Those saying "who else would we appoint?"

[FLAN]

23 minutes ago, Thracian said:

I don't get all this continued praise/respect/confidence in Ranieri.

 

Last season's been and gone. Whatever Ranieri's contribution to that incomparable success for our club it's been alluded to many times and he's been well congratulated.

 

The 1916/1917 campaign was a totally new chapter and a manager starting from the marvellous position of having a champion team, plenty of money to strengthen well-known weaknesses, minimal departures and totally supportive owners from where I sit.

 

And what has he made of a situation some managers never get the chance to enjoy? He's made a mess, that's what.

 

Not a mistake or two.

 

But a complete mess that'll take more cleaning up than the Torrey Canyon spillage, in a sporting sense..   
 

 

I can't remember that far back 

[Thracian]

5 minutes ago, FLAN said:

I can't remember that far back 

Thanks Flan - senility setting in!  All corrected now. 

[bald reynard]

ROBERTO MANCINI - I'm amazed he's not being talked up more.  Ex-City (well, sort of !) and good Premier League management experience.  He did well at Man City (60% win ratio - as good as Pellegrini - and Pep at present) and at Inter and Galatasary.  Currently available - he left Inter 6 months ago (by mutual consent) - and so would be an inexpensive choice !   He could even work with Claudio, if they want to 'boot him upstairs' - they probably know each other well and speak the same language (literally and in terms of style of football).

[Guest Bilo]

 Guus Hiddink on a short term deal, Roberto Mancini, Marcelo Bielsa and Juande Ramos are all out of work at the moment. 

 

In terms of realistic appointments; David Wagner and Garry Monk are both doing well in the Championship, and the latter was extremely unfortunate to get the sack from Swansea last season,

[Matt]

Anyone put the betting list up yet?

 

We all know after Pearson's sacking/Ranieri's appointment manager's betting odds can be a load of bollocks but even so it puts some names out there and some kind of guideline.

 

https://sports.paddypower.mobi/#sport/115/competition/7483/event/11855500

 

Very surprised to see Pearson 2nd fav. As much as I really want him to come back I just cannot see it, from his point of view and the owners. 

 

That said he was talking about the owners in a friendly, complimentary and positive way yesterday on 5live, although I guess that's called being professional.

 

I'm not saying Pearson will keep us up, however he is the best man to bring us back up. Rowett being 2nd to Pearson in that regard.

[Donut]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Anyone put the betting list up yet?

 

We all know after Pearson's sacking/Ranieri's appointment manager's betting odds can be a load of bollocks but even so it puts some names out there and some kind of guideline.

 

https://sports.paddypower.mobi/#sport/115/competition/7483/event/11855500

 

Very surprised to see Pearson 2nd fav. As much as I really want him to come back I just cannot see it, from his point of view and the owners. 

 

That said he was talking about the owners in a friendly, complimentary and positive way yesterday on 5live, although I guess that's called being professional.

 

I'm not saying Pearson will keep us up, however he is the best man to bring us back up. Rowett being 2nd to Pearson in that regard.

Why quote betting markets? We have a manager.

[Matt]

Just now, Donut said:

Why quote betting markets? We have a manager.

All things come to an end. 

 

Besides with that attitude why are we even having this discussion? We have a manager.

[Donut]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

All things come to an end. 

 

Besides with that attitude why are we even having this discussion? We have a manager.

So you could be talking next manager odds in 3 years time then?

 

The attitude is youre talking like theres no one in charge. More than a little disrespectful.

[dannythefox]

Gary Rowett for me. Back to basics, give him 11/12 premiership games with no pressure and see what he does. Knows the championship and will get the best out of grey. 

[Spiritwalker]

9 minutes ago, Matt said:

Anyone put the betting list up yet?

 

We all know after Pearson's sacking/Ranieri's appointment manager's betting odds can be a load of bollocks but even so it puts some names out there and some kind of guideline.

