"If they dont believe in me..."

[somebum]

yeah thats it Bill Anderson, proper plonker. His reports were so biased. 

 

 "Kevin Poole. Misjudged the cross that lead to the first goal and gave away the penalty before getting sent off but otherwise an all round solid performance. 8"

[Kinowe Soorie]

4 minutes ago, somebum said:

yeah thats it Bill Anderson, proper plonker. His reports were so biased. 

 

 "Kevin Poole. Misjudged the cross that lead to the first goal and gave away the penalty before getting sent off but otherwise an all round solid performance. 8"

Sounds about right.

[Mike Oxlong]

I know Vardy is guilty of failing to put in the same effort as last season because I've seen it with my own eyes. I didn't agree with those who put his poor performances down to a lack of service.  But I haven't seen any compelling evidence to suggest that he's guilty of more and in particular of being a ringleader in a plot to get Ranieri the sack.

[Steve Earle]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Not really odd. 

 

I take what The Mercury and Radio Leicester say with a pinch of salt, as I have always thought of them as being  almost club propaganda merchants.

You may have a healthy attitude there, but if you're right, why hasn't the Mercury taken the opportunity to pour cold water on the reports of unrest within the camp?

[The People's Hero]

Remember when we were switching it up between Poole and ward ? Golden times 

 

[Leamington Fox]

I recommend the article by Jonathan Northcroft in the Sunday Times today (sorry no digital access or hyperlink).  He wrote the excellent book on last season's miracle.  His main points are:

 

1.  The recruitment has overall made us weaker not stronger.  Only Slimani has really been a success.  We lost two highly-rated technical scouts, Rob Mackenzie and Ben Wrigglesworth, as well as Steve Walsh.

2.  Mendy, Ahmed, Musa and Hernandez were all long-term targets of Steve Walsh.

3.  Ranieiri's tactical changes have flopped and don't seem to have been understood by the players.

4.  CR's message seems lacklustre.  Just saying "we are fighters" every week begins to wear a bit thin.  The ambitions (first top 10 and now just 40 points) are "grey" and uninspiring.

5.  We've not had the luck we had last season.

6.  Schmeichel, Vardy, Kante and Mahrez were our four world-class players last season.  This season, only Schmeichel has played near to his best and was out for a lengthy period.

7.  Ranieiri does not actually have a history of success over a long period at any given club.  He has 16 jobs and only twice stayed longer than 3 seasons.  He resigned from Atletico Madrid with the club on the brink of relegation.  They did go down that season.

 

That all makes sense to me, but gives me no reason for optimism.

[norwichfox]

5 minutes ago, Leamington Fox said:

I recommend the article by Jonathan Northcroft in the Sunday Times today (sorry no digital access or hyperlink).  He wrote the excellent book on last season's miracle.  His main points are:

 

1.  The recruitment has overall made us weaker not stronger.  Only Slimani has really been a success.  We lost two highly-rated technical scouts, Rob Mackenzie and Ben Wrigglesworth, as well as Steve Walsh.

2.  Mendy, Ahmed, Musa and Hernandez were all long-term targets of Steve Walsh.

3.  Ranieiri's tactical changes have flopped and don't seem to have been understood by the players.

4.  CR's message seems lacklustre.  Just saying "we are fighters" every week begins to wear a bit thin.  The ambitions (first top 10 and now just 40 points) are "grey" and uninspiring.

5.  We've not had the luck we had last season.

6.  Schmeichel, Vardy, Kante and Mahrez were our four world-class players last season.  This season, only Schmeichel has played near to his best and was out for a lengthy period.

7.  Ranieiri does not actually have a history of success over a long period at any given club.  He has 16 jobs and only twice stayed longer than 3 seasons.  He resigned from Atletico Madrid with the club on the brink of relegation.  They did go down that season.

 

That all makes sense to me, but gives me no reason for optimism.

Must be an avid reader of this forum to have come to those conclusions......

[NotTheMarketLeader]

48 minutes ago, Steve Earle said:

You may have a healthy attitude there, but if you're right, why hasn't the Mercury taken the opportunity to pour cold water on the reports of unrest within the camp?

