Guest the fox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 A blind person can tell you that 4 defenders will not work any more. Our fullbacks are struggling to keep up with teams and our wingers can't defend and attack all game. And the lack of a box to box or a number 10 is exposing us. And with the kind of players we have, I can't think of a better formation to fill the deficiency. The beauty of the 3-6-1 formation lies in the fact that it is not just 1 formation, I like to call it the clay formation, you ask and the formation will oblige. Before I start, here is the list of players that I will be choosing for the formations. GK: Kasper DEF: huth, Simpson, amartey WING BACKS: Albrighton and chilwell MID: Drinkwater, n'didi Wingers/forwards: mahrez and gray Striker: slimani (This is all after amartey is back from the afcon of course) The thing about playing with fullbacks is the fluidity that it creates. You can outnumber the opposition pretty much everywhere. the defending formation: 5-3-1-1 And no, Albrighton will not by my choice for right back, it will be Slimani Mahrez Gray. Albrighton Drinkwater Ben. Huth. N'didi. Amartey. Simpson Kasper This formation will allow us to have numbers and the ability to counter attack in the matter of seconds After we get the ball, we transform to a new formation the counter attacking formation: the metodo (2-3-2-3) It will look like this: Slimani Gray.--------------------------- Mahrez Ben------------------------------------------------------Albrighton Drinkwater N'didi ------------------------------------ Amartey Huth------------------Simpson Kasper Now we are overloading the wings, and we still have enough bodies in the midfield. They can't double on gray and mahrez because our fullbacks ( now our wingers) will cross the ball to arguably the best header of the ball in the PL. And they can't double on Albrighton and ben because we have two players that are great in cutting inside (one of them is a player of the year). And they can't leave the midfielders alone because they have the ability to shoot from a distance Now, the formation for the weak teams, it is one of the best 3ATB (3 at the back) formations. Our main formation: the 3-6-1 formation: This is our bread and butter, this is the formation that will keep us up. Slimani Gray--------------------------------------mahrez Ben-------------------------------------------------------------albrighton N'did----------------------drinkwater Huth-------------amartey------------simpson Kasper It may look like 3 at the back, but in reality it is just 2. Amartey will play as a link between the defense and midfield. He will get the ball. Run for 10 yards and then pass it off to drinkwater or n'didi (I think Mendy will do a better job there because he is a good passer, but ndidi is our best midfielder right now, and he is not a bad passer) After that, the CM should play a long pass to the wings. And that will allow us to cross, cut inside or shoot from far. Chelsea is playing this formation (more or less) and the are killing the league. Of course the have the better players but we can do bits with it too. We don't have fullbacks that can do a great job defensively and offensively and we need our wingers to provide magic without having to waste energy on defense. Chelsea knew it and did it and I think this formation is the future of the PL
Gerard Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 1 minute ago, the fox said: the defending formation: 5-3-2-1 If we could play 5-3-2-1 we'd win a lot more games than we'd lose.
Guest the fox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: If we could play 5-3-2-1 we'd win a lot more games than we'd lose. Hhhhhhhhhh my bad, fixed it
davieG Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Formations is not why we're so bad it's the inability to pass to a team mate, to control the ball, to be comfortable with the ball and not treat it like a hot potato, to bring the ball down instead of playing head tennis straight back to the opposition, to make the simple pass to a near by team mate instead of hopeless, panicky hoofs. There's so many basic things we're not doing that just changing formations will not resolve.
Benguin Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Best team for me with all things considered is: ----------------------------------------Kasper------------------------------------------------ -----Simpson-------Ndidi--------------------Huth------------------------Chilwell------- -----------------------------------Mendy------------------------------------------------------ -----Albrighton----------King--------------Amartey-----------------Mahrez----------- ---------------------------------Slimani/Ulloa----------------------------------------------------
cc_star Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Formation irrelevant if you can't get the players doing the basics, or motivate them to play as a unit with as much desire & intensity that opposition managers can
foxes21 Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 formation isn't the problem. The mentality, motivation and desire is.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Raneri has had a mare tactically on many occasions this season but I agree with the consensus that when we do play a formation that could work, which we have done on numerous occasions this season, the players need to go out and make it work, which they aren't doing that with far to much regularity this season.
Guest the fox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 1 minute ago, davieG said: Formations is not why we're so bad it's the inability to pass to a team mate, to control the ball, to be comfortable with the ball and not treat it like a hot potato, to bring the ball down instead of playing head tennis straight back to the opposition, to make the simple pass to a near by team mate instead of hopeless, panicky hoofs. There's so many basic things we're not doing that just changing formations will not resolve. And that's why I choosed this formation. We don't have great CBs that can pass so, close the gap between the defense and midfield by playing a CDM as a 3rd CB. We don't have a box to box to pick the ball upfield So, let the wingers and wingbacks do that. This is the right formation to cover for our lack of quality.
davieG Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 23 minutes ago, the fox said: And that's why I choosed this formation. We don't have great CBs that can pass so, close the gap between the defense and midfield by playing a CDM as a 3rd CB. We don't have a box to box to pick the ball upfield So, let the wingers and wingbacks do that. This is the right formation to cover for our lack of quality. But they were doing those things I mentioned during the great escape season and last season and they're mostly the same players.