 

https://sports.paddypower.mobi/#sport/115/competition/7483/event/11855500

 

Very surprised to see Pearson 2nd fav. As much as I really want him to come back I just cannot see it, from his point of view and the owners. 

 

That said he was talking about the owners in a friendly, complimentary and positive way yesterday on 5live, although I guess that's called being professional.

 

I'm not saying Pearson will keep us up, however he is the best man to bring us back up. Rowett being 2nd to Pearson in that regard.

I think one of the office juniors has drawn up that list, Avram Grant, Gary Megson and Bob Bradley.

All that's missing is Peter Reid and Ian Dowie.

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, Donut said:

So you could be talking next manager odds in 3 years time then?

 

The attitude is youre talking like theres no one in charge. More than a little disrespectful.

Potentially, if Ranieri turns this round.

 

If you have a look on the site there are markets for Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Scotland, West Ham and ourselves.

 

The next Arsenal manager is quite often discussed quite openly amongst media and fans, is that disrespectful too?

 

The fact is something needs to change, hopefully it's an upturn in our form and we can look back on this and laugh, unfortunately I don't think it will and this subject needs discussing.

 

Now if you'd rather bury your head in the sand so be it.

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

I think one of the office juniors has drawn up that list, Avram Grant, Gary Megson and Bob Bradley.

All that's missing is Peter Reid and Ian Dowie.

 

Yeah I did have a laugh at some of the names but there are always some weird and wonderful names on these lists. The fact there is no Mancini (realistic or not) on the list is quite outrageous.

[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, Donut said:

So you could be talking next manager odds in 3 years time then?

 

The attitude is youre talking like theres no one in charge. More than a little disrespectful.

I'm not sure you quite understand what football message boards are for.

[bald reynard]

8 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

Yeah I did have a laugh at some of the names but there are always some weird and wonderful names on these lists. The fact there is no Mancini (realistic or not) on the list is quite outrageous.

Yes !  As I say above, he is exactly what we want.  If the owners decide to 'honour' Claudio with a continued role at the club (a Directorship, or similar), Mancini is the ideal choice as Team Manager / Coach.  With their similar backgrounds, there's a good chance he would be able to work with CR.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Is Pearson a better manager than Ranieri in your opinion?

I don't think you can truly compare the two. Pearson for his flaws has only really managed us and Hull. Both were in the championship (and league one in our case) and both needed major rebuilds. In both cases he did a good job. Where he hasn't been tested is in the top league, with real money to spend. Building a team with a healthy budget in championship is one thing. Building a team in the premier league is a whole different ball game. His personality shortcomings in terms on the corporate side has cost him in that respect and that's a flaw he needs to very quickly lose. He's technically been out of a job for 18 months (not including his stint at Derby) but while being considered has not been offered or truly pursued by any of the jobs that have come available in that time. That must be linked to his anger. I rated him for what he did for us as we were always in a safe out of hands but that is also linked to Walsh picking the players and Shakespeare coaching them well. Pearson gets credit for properly managing those elements he couldn't do well on his own. His work for us after two spells left us in a better position than when he first took over.

 

Ranieri has managed some of the biggest clubs in Europe and been tested in European arena well throughout his career. What has he done well? Parma, Chelsea before the catastrophic error in the champions league and his early days as manager of Cagliari. I do think he is flawed as many of his shortcomings come to the forefront over and over again. The Chelsea player who walked into the dressing after Monaco away and questioned the tactics. Juan "King of Chelsea" Veron, despite advice not to pursue him and to pursue Makelele instead (similar Kante/Mendy/Inler), Inter players falling out with him. Totti (as well as others) falling out with him. Drastic drop in form at Roma, Inter and Juve. He is flawed. I also believe he has a stubborn mentality (my opinion based on decisions) where coaching staff, innovation and things which work are ignored. He also does not have a proactive approach to management. 

 

Great media persona (which I don't buy on points I've made earlier) tends to make him likeable to some people but he doesn't half leave a trail of destruction in his path.

