Hull (H) Post Match Thread 3 - 1

[Guest the fox]

27 minutes ago, Babylon said:

1) yes or no

 

2) it's no more important than the first goal. Take either away and you still get the same score.

1- performance, no! But goals win games. So, if you score then you deserve a high note. Being dangerous is good and all but being a goal scorer is better. Just take gray for example. He has all the pace and power but still no end product while players like mahrez are the ones that give you titles (remember last year when mahrez scored the goal in an away 1-0 win in more that one game)

 

2- but it gave the team momentum, Fuchs's goals was very important and would've gave the team a point. But, mahrez's goal gave the team 3.

[Mythyaar]

59 minutes ago, FireFox said:

On the stream, they were saying it was Okazaki coming off for Gray.

 

Just because Mahrez scored and the substitution didn't happen right away, doesn't mean it was Mahrez coming off.

No, Mahrez was definitely coming off and he knew it. Who knows; that may have inspired his goal. From what I saw (with my own eyes) Mahrez put in far more of a shift than he has of recent, and always looked a threat when in their half. He gave away possession a few times but the crowd were largely supportive of the effort he put in (tracking back far more than usual), and gave him a standing ovation when he was eventually subbed: I accept partly for that goal, but only he on the field of play at that time could have crafted that space and finished it.

[AjcW]

He was shit. Very shit. Then he scored a very good goal, it's as simple as that for me. 

 

Tonnes of misplaced passes

No desire to win back misplaced passes

No desire to track back and help Simpson

 

But he's close to undroppable because he can do what he did. 

 

[foxes21]

15 minutes ago, AjcW said:

He was shit. Very shit. Then he scored a very good goal, it's as simple as that for me. 

 

Tonnes of misplaced passes

No desire to win back misplaced passes

No desire to track back and help Simpson

 

But he's close to undroppable because he can do what he did. 

 

Is this about Mahrez? A bit harsh, I thought he tracked back well against Hull.

[Guest the fox]

26 minutes ago, AjcW said:

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Tonnes of misplaced passes

No desire to win back misplaced passes

No desire to track back and help Simpson

 

But he's close to undroppable because he can do what he did. 

 

1-You mean 9 misplaced passes ( most of them are crosses)

 

2- you mean like the one when he tracked back the Player that went past Simpson and dispossessed him

 

3-most of the people that watched him on TV and in the stadium said that he worked harder than before

[FireFox]

26 minutes ago, Mythyaar said:

No, Mahrez was definitely coming off and he knew it.

And your evidence for this statement?

 

The English commentators are usually very accurate about substitutions, being told by someone near the benches what is going on.

[Mythyaar]

30 minutes ago, FireFox said:

And your evidence for this statement?

 

 

We were watching Mahrez as Gray was getting readied for coming on. His instant reaction was to shake his head. You could be right, maybe it wasn't him going to be subbed, but he definitely thought he was.

[MrSpaM]

He was better than Gray let's put it that way, especially at tracking back

[Guest the fox]

7 minutes ago, Mythyaar said:

We were watching Mahrez as Gray was getting readied for coming on. His instant reaction was to shake his head. You could be right, maybe it wasn't him going to be subbed, but he definitely thought he was.

Am I the only one that sees his reaction a little OTT?

[Slim Dog]

3 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

He was better than Gray let's put it that way, especially at tracking back

Mahrez is often caught up the pitch and tends to sprint back making it look like he's trying. Grays better at picking when to sit or go.

[shen]

Mahrez definitely had his best game of 2017 so far. Yes, he was frustrating with his poor final balls first half and his wonky first touch, but he worked hard defensively and constantly asked for the ball. Upped himself a lot second half and had a decent effort just before his splendid goal. 

He'll only get better in the coming weeks, I'm sure of that.

[Babylon]

11 hours ago, the fox said:

1- performance, no! But goals win games. So, if you score then you deserve a high note. Being dangerous is good and all but being a goal scorer is better. Just take gray for example. He has all the pace and power but still no end product while players like mahrez are the ones that give you titles (remember last year when mahrez scored the goal in an away 1-0 win in more that one game)

 

2- but it gave the team momentum, Fuchs's goals was very important and would've gave the team a point. But, mahrez's goal gave the team 3.

You really struggle to give a single word answer, the point is he wasn't anywhere close to being better than our players, thus proving that the points based system is total nonsense.
 

[AjcW]

12 hours ago, foxes21 said:

Is this about Mahrez? A bit harsh, I thought he tracked back well against Hull.

It's easy to criticise unpopular players, most on here have done it throughout the season. But apparently criticising Mahrez gets whoever sticks up for him a but load of rep points   

 

We all see the game differently, but I was there and I was around a lot of very frustrated people with the way Mahrez played so just voicing that opinion. 

 

12 hours ago, the fox said:

1-You mean 9 misplaced passes ( most of them are crosses) - No they weren't, it was every time he cut inside and tried to pass to JV put JV had already ran into space like he's supposed to! He doesn't think before he passes, he's almost already completed a pass before putting his head up to see where it has gone!

 

2- you mean like the one when he tracked back the Player that went past Simpson and dispossessed him - I'm not going to congratulate a player of his calibre for making one tackle

 

3-most of the people that watched him on TV and in the stadium said that he worked harder than before - As said above, that's fine and everyone entitled to different opinions from different viewpoints  

 

[foxinsocks]

10 hours ago, shen said:

Mahrez definitely had his best game of 2017 so far. Yes, he was frustrating with his poor final balls first half and his wonky first touch, but he worked hard defensively and constantly asked for the ball. Upped himself a lot second half and had a decent effort just before his splendid goal. 