Moksky Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Play any formation you like, its the lack of desire & hunger in players like Vardy, I mean he was handed £25m in the summer, plus bonuses He set the tone last season, when you chase lost causes and scrap and get in peoples faces it set the players behind him up. You see your forwards scarpping for every ball, its infectious. Hes lost the moitvation. Needs dropping
Guest the fox Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 8 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Internet managers everywhere. Only sharing my thoughts that's all.
ktfox59 Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Quite apt as we have t won since before xmas in the league
Fox42 Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 5 minutes ago, ktfox59 said: Quite apt as we have t won since before xmas in the league New Years*... not like it makes much difference, mind.
Domsdad Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Do we actually practice formations/tactics before we pitch up against opposition? I ask this because we would have known we were playing Burnley who have 2 giraffes as centre halves but we continuously put balls up in the air to Vardy which he has no chance of winning, and then their midfield picked up EVERY second ball. We could have the best tactician in the world but if the players don't/can't listen to instructions then what's the point?
dylanlegend Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 1 hour ago, the fox said: A blind person can tell you that 4 defenders will not work any more. Our fullbacks are struggling to keep up with teams and our wingers can't defend and attack all game. And the lack of a box to box or a number 10 is exposing us. And with the kind of players we have, I can't think of a better formation to fill the deficiency. The beauty of the 3-6-1 formation lies in the fact that it is not just 1 formation, I like to call it the clay formation, you ask and the formation will oblige. Before I start, here is the list of players that I will be choosing for the formations. GK: Kasper DEF: huth, Simpson, amartey WING BACKS: Albrighton and chilwell MID: Drinkwater, n'didi Wingers/forwards: mahrez and gray Striker: slimani (This is all after amartey is back from the afcon of course) The thing about playing with fullbacks is the fluidity that it creates. You can outnumber the opposition pretty much everywhere. the defending formation: 5-3-1-1 And no, Albrighton will not by my choice for right back, it will be Slimani Mahrez Gray. Albrighton Drinkwater Ben. Huth. N'didi. Amartey. Simpson Kasper This formation will allow us to have numbers and the ability to counter attack in the matter of seconds After we get the ball, we transform to a new formation the counter attacking formation: the metodo (2-3-2-3) It will look like this: Slimani Gray.--------------------------- Mahrez Ben------------------------------------------------------Albrighton Drinkwater N'didi ------------------------------------ Amartey Huth------------------Simpson Kasper Now we are overloading the wings, and we still have enough bodies in the midfield. They can't double on gray and mahrez because our fullbacks ( now our wingers) will cross the ball to arguably the best header of the ball in the PL. And they can't double on Albrighton and ben because we have two players that are great in cutting inside (one of them is a player of the year). And they can't leave the midfielders alone because they have the ability to shoot from a distance Now, the formation for the weak teams, it is one of the best 3ATB (3 at the back) formations. Our main formation: the 3-6-1 formation: This is our bread and butter, this is the formation that will keep us up. Slimani Gray--------------------------------------mahrez Ben-------------------------------------------------------------albrighton N'did----------------------drinkwater Huth-------------amartey------------simpson Kasper It may look like 3 at the back, but in reality it is just 2. Amartey will play as a link between the defense and midfield. He will get the ball. Run for 10 yards and then pass it off to drinkwater or n'didi (I think Mendy will do a better job there because he is a good passer, but ndidi is our best midfielder right now, and he is not a bad passer) After that, the CM should play a long pass to the wings. And that will allow us to cross, cut inside or shoot from far. Chelsea is playing this formation (more or less) and the are killing the league. Of course the have the better players but we can do bits with it too. We don't have fullbacks that can do a great job defensively and offensively and we need our wingers to provide magic without having to waste energy on defense. Chelsea knew it and did it and I think this formation is the future of the PL Thanks Nigel, you've got the job
Nalis Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Inside forward and centre half backs? Is Stanley Matthews playing too?
Spicer Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Our players have no confidence, concentration, can't keep the ball for more than 5 passes (technically poor), have no desire or real passion. Formations are import but we have bigger issues in the players themselves. If you wanted to play with the 3 players up top in a 3-4-3, I remember earlier in the season for the last 15 minutes of a game (can't remember which) we had Mahrez, Slimani and Musa as the three which on the face of it is well balanced with the bigger player, the technical dribbler and the speedster. As I recall they looked quite decent like this.
Dan Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 2 hours ago, Gerard said: If we could play 5-3-2-1 we'd win a lot more games than we'd lose. To be honest I wouldn't bank on it.
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 Footballers are too thick to play in any formation other than 442. Maybe are some that understand but not ideal if others in the side don't. They should either suss themselves during the game or the manager ask an individual to alter his game slightly to capitalize on a weakness or protect against a strength
Buzzell Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Internet managers everywhere. They've probably won the Champions League with Leicester on Football Manager with these formations. They know what's best.
Stadt Posted 1 February 2017 Posted 1 February 2017 It's not so much about a rigid formation but the movement and positions players take up on the pitch, we're never really in a good offensive shape with the ball which is where Ranieri has failed as manger and a coach. When we pick the ball up it's usually hastily launched forwards and we're instantly transitioning in to defence again. We can't play on the counter anymore due to the lack of desire, tactic discipline and workrate so setting us up so negatively spells defeat because we can't absorb the pressure anymore like we could last season. Ranieri has had the same problem at basically every club he's managed - a strong start but then a slow descent into poor form. Of course Claudio's not entirely blameless as the players have let him down but he's not got even close to a suitable system, we persisted with 442 for too long and his diamond experiment has been disastrous as it exposes our dreadful fullbacks and we lack even more punch than usual.
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