Maybe because it's true. (?)

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, Leamington Fox said:

I recommend the article by Jonathan Northcroft in the Sunday Times today (sorry no digital access or hyperlink).  He wrote the excellent book on last season's miracle.  His main points are:

 

1.  The recruitment has overall made us weaker not stronger.  Only Slimani has really been a success.  We lost two highly-rated technical scouts, Rob Mackenzie and Ben Wrigglesworth, as well as Steve Walsh.

2.  Mendy, Ahmed, Musa and Hernandez were all long-term targets of Steve Walsh.

3.  Ranieiri's tactical changes have flopped and don't seem to have been understood by the players.

4.  CR's message seems lacklustre.  Just saying "we are fighters" every week begins to wear a bit thin.  The ambitions (first top 10 and now just 40 points) are "grey" and uninspiring.

5.  We've not had the luck we had last season.

6.  Schmeichel, Vardy, Kante and Mahrez were our four world-class players last season.  This season, only Schmeichel has played near to his best and was out for a lengthy period.

7.  Ranieiri does not actually have a history of success over a long period at any given club.  He has 16 jobs and only twice stayed longer than 3 seasons.  He resigned from Atletico Madrid with the club on the brink of relegation.  They did go down that season.

 

That all makes sense to me, but gives me no reason for optimism.

Everyone seems to be essentially copying the John Percy article as they all say exactly the same stuff.

 

One thing I don't buy is the Mendy thing. It just makes absolutely no sense him being a Walsh target to me from what we knew previously.

 

We know we wanted Kante before Ranieri arrived, as soon as he walked in the door we were linked with Mendy and started chasing after him. We know Walsh had to badger Ranieri about going for Kante.

 

Ranieri had worked with Mendy before and he was an entirely different player to Kante with nothing like his stats. The second Walsh leaves he signs Gueye for half the price at Everton and he was someone who had the same stats pattern as Kante.

 

I find all of that nonsensical.

 

Much like the article Percy did a while back about not scouting Kapustka, these leaks feel like someone almost trying to divert the blame from themselves and their involvement.

[The People's Hero]

Some of you need to embrace what it is to be a Leicester fan. 

 

Or did you all show up in the last 6 months? Cast your minds back!

 

We are plucky occasional big-boy-upsetters, we are cruel Wembley defeats, we are defeat from jaws of victory, we are losing our manager when it's all coming together, we are not sacking a manager when it's clear we should, we are 'and leicester', we are regular la manga scandals, we are valuers of hard workers and appreciate that extreme skill will be fleeting amongst our number, we are comfortable generally with mediocrity providing there is some scandal and the occasional cup run or ridiculous against the odds win to keep it exciting. We are middle England, we are yo-yo. We are the original Steve Walsh. We are Iwan Roberts gappy toothy derby slaying grin. We are Matt Heath being our main goal threat. We are Elvis Hammond's mystery drugankle, we are YouTube signing, we are (almost) fosse, We are a procession of cars annually down the m1 to Wembley ( i'm not even from

leicester)

 

this relegation is totally us. Anyone who feels cheated by it or surprised by it has been distracted and forgotten all of the above. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust and Leicester city to yo yo team between top two tiers with regular Wembley heartbreak, cult heroes and the occasional bit of glory. 

 

If if you don't like it, get off the ride !

 

the only think I can't stomach is the lack of effort. Everything else is fair game within the remit of being a Leicester fan. 

 

What we we are not is Steve Walsh the scout or some psychologist or whatever. We are not even our defeats this season. We are just the whole curve. 

 

 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Everyone seems to be essentially copying the John Percy article as they all say exactly the same stuff.

 

One thing I don't buy is the Mendy thing. It just makes absolutely no sense him being a Walsh target to me from what we knew previously.

 

We know we wanted Kante before Ranieri arrived, as soon as he walked in the door we were linked with Mendy and started chasing after him. We know Walsh had to badger Ranieri about going for Kante.

