Guest Col city fan Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 'Rebuilding' a team is not really done nowadays is it? Due to the transfer fees and wage demands of players, even the top sides usually bring one or two in at a time, sell (or just offload) a couple etc. We just couldn't afford to replace every player who needs replacing at the moment because, let's face it, it looks like we could really do with a whole new defence, maybe apart from on the left cos we have Chilwell. What we have done wrongly in the summer was to not replace that crucial one or two with any better. E.g. Keane could have come in for Morgan and Silva could have come in for Kante. Instead we bought strikers when we already had strikers. If we are to have a decent overhaul of this squad, it's gonna cost a lot of dosh.
desertfox2 Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 I still think/hope Amartey will if given the chance become a great CB for us. Chilwell is a long term LB, Ndidi a long-term CM. Gray has the tools to become world class if he can develop an end product. It's not all doom and gloom but for sure we have to be doing better than we are.
PAULCFC Posted 24 January 2017 Posted 24 January 2017 1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said: The entire defence needs replacing in the next couple of years and that concerns me. I see what you are saying.... but we need an extra centre back now.Can kind of see what the owners are doing (building for the future with Gray,Kapustka etc).But that's all well and good if we are still in the prem.
Guest Danny Clender Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 Players I'd keep, Schmeichel, RRZ, Hamer, Chilwell, Fuchs, Mahrez, Amartey, Mendy, Ndidi, Drinkwater, Gray, Slimani, Players i'd keep, but upgrade NOW/ASAP and then let go if necessary. Simpson, Morgan, Huth, Albrighton, Vardy, Musa, Kapustka. Players I'd let go and replace ASAP Wasilewski, Benalouane, Okazaki, King, Ulloa, Loan James Academy Promotions next season. Lawrence, Barnes.
Strokes Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 16 hours ago, Col city fan said: 'Rebuilding' a team is not really done nowadays is it? Due to the transfer fees and wage demands of players, even the top sides usually bring one or two in at a time, sell (or just offload) a couple etc. We just couldn't afford to replace every player who needs replacing at the moment because, let's face it, it looks like we could really do with a whole new defence, maybe apart from on the left cos we have Chilwell. What we have done wrongly in the summer was to not replace that crucial one or two with any better. E.g. Keane could have come in for Morgan and Silva could have come in for Kante. Instead we bought strikers when we already had strikers. If we are to have a decent overhaul of this squad, it's gonna cost a lot of dosh. Southampton did it 2 or 3 years ago to pretty good effect iirc. We really need to look at how our recruitment strategy changed and what can be done to improve it. I realise we can't wait for players to develop like we once could but the contrast in strategy is very concerning.
Bayfox Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 15 hours ago, PAULCFC said: I see what you are saying.... but we need an extra centre back now.Can kind of see what the owners are doing (building for the future with Gray,Kapustka etc).But that's all well and good if we are still in the prem. It's only building for the future, if we actually occasionally play them and don't piss them off tho. I am still hopeful,that long term amartey could become a good centre half, i'd have him playing alongside huth once he's back from africa, we have to hope N'didi is quality long term, in which case maybe Drinky can find some form, along with Vardy and Mahrez thet's not the makings of a bad side, but we do need a different option at RB and to hope chilwell develops into a decent LB. But we have a big problem now that we have given such long term deals to the likes of Wes and Fuchs, Kingy etc, that they are never leaving before they see out the mega money deals they now have, which with FFP really has left us in a bit of a mess budget wise. Chuck in that we keep hearing whispers about the owners and they are clearly spending a lot less time at the club this season, I'm not sure the future looks as bright as it maybe should.