 

In conclusion, I do not think either man is suited to take us forward. As I've said previously, Pearson without Walsh is an unknown. It is far too uncertain (every manager has an element of uncertainty) for us at the moment. 

 

We we need a manager who can manage the club, hire the right people, bring in new ideas and have a consistency in his approach. I also want a man who treats those around him well and not just comes across as someone who who is honourable but actually is. Some people seem to be more concerned with people not liking ranieri than what is actually being done to our club at present. What is happening to Leicester is not normal. It is a destruction and a destruction of this sort was last seen under media persona extraordinaire, Peter Taylor - how many ex players did he piss off.

 

 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

There is not a chance in hell that we'd get Gus Hiddink or Mancini here.  None whatsoever.

 

Rowett is the best, realistic option.  Should not have been sacked by Brum and they're certainly worse off as a result.  

 

He's done everything right in his management career so far, plays really neat attacking football, would be relatively inexpensive and if we were to be relegated, would be a good figurehead to lead us back.

[Stadt]

This season has made me realise that it's imperative to be set up well off the pitch, having a Les Reed type character behind the scenes is probably worth hundreds of millions of pounds because you've got some sense when it comes important decisions. Instead we have Rudkin/Neville or whoever.

[Koke]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I don't think you can truly compare the two. Pearson for his flaws has only really managed us and Hull. Both were in the championship (and league one in our case) and both needed major rebuilds. In both cases he did a good job. Where he hasn't been tested is in the top league, with real money to spend. Building a team with a healthy budget in championship is one thing. Building a team in the premier league is a whole different ball game. His personality shortcomings in terms on the corporate side has cost him in that respect and that's a flaw he needs to very quickly lose. He's technically been out of a job for 18 months (not including his stint at Derby) but while being considered has not been offered or truly pursued by any of the jobs that have come available in that time. That must be linked to his anger. I rated him for what he did for us as we were always in a safe out of hands but that is also linked to Walsh picking the players and Shakespeare coaching them well. Pearson gets credit for properly managing those elements he couldn't do well on his own. His work for us after two spells left us in a better position than when he first took over.

 

Ranieri has managed some of the biggest clubs in Europe and been tested in European arena well throughout his career. What has he done well? Parma, Chelsea before the catastrophic error in the champions league and his early days as manager of Cagliari. I do think he is flawed as many of his shortcomings come to the forefront over and over again. The Chelsea player who walked into the dressing after Monaco away and questioned the tactics. Juan "King of Chelsea" Veron, despite advice not to pursue him and to pursue Makelele instead (similar Kante/Mendy/Inler), Inter players falling out with him. Totti (as well as others) falling out with him. Drastic drop in form at Roma, Inter and Juve. He is flawed. I also believe he has a stubborn mentality (my opinion based on decisions) where coaching staff, innovation and things which work are ignored. He also does not have a proactive approach to management. 

 

Great media persona (which I don't buy on points I've made earlier) tends to make him likeable to some people but he doesn't half leave a trail of destruction in his path.

 

In conclusion, I do not think either man is suited to take us forward. As I've said previously, Pearson without Walsh is an unknown. It is far too uncertain (every manager has an element of uncertainty) for us at the moment. 

 

We we need a manager who can manage the club, hire the right people, bring in new ideas and have a consistency in his approach. I also want a man who treats those around him well and not just comes across as someone who who is honourable but actually is. Some people seem to be more concerned with people not liking ranieri than what is actually being done to our club at present. What is happening to Leicester is not normal. It is a destruction and a destruction of this sort was last seen under media persona extraordinaire, Peter Taylor - how many ex players did he piss off.

 

 

 

Very good points. Excellent post.

 

Watching this makes me miss Pearson. 

 

 

[Blue ROI]

I'd say its time for MON!

 

Michael O'Neill of Northern Ireland.