 

Ranieri had worked with Mendy before and he was an entirely different player to Kante with nothing like his stats. The second Walsh leaves he signs Gueye for half the price at Everton and he was someone who had the same stats pattern as Kante.

 

I find all of that nonsensical.

 

Much like the article Percy did a while back about not scouting Kapustka, these leaks feel like someone almost trying to divert the blame from themselves and their involvement.

Totally agree re: Mendy. 

 

That was clearly a Ranieri signing, and I'm not sure why there is any confusion over this. 

[The People's Hero]

We are also that clip of the Leicester fans singing when united relegated us all those years ago. Just remember that. Vardy and Kante and Mahrez are transient. You will still be here. They won't. That trophy win is as much ours as theirs and it's forever part of our incredible story. It's so Leicester it almost makes being champions feel more 'ours'. We've done it in the most Leicester way possible. 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Because he picks the team? Some of our players should have been replaced in the summer. Why didn't it happen? Why are we now stuck with two aging centre backs? 

 

The players have lacked effort all season but there's only one man who can change it all and that's the manager.

 

And don't start with the dof rubbish. When Pearson was here he was responsible, nobody ever brought up Rudkin, but for some reason it's different for Ranieri. 

Nothing to do with overpaid though? Or even a drop in form or just not plain good enough, although Ranieri managed to extract a PL winning side from them last season. I am not exonerating Ranieri from culpability but you can't lay everything at his door. Nevertheless, something has to change I agree and as others have said the manager is often easiest to change. 

[Crinklyfox]

20 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Some of you need to embrace what it is to be a Leicester fan. 

 

Or did you all show up in the last 6 months? Cast your minds back!

 

We are plucky occasional big-boy-upsetters, we are cruel Wembley defeats, we are defeat from jaws of victory, we are losing our manager when it's all coming together, we are not sacking a manager when it's clear we should, we are 'and leicester', we are regular la manga scandals, we are valuers of hard workers and appreciate that extreme skill will be fleeting amongst our number, we are comfortable generally with mediocrity providing there is some scandal and the occasional cup run or ridiculous against the odds win to keep it exciting. We are middle England, we are yo-yo. We are the original Steve Walsh. We are Iwan Roberts gappy toothy derby slaying grin. We are Matt Heath being our main goal threat. We are Elvis Hammond's mystery drugankle, we are YouTube signing, we are (almost) fosse, We are a procession of cars annually down the m1 to Wembley ( i'm not even from

leicester)

 

this relegation is totally us. Anyone who feels cheated by it or surprised by it has been distracted and forgotten all of the above. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust and Leicester city to yo yo team between top two tiers with regular Wembley heartbreak, cult heroes and the occasional bit of glory. 

 

If if you don't like it, get off the ride !

 

the only think I can't stomach is the lack of effort. Everything else is fair game within the remit of being a Leicester fan. 

 

What we we are not is Steve Walsh the scout or some psychologist or whatever. We are not even our defeats this season. We are just the whole curve. 

 

 

We are not doomed to repeat our history.  We have been all of the above but there is no reason that we have to be like that forever, the owners have a vision to transform this club and have tasked Ranieri with building it up so we are no longer the yo-yo team of old.  There are many teams in the league that were great once and are no more and some that were small once but are big now.  The ride I want to see us on is an upward one, so I don't want to see us relegated, the upward path may be rocky and have difficulties as well as successes so I for one am not accepting our current situation as one that we in any way is our fate.

[Guest LCFC_World]

We need a clear out IMO. Last season you could tell the players all believed in eachover (look at them celebrating Vardys goal vs Man Utd). Now, it seems as though there is a bad atmosphere there. 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

40 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Some of you need to embrace what it is to be a Leicester fan. 

 

Or did you all show up in the last 6 months? Cast your minds back!