Monsell1976 Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 Let's be honest, the squad was built on a team of average players, that played out of their skins, and over performed compared to their abilities, due to team mentality and hard work for 90 minutes every game, which all has been missing this season. The reality is we missed a great opportunity this season to improve on the quality of the squad, whilst we were high on the back of a title, and we have missed out on the chance to recruit real quality, and improve the brand. The players we had have turned back into what we knew they were, average, and brought in youth which is going to take time to see how good they are. I personally wouldn't waste money in Jan, see where we are in the summer, and get rid off the players who have let us down, and rebuild, wether that's a championship squad or not.
cityfanlee23 Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 We 100% need 2 CB 1 RB 1 CAM That would solve it for me, we would have the link between defence and midfield, a strong defence will take pressure off the midfield allowing them freedom to supply upfront, The CAM would allow us to link the midfield and attack fluently. Gaston Ramirez would be perfect for the attacking midfield role as he has the attributes to play on the wing too if we decide against that particular formation in a match. Right back we could go for someone like De scliglio, abate or trippier 2 cb could be someone like Nastasic and Evans but there are options. I think the problem we have is lack of defence, meaning the midfield are pulled back, fixing that would solve a lot in my opinion, the CAM would allow us to change formation.
fuchsntf Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 Rebuild...I'll bring the joist, nails and screws, and a swiss knife..
lcfcfoz Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 On 24/01/2017 at 12:51, Blizzard said: Recruitment has to include 2 new defenders, two new midfielders. We are not short of strikers, its simply a matter of quality. All I ask of Grey is that he hits the target and tests keepers. Captain Morgan ought to bow out gracefully at the end of the season. It's gray not grey
Barky Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 Central defence aside I can't remember a time when we had this many high potential youngsters in the squad. MON's team was fairly well weathered and since then until the last couple of years we've had basically nobody with much potential at all. So i don't think the squad needs a rebuild at all, it just needs time to evolve naturally. Centre back is a really tricky one to be fair. Jon Stones went for £50m, burnley wanted what, £35m+ for Michael Keane? Young premier league standard centre backs are like gold dust. You can bet teflon-Steve was scouting hard for centre backs and he found nobody, so it's obviously not quite as straight forward as football manager makes it seem.
Max Wall Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 17:17, Dan LCFC said: The entire defence needs replacing in the next couple of days and that concerns me. Corrected for you
sk3since03 Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 Just sign the right players that fit a working system and dont let Rudkin sign the players he's been watching on Youtube
shen Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 On 24/1/2017 at 18:33, Ashley said: Is it just me who thinks we 'missed a trick' in the summer by not signing Keane and if reports are true they only wanted an extra £2 million for him to be ours? Honestly I had massive hopes this summer, reigning champions of England let's go out build on it we had a massive chance to become a regular top 6 possibly even top 4 club. No, no I'm not dreaming. The foundations were there possibly still are. Anyway. Why not of invested for the future? Seriously? Keane, Gibson, Holding, Ifora, Tammy Abraham, Jordan Pickford. We could of gone for those type of players. Show the ambition and be rewarded. We supposedly had private jets and helicopters on standby for Adrian Silva too, why didn't we push that little bit harder? Slimani is and he will eventually show what an excellent choice it was for him to sign him. I even think the same about Musa... Uhhh, our most recent signings have been Ndidi, Mendy, Zieler, Gray, Amartey, Musa, Hernandez and Slimani. All of them young or at least younger options than the alternatives in their position...
Ashley Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 10 minutes ago, shen said: Uhhh, our most recent signings have been Ndidi, Mendy, Zieler, Gray, Amartey, Musa, Hernandez and Slimani. All of them young or at least younger options than the alternatives in their position... Just ignore the bit underneath then.
