periods as I couldn't believe how little impact he was having in the game. He was chasing shadows and 10 yards off all game. The few times he got close to the action he backed out. I thought it was a woeful performance (bar one outstanding pass). Love Kingy but thought he had a stinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Maul Posted 25 September 2017 Share Posted 25 September 2017 19 minutes ago, sdb said: Not saying you're 100% wrong but I'd be amazed if this is true. I watched King for extended periods as I couldn't believe how little impact he was having in the game. He was chasing shadows and 10 yards off all game. The few times he got close to the action he backed out. I thought it was a woeful performance (bar one outstanding pass). Love Kingy but thought he had a stinker. Really? Not going to criticise Kingy too much as he's a Leicester legend and our fifth choice CM, but we were always going to get overrun playing him in a midfield 2 against a good side going forward such as Liverpool. Ndidi is smashing it in terms of defensive stats, but it's like trying to stop water running out of a colander with his hands a lot of the time with the way we're set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 26 September 2017 Share Posted 26 September 2017 There is no question Ndidi is one of our best players (actual and potentially) who is being run into the ground by us. Cant believe they made him play 80 minutes mid week and another 90 at the weekend with all the work he has to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los dedos Posted 26 September 2017 Share Posted 26 September 2017 Any got the distance covered stats for Wilf compared to the rest of the team v Liverpool?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 26 September 2017 Share Posted 26 September 2017 Look we're not at our best on and off the pitch. .... yet ndidi is a bright ray of sunshine. I cannot believe that we have to have a big thread wondering about ndidi. The midfield issue is for shakey to sort. Ndidi is a big part of our future... he has made a big impact already. He is not drinky... he is not a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 26 September 2017 Share Posted 26 September 2017 Wages aside, I think how the club are treating Wilf at the moment is appalling. This is no way to develop an up and coming young star player. I agree with @Ric Flair most of the time at the moment. It all seems a bit clueless to be honest. Right from the top. No pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 26 September 2017 Share Posted 26 September 2017 18 hours ago, st albans fox said: Think wilf has one more tackle this season that NG. Top of the prem list. Judging by some of the criticism on here, imagine how good he will be when he isn't sh1t !! Beautiful stuff can't wait myself . .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 26 September 2017 Share Posted 26 September 2017 He is obviously a good player, but he has made a lot of mistakes in the last few league games. He needs a rest or we need a change of formation to give him more support, unfortunately unavailable personnel has put the pressure on him. If we play him against Bournemouth maybe take him off late on with a little knock that will keep him at home during the international break. What did we say Schlupp had that time? When he couldn't fly but could train and play, get him one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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