[Dan]

On 13/02/2017 at 18:50, Mickyblueeyes said:

I don't think you can truly compare the two. Pearson for his flaws has only really managed us and Hull. Both were in the championship (and league one in our case) and both needed major rebuilds. In both cases he did a good job. Where he hasn't been tested is in the top league, with real money to spend. Building a team with a healthy budget in championship is one thing. Building a team in the premier league is a whole different ball game. His personality shortcomings in terms on the corporate side has cost him in that respect and that's a flaw he needs to very quickly lose. He's technically been out of a job for 18 months (not including his stint at Derby) but while being considered has not been offered or truly pursued by any of the jobs that have come available in that time. That must be linked to his anger. I rated him for what he did for us as we were always in a safe out of hands but that is also linked to Walsh picking the players and Shakespeare coaching them well. Pearson gets credit for properly managing those elements he couldn't do well on his own. His work for us after two spells left us in a better position than when he first took over.

 

Ranieri has managed some of the biggest clubs in Europe and been tested in European arena well throughout his career. What has he done well? Parma, Chelsea before the catastrophic error in the champions league and his early days as manager of Cagliari. I do think he is flawed as many of his shortcomings come to the forefront over and over again. The Chelsea player who walked into the dressing after Monaco away and questioned the tactics. Juan "King of Chelsea" Veron, despite advice not to pursue him and to pursue Makelele instead (similar Kante/Mendy/Inler), Inter players falling out with him. Totti (as well as others) falling out with him. Drastic drop in form at Roma, Inter and Juve. He is flawed. I also believe he has a stubborn mentality (my opinion based on decisions) where coaching staff, innovation and things which work are ignored. He also does not have a proactive approach to management. 

 

Great media persona (which I don't buy on points I've made earlier) tends to make him likeable to some people but he doesn't half leave a trail of destruction in his path.

 

In conclusion, I do not think either man is suited to take us forward. As I've said previously, Pearson without Walsh is an unknown. It is far too uncertain (every manager has an element of uncertainty) for us at the moment. 

 

We we need a manager who can manage the club, hire the right people, bring in new ideas and have a consistency in his approach. I also want a man who treats those around him well and not just comes across as someone who who is honourable but actually is. Some people seem to be more concerned with people not liking ranieri than what is actually being done to our club at present. What is happening to Leicester is not normal. It is a destruction and a destruction of this sort was last seen under media persona extraordinaire, Peter Taylor - how many ex players did he piss off.

 

 

Could not have put it any better.

[Chico1958]

Monk

 

But only if we go down and Leeds don't go up

 

Other than that, Claudio has my backing.

 

Perhaps we should be looking for someone to replace Walsh rather than the man who's taking the flack for the Team

 

Perhaps the question should be who do we buy to replace Vardy, Drinkwater, Rihad,Simpson, Fuchs, Morgan and Huth.

 

 

[Chico1958]

On 13/02/2017 at 19:00, Realist Guy In The Room said:

There is not a chance in hell that we'd get Gus Hiddink or Mancini here.  None whatsoever.

 

Rowett is the best, realistic option.  Should not have been sacked by Brum and they're certainly worse off as a result.  

 

He's done everything right in his management career so far, plays really neat attacking football, would be relatively inexpensive and if we were to be relegated, would be a good figurehead to lead us back.

Would he win us the league though  ?

[Realist Guy In The Room]

23 minutes ago, Chico1958 said:

Would he win us the league though  ?

We didnt appoint Claudio to win us the league.

 

That particular brand of lightning wont strike here or anywhere else ever again.

 

 

[Buzzell]

On 12/02/2017 at 18:28, Mickyblueeyes said:

Sorry mate, I don't respect him. 

You don't respect the man that won us the Premier League title? Behave. 

[Chico1958]

18 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

We didnt appoint Claudio to win us the league.

 

That particular brand of lightning wont strike here or anywhere else ever again.

 

 

Point well made.

 

But he did

 

And one lightning strike is enough