Max Wall Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 20 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said: We 100% need 2 CB 1 RB 1 CAM That would solve it for me, we would have the link between defence and midfield, a strong defence will take pressure off the midfield allowing them freedom to supply upfront, The CAM would allow us to link the midfield and attack fluently. Gaston Ramirez would be perfect for the attacking midfield role as he has the attributes to play on the wing too if we decide against that particular formation in a match. Right back we could go for someone like De scliglio, abate or trippier 2 cb could be someone like Nastasic and Evans but there are options. I think the problem we have is lack of defence, meaning the midfield are pulled back, fixing that would solve a lot in my opinion, the CAM would allow us to change formation. Agree with most of this. Ramirez biggest asset is his premier league experience. We will have to pay a massive premium for players already in the league but that's what we need, players who know what it takes in this arena and can improve the starting 11. Slinging in unknown quantities signed from the continent is an extremely dicey policy as for every success there is a failure, especially when they are young too. The biggest concern was CR's statement that he was happy with the squad even if no one comes in. I sincerely hope we are negotiating for several players and Claudio was attempting to play poker with his comments. I doubt it though as every minor rumour tends to 'get out there' these days due to agent/player/club leaks. His view, if it is genuine, is concerning. If we end the window with no new signings we are in for a bumpy ride and whilst I don't subscribe to the view that we will be relegated for sure as some on here have suggested, I'd give us no more than a 50/50 shot at staying up.
Chico1958 Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 We've started already but the foundations are weak So the temptation for wholesale demolition might be a step to far, New faces will come and the bricks will go.............. hopefully. Never could tell my Bs from my Ps
shen Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 23 hours ago, Ashley said: Just ignore the bit underneath then. But you asked why we were not investing in youth, when the club clearly has. I'm not sure what the bit underneath says that changes it, but never mind...
zealot Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 I don't think we need a complete overhaul. We are two defenders (new RB and new CB) away from something decent. Defensively we are giving away silly goals and also the ball far too easy. Sort the defensive problems and we'd be top-half of the table. I am afraid that means big Wes (legend that he is) admitting he's past his best.
Thracian Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 17:59, desertfox2 said: I still think/hope Amartey will if given the chance become a great CB for us. Chilwell is a long term LB, Ndidi a long-term CM. Gray has the tools to become world class if he can develop an end product. It's not all doom and gloom but for sure we have to be doing better than we are. Amartey started to make an impression with a succession of appearances but then trooped off to AFCON. When he returns it will mean still more disruption just like with Mahrez and Slimani. Good as they are it's a significant chunk of our team - including a good half of our fire-power. It's too much and could potentially get worse with our current personnel and the way our recruitment philosophy seems to be focused. How many Premiership points have we won in January? One out of nine. Given that the relegation fight could be tight even one of those defeats could conceivably be more in points terms, than the margin that sends us down. And yet it's a problem of our own making. And it's no use pointing to the contribution of Mahrez in helping us win the title. One AFCON absentee is a whole lot different to three (or even four if Schlupp had been selected and had remained here). We've left ourselves over-exposed. And, worse than that, we didn't have (or use) adequate replacements and that, when you've also got add-on weaknesses in certain positions, is a recipe for failure. Again, i find the manager answerable. There might be an explanation but it's hard to understand.
Renart Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Yep. New legs for Morgan. New head for Mahrez. New hair for Simpson. New face for King, Remove Huth's hands...
desertfox2 Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 6 hours ago, Thracian said: Amartey started to make an impression with a succession of appearances but then trooped off to AFCON. When he returns it will mean still more disruption just like with Mahrez and Slimani. Good as they are it's a significant chunk of our team - including a good half of our fire-power. It's too much and could potentially get worse with our current personnel and the way our recruitment philosophy seems to be focused. How many Premiership points have we won in January? One out of nine. Given that the relegation fight could be tight even one of those defeats could conceivably be more in points terms, than the margin that sends us down. And yet it's a problem of our own making. And it's no use pointing to the contribution of Mahrez in helping us win the title. One AFCON absentee is a whole lot different to three (or even four if Schlupp had been selected and had remained here). We've left ourselves over-exposed. And, worse than that, we didn't have (or use) adequate replacements and that, when you've also got add-on weaknesses in certain positions, is a recipe for failure. Again, i find the manager answerable. There might be an explanation but it's hard to understand. All valid points. If Nigeria hadnt found a seemingly impossible way not to qualify we would have been even deeper in the brown stuff.
TheLittleBigMan Posted 28 January 2017 Posted 28 January 2017 I think we all agree the defence needs rebuilding. Or putting down.
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