 

We are plucky occasional big-boy-upsetters, we are cruel Wembley defeats, we are defeat from jaws of victory, we are losing our manager when it's all coming together, we are not sacking a manager when it's clear we should, we are 'and leicester', we are regular la manga scandals, we are valuers of hard workers and appreciate that extreme skill will be fleeting amongst our number, we are comfortable generally with mediocrity providing there is some scandal and the occasional cup run or ridiculous against the odds win to keep it exciting. We are middle England, we are yo-yo. We are the original Steve Walsh. We are Iwan Roberts gappy toothy derby slaying grin. We are Matt Heath being our main goal threat. We are Elvis Hammond's mystery drugankle, we are YouTube signing, we are (almost) fosse, We are a procession of cars annually down the m1 to Wembley ( i'm not even from

leicester)

 

this relegation is totally us. Anyone who feels cheated by it or surprised by it has been distracted and forgotten all of the above. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust and Leicester city to yo yo team between top two tiers with regular Wembley heartbreak, cult heroes and the occasional bit of glory. 

 

If if you don't like it, get off the ride !

 

the only think I can't stomach is the lack of effort. Everything else is fair game within the remit of being a Leicester fan. 

 

What we we are not is Steve Walsh the scout or some psychologist or whatever. We are not even our defeats this season. We are just the whole curve. 

 

 

No, that's our history and very proud one to have. If you don't have ambition or expectation in sport or life you might as well stop at trying in both. The club is different than in the past and we do have sugar daddy who on the outside seems to want to push for something bigger and greater than that. Having ambition doesn't make you any less of Leicester fan and that just is a daft argument anyway. People wouldn't be wasting there time posting on a forum if they were in fact glory fans. 

 

For or where we are, what we have become, this season has not been up to that standard. That doesn't mean we should be chasing Chelsea down at the top of the league. It does mean we should spending our money with a bit more sense and giving teams like Burnley more of a game than we have.

[foxile5]

They may not have gone and voiced concerns to the chairmen, but in not turning up the players have committed the ultimate betrayal. If they're not giving their all there is no point in managing them...it's a fools errand to try. This shower have put nothing in this season. 

[somebum]

55 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Some of you need to embrace what it is to be a Leicester fan. 

 

Or did you all show up in the last 6 months? Cast your minds back!

 

We are plucky occasional big-boy-upsetters, we are cruel Wembley defeats, we are defeat from jaws of victory, we are losing our manager when it's all coming together, we are not sacking a manager when it's clear we should, we are 'and leicester', we are regular la manga scandals, we are valuers of hard workers and appreciate that extreme skill will be fleeting amongst our number, we are comfortable generally with mediocrity providing there is some scandal and the occasional cup run or ridiculous against the odds win to keep it exciting. We are middle England, we are yo-yo. We are the original Steve Walsh. We are Iwan Roberts gappy toothy derby slaying grin. We are Matt Heath being our main goal threat. We are Elvis Hammond's mystery drugankle, we are YouTube signing, we are (almost) fosse, We are a procession of cars annually down the m1 to Wembley ( i'm not even from

leicester)

 

this relegation is totally us. Anyone who feels cheated by it or surprised by it has been distracted and forgotten all of the above. Ashes to ashes. Dust to dust and Leicester city to yo yo team between top two tiers with regular Wembley heartbreak, cult heroes and the occasional bit of glory. 

 

If if you don't like it, get off the ride !

 

the only think I can't stomach is the lack of effort. Everything else is fair game within the remit of being a Leicester fan. 

 

What we we are not is Steve Walsh the scout or some psychologist or whatever. We are not even our defeats this season. We are just the whole curve. 

 

 

We are the M25 of Football Clubs

[The People's Hero]

15 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

No, that's our history and very proud one to have. If you don't have ambition or expectation in sport or life you might as well stop at trying in both. The club is different than in the past and we do have sugar daddy who on the outside seems to want to push for something bigger and greater than that. Having ambition doesn't make you any less of Leicester fan and that just is a daft argument anyway. People wouldn't be wasting there time posting on a forum if they were in fact glory fans. 

 

For or where we are, what we have become, this season has not been up to that standard. That doesn't mean we should be chasing Chelsea down at the top of the league. It does mean we should spending our money with a bit more sense and giving teams like Burnley more of a game than we have.

Of course but you shouldn't set your expectation against one season. 

