The Horse's Mouth Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 3 hours ago, Webbo said: We were bottom of the league for 5 months and they didn't sack Pearson, we're 5 points above the relegation places and have never been in the bottom 3 this season. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but I don't see it any time soon. I do agree that they won't, but I think that's a little bit different considering the owners have invested up to 80 million into the squad this season.
Koke Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Ranieri may have spent £75m on players but he also sold players for £53m. He's got a net spend of £22m which is nothing. That of course doesn't excuses the shocking displays.
MC Prussian Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 6 minutes ago, Koke said: Ranieri may have spent £75m on players but he also sold players for £53m. He's got a net spend of £22m which is nothing. That of course doesn't excuses the shocking displays. Just a different spin on it - the majority of that £53m earnt through transfers was generated by one player only. It's not just the (net) spending, it's whom we've spent it on. And that approach seems rather erratic to me, given how the season has panned out so far. The influx of new players has changed very little. In fact, it seems to have made things worse in connection with the drop in form of our standout players from the 2015/2016 season. All in all, a rather dangerous mix.
Koke Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 1 minute ago, MC Prussian said: Just a different spin on it - the majority of that £53m earnt through transfers was generated by one player only. It's not just the (net) spending, it's whom we've spent it on. And that approach seems rather erratic to me, given how the season has panned out so far. The influx of new players has changed very little. In fact, it seems to have made things worse in connection with the drop in form of our standout players from the 2015/2016 season. All in all, a rather dangerous mix. I totally agree with your assessment. Last summer was probably the worst transfer window we've had since Sven was here. Says a lot about how efficient and phenomenal Pearson & Co. were with recruitment. We seem to be casually writing off signings that cost several millions. Benny. Karmaric. I suspect Musa will eventually go down the same route and possibly Kaputska as well. Those 4 combined cost £39m. That's a lot of waste for a club our size.
volpeazzurro Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 They've bought well for the future but we need to get a bit of experience in as well. That wasn't easy regardless of winning the Premiership even in the summer. I don't for one minute believe that the club didn't covet some excellent targets but, and it's a big but, if you look at Kante's reasoning for leaving, that would have been the same reasoning for certain more established players not coming here. Whilst we are shopping in a better market than in the past, we're a club that will attract good wannabe young players like Ndiddi or Gray who want to get the Premiership on their cv for their future or, others from Italy for example where wages are a lot lower. As romantic as our story is, albeit we're lucky to have good wealthy owners, we're still seen as and are a small club. Chicken and egg really, to be thought of as big, you've got to perform at a higher level over a period of time, but that needs better players which are hard to attract. A mid to lower finish in the Premiership and a good run in Europe would be better for our overall desirability to players than being bombed out of Europe at an early stage and finishing 7th say imo.
adejo92 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 He's got plenty of time left, just hope he can turn this trainwreck around.
bpfox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 its time to go, he has not made the needed signing to get us out of the hole , there is 9 days or so left and we have 1 signing and still getting flogged with a leaky defence. and now the boss is making stuff ups with formations I think he has lost the plot, he needs to go NOW.
VIKTOR-LE5 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 We've played with wingers all last season an this so then he decides he wants to play 3 in the middle, nothing wrong with that but gets it completely wrong by taking the width out and playing 4-3-1-2, all he had do do was play 4-3-3 with Gray and Albrigton on either side of Vardy, this in turn turns into a 4-5-1 when defending.They literally had acres of space down the wings. As much as i am grateful to Claudio an wish he could turn it around i think it might be time for a change.Put it this way i bet if Klopp or Howe was in charge bet these same players could pass it more then 3 times to a teammate. I don't think the owners will sack Claudio, they'll give him the full season like Pearson. Wer'e a fookin mess.
Moksky Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 8 hours ago, MC Prussian said: Just a different spin on it - the majority of that £53m earnt through transfers was generated by one player only. It's not just the (net) spending, it's whom we've spent it on. And that approach seems rather erratic to me, given how the season has panned out so far. The influx of new players has changed very little. In fact, it seems to have made things worse in connection with the drop in form of our standout players from the 2015/2016 season. All in all, a rather dangerous mix. Its been quantity not quality. Quality is £25-30m + , you could argue that Slimani is not that next level
ozvaldo Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 I'd just go 4-5-1 every game. Kasper Simo - Huth - Wes - Chilwell Albrighton - Mendy - Drinky - N'Didi - Gray Slimani It suits our 'panic hoofball' approach and if, by the good grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, we ever find ourselves in the final third, we've got two great crosses of the ball and one hell of a heading machine upfront. We may just sneak the odd goal here or there. Keep the midfield compact, make our defenders' lives easier, as they cannot defend.