 

The most i expect and will ever expect from this team is to put in 100% effort and compete. We are not entitled to any more than that. Something to have a bit of pride in. 

 

Perhaps we are looking for different things from supporting our club. I don't need success to affirm and justify that support, just effort and endeavour and something to believe in. 

 

I do note however that you think I'm daft. I would point out that we will at some point be relegated again and will certainly spend more money unwisely at some point. Your expectation is different. When this happens, which club will you support then ? 

 

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, norwichfox said:

Must be an avid reader of this forum to have come to those conclusions......

Or just doing his research and watching matches.

[norwichfox]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

Or just doing his research and watching matches.

You don't get transfer info by watching matches, and you don't get incorrect transfer info by researching proper sources. Cut price Murdoch journalist  performance.

[MPH]

2 hours ago, The People's Hero said:

Remember when we were switching it up between Poole and ward ? Golden times 

 

 

Kevin Poole... the goalkeeper who dropped his player of the year trophy...

[VLC86]

13 minutes ago, norwichfox said:

You don't get transfer info by watching matches, and you don't get incorrect transfer info by researching proper sources. Cut price Murdoch journalist  performance.

So we're you not aware that we had lost Mackenzie and the other guy in the last 18 months? Did you not see us continually linked with Musa, Hernandez etc when Walsh was still here? 

 

Are you saying Ranieris tactics have been a hit this season and we have had the same luck?

 

Struggking to see how you don't believe someone could find them facts out anywhere other than here to be honest.

[norwichfox]

32 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

So we're you not aware that we had lost Mackenzie and the other guy in the last 18 months? Did you not see us continually linked with Musa, Hernandez etc when Walsh was still here? 

 

Are you saying Ranieris tactics have been a hit this season and we have had the same luck?

 

Struggking to see how you don't believe someone could find them facts out anywhere other than here to be honest.

Carry on Struggking then....I don't do arguments

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, The People's Hero said:

Of course but you shouldn't set your expectation against one season. 

 

The most i expect and will ever expect from this team is to put in 100% effort and compete. We are not entitled to any more than that. Something to have a bit of pride in. 

 

Perhaps we are looking for different things from supporting our club. I don't need success to affirm and justify that support, just effort and endeavour and something to believe in. 

 

I do note however that you think I'm daft. I would point out that we will at some point be relegated again and will certainly spend more money unwisely at some point. Your expectation is different. When this happens, which club will you support then ? 

 

Apologies, just to clear it up, I do not think you're daft at all. I do think the argument is daft that having ambition makes you any less of a Leicester city fan to someone who may not have the same ambition. Sorry if that didn't come across clearly.

 

On your points:

 

1. We haven't had 100% effort from any aspects of the football club this year. Whether it be the management or the players. Actually,  maybe there has been effort but it's not delivered what you'd expect. The vast increases in prices be it shirts, membership or tickets would suggest as fans that we should be entitled to more than the horseshit that's been served up. This isn't based on one season of success it's the club as whole. We spent £30 million on one player, surely we would be expecting to compete at a different level to when we were bringing in Charlie Miller on loan from rangers? The club seem to be happy to be charging us on one season of extradoniary success anyway;

 

2. If the efforts there, the success comes. Success is not winning the premier league. It's, like you said, getting the odd result and at times punching above our weight. I have (and I am sure you have) seen some pretty dire stuff since choosing to support the club. I have also seen some outstanding things. And that's not just last year. I expect to compete, which we haven't done an awful lot of this year. I will also say, that had we had that effort this year based on the players we have we would not be where we are;

 

3. Man City not too long ago were in the same position. They acquired a vast amount of money and are now part of the elite. We clearly do not have the perks of Arab money but we do have the backing of owners who in some aspects put us above teams like WBA, Watford and Burnley financially - we are not asking them to punch above their weight but to match those ambitions which the club has set itself;

 

4. Mate, I've followed this club under pleat and league one. One relegation does not define my allegiance - I'll be here and whether they like it or not, so will my kids. Hence, my argument that questioning loyalty on ambition, is daft.