BigFoxForYou Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Even if he was sacked, is there anyone better available right now to replace him? Not much point in a horizontal move at this point and we wouldn't want a down grade or a caretaker. I don't think things are bad enough yet. Then again we don't want too little too late if things start looking more desperate.
foxy boxing Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 I'm sorry i love Claudio and am thankful for what he has done for the club, but the club is the first and only priority and we just cannot afford to get relegated or say goodbye to the star players and say hello to a massive period of uncertainty. Claudio's recruitment has been poor and we have spent millions on players who cannot evan get into the starting eleven. five and a half million for benaluane who frightens supporters with his defending as he is always in danger of giving a penalty away or Musa who on a good day is good goalscorer but on his usual days is a guy who cant evan control a football or the plethera of wingers we have at the club or the complete lack of defensive cover for Moragn and Huth.the recriutment policy has been dire at the very least Rudkin should be sacked on the spot!
MC Prussian Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 7 minutes ago, Moksky said: Its been quantity not quality. Quality is £25-30m + , you could argue that Slimani is not that next level From an outside perspective, we overpaid on many players that have yet to live up to their hype. We've had a great work ethic and scouting network in place before Ranieri was appointed and now it seems like it's all been turned upside down in the space of six months.
superfox1980 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 It's time for Ranieri to go I'm afraid. Tactically he's all over the place. The players aren't responding to what he's asking them to do. We're a complete and utter mess at the moment. A fresh approach is needed, forget last year and move forward. The players need to do the same. The club will go backwards. After last season to now be embroiled in a relegation battle is unacceptable. I'm not one of these idiots who expected us to be challenging once again for the title. A top 10 finish and a solid campaign would mark some progress and continue build again for next season. We look a million miles away from this sort of stability. Very worried !!
sylofox Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 9 hours ago, Koke said: I totally agree with your assessment. Last summer was probably the worst transfer window we've had since Sven was here. Says a lot about how efficient and phenomenal Pearson & Co. were with recruitment. We seem to be casually writing off signings that cost several millions. Benny. Karmaric. I suspect Musa will eventually go down the same route and possibly Kaputska as well. Those 4 combined cost £39m. That's a lot of waste for a club our size. Not sure where you are coming from. Kramaric was a Pearson Walsh signing and written off by NP. He then wanted out. Musa was a Walsh buy we were linked before CR arrived. And Musa has time to work. Kapustka (note the spelling) I would think was a purchase for next year or the year after. So CR has wasted the Benny money from your list.
Koke Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 34 minutes ago, sylofox said: Not sure where you are coming from. Kramaric was a Pearson Walsh signing and written off by NP. He then wanted out. Musa was a Walsh buy we were linked before CR arrived. And Musa has time to work. Kapustka (note the spelling) I would think was a purchase for next year or the year after. So CR has wasted the Benny money from your list. We were seriously linked with Musa in summer 2015 and January 2016 before finally buying him in summer 2016. We'll have to wait and see but I doubt Musa will last here. Kapustka is the same age as Ndidi and Chilwell and Gray, yet he's just seen 15 minutes cameo so far. I'm not buying that he's for 2 years later when we have several 20 year olds who are playing for us now. He's not even being loaned out. EDIT: Kramaric was bought by Pearson but was completely written off by Ranieri. Kramaric saw more game time in the 6 months he had under Pearson than he did at all with Ranieri.
Guest Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Hate this threads, there is no decent option to replace him. If we end up sacking him we will end up with someone who won't be able to do a better job.
Moksky Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 10 hours ago, MC Prussian said: From an outside perspective, we overpaid on many players that have yet to live up to their hype. We've had a great work ethic and scouting network in place before Ranieri was appointed and now it seems like it's all been turned upside down in the space of six months. Chief scouts gone .
China Black Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Difficult for me to say if he should go or not. There's still 8 days of the January transfer window left for us to get the required players in. However they would need to get a move on pronto. Also we are still in the FA Cup and Champions League. I would lean towards keeping him, as the other thing is that the grass is not always greener when an under performing manager is sacked.
totbl Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 10 hours ago, MC Prussian said: From an outside perspective, we overpaid on many players that have yet to live up to their hype. We've had a great work ethic and scouting network in place before Ranieri was appointed and now it seems like it's all been turned upside down in the space of six months. Part of that change is that under Pearson, the approach to transfers was not just about the ability of the player, but the right mentality and team fit etc. I don't feel that's the case anymore and our group/team mentality has changed partially because of that. I feel we now just bring in anyone, and the way of taking our time to find the right player in the transfer market has gone.
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 Rise! Rise! The Court is back in session. In the dock, as usual, the manager. The same procedure as everytime. What about the Head of Recruitment, the Finance Director, the Director of Football , the Football Operations Director, the two Executive Directors? Does anybody here really know, what all this people are doing? Does anybody here really know, who is responsible for the transfer policy of LCFC? Does anybody here really know, who decides, how much money is available for new players, or what salary a player will get? My guess: it is not the manager.
john ridley Posted 23 January 2017 Posted 23 January 2017 The way the seasons panning out we could be in for a repeat of a sven type clear out if Ranieri gets the chop.Then all the rebuilding starts all over again , hopefully the owners won't loose interest this time around.
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