He'll only get better in the coming weeks, I'm sure of that.

This is a reasonable assessment. Imo mahrez needs some 1 to 1 mentoring so that he can adjust his game.  Eg. If he is double or triple marked then he should play the ball in early... ironically by doing this early they may disist with the extra attention and thus he will have more chance to dribble.

I still feel grey is strong in form and confidence but he needs to develop more options than cutting in and shooting

[Finnegan]

12 hours ago, AjcW said:

He was shit. Very shit. Then he scored a very good goal, it's as simple as that for me. 

 

Tonnes of misplaced passes

No desire to win back misplaced passes

No desire to track back and help Simpson

 

But he's close to undroppable because he can do what he did. 

 

 

What the **** were you watching?

 

Braindead.

[st albans fox]

Assume the comment that Riyad had his best game of 2017 is just that - this year. So his best game in about 8? Certainly wasn't his best game this season by a long way. (And his standards this season have hardly been astronomical! 

 

 

[AjcW]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

What the **** were you watching?

 

Braindead.

As i've said above, maybe people can be influenced by those around them feeling the same way and voicing it. I had the perfect view of his efforts in the first half and they were terrible IN MY OPINION. Second half he was on the other side so I may have missed an uptake in effort if there was any (judging by peoples reactions there seems to have been!)

 

I'm sure you've got angry at plenty of individuals this season and i'd certainly never launch a reply like that at you.

[Thracian]

13 hours ago, Babylon said:

2) so you think Clucas was the second best player on the pitch? Yes or No?

 

3) I'm using their system to show you how deeply flawed it is. It's not a reflection of an overall performance when one single event takes you from one of the worst to one of the best.

 

If you want to hand out MOTM to people on the back of one incident that's fair enough. My view is that it should go to the best player over the 90.

~The problem is in defining "best". Is it by industry or effect?

Even with a goal it might be tricky.

A goal when you lose 4-1 has no effect while a goal that sees us win 1-0 is vital. And it's not just goals that make a difference.

Kasper had a pretty quiet afternoon against Hull but the one significant save he made  seemed pretty important at the time.

If, for argument's sake, he had nothing to do the rest of the time but prevented what might have been a result-changing goal, how high his rating?

 I try to balance both but am not at all sure I get it right on reflection. Things can be forgotten, not seen clearly or the quiet competence of a performance might be overshadowed by the more obvious or spectacular.

Albrighton's a bit like this. And so frustrating. He works like a trojan at his best and with great supportive benefit at times. But so often, when you expect a bit of "special" he disappoints and he ends up with a "nearly" mark like a six or seven. Simpson's the same. Unspectacularly valuable at his best but very rarely specific enough to rate anything over 7 even though the "sum of parts" in his contribution might actually be excellent. .

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[Finnegan]

6 minutes ago, AjcW said:

As i've said above, maybe people can be influenced by those around them feeling the same way and voicing it. I had the perfect view of his efforts in the first half and they were terrible IN MY OPINION. Second half he was on the other side so I may have missed an uptake in effort if there was any (judging by peoples reactions there seems to have been!)

 

I'm sure you've got angry at plenty of individuals this season and i'd certainly never launch a reply like that at you.

 

Don't patronise me, if there's one thing I can say with confidence it's that my opinions are my own and I'm not shy of upsetting people with them.

 

But the majority voice is right in this instance, it was Mahrez best game in a while and calling him "very, very poor" is abject stupidity.

 

There are always (even at his best) times when I feel Riyad should work harder to get to the ball but for the most part he worked hard against Hull. I even distinctly remember him making a couple of successful tackles!

 

If anyone quite obviously has a clear bias here, it's you. You seem to be trying a little too hard to be some kind of dissenting voice (not really for the first time.)

 

The voice of the majority isn't always wrong. What's the line from the Rabbi? First time someone calls you a horse you tell him to **** off, second time someone calls you a horse, you punch him. The third time? It's probably time to start looking for a saddle.

 

If most of the fan base thought Mahrez had a good game, it's probably not them that's wrong when you think he was shit.

[AjcW]

33 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Don't patronise me, if there's one thing I can say with confidence it's that my opinions are my own and I'm not shy of upsetting people with them.

 

But the majority voice is right in this instance, it was Mahrez best game in a while and calling him "very, very poor" is abject stupidity.

 

There are always (even at his best) times when I feel Riyad should work harder to get to the ball but for the most part he worked hard against Hull. I even distinctly remember him making a couple of successful tackles!

 

If anyone quite obviously has a clear bias here, it's you. You seem to be trying a little too hard to be some kind of dissenting voice (not really for the first time.)

 

The voice of the majority isn't always wrong. What's the line from the Rabbi? First time someone calls you a horse you tell him to **** off, second time someone calls you a horse, you punch him. The third time? It's probably time to start looking for a saddle.

 

If most of the fan base thought Mahrez had a good game, it's probably not them that's wrong when you think he was shit.

But I haven't had a go at you for your opinion, or anyone else for that matter, all i've done is give a counter argument. I might be wrong, but like you I don't particularly care if I am, i'm still going to say how I feel.

 

I have absolutely no interest in a personal vendetta against Mahrez so not sure what you're getting at there either, I love the guy, his first touch/control is the best in the league, but on Saturday I just thought he wan't at it until he scored. And I wasn't the only one i'm just the only one replying  There's a ten page thread called "can we keep carrying Mahrez" so whether it's this week or another one i'm not the only person annoyed at his effort. (By the way I haven't commented in that thread once so i'm obviously not trying to start something against him!)

 

Not entirely sure what you mean by the bit in bold but happy to listen, the only other player i've been harsh on this season is Simpson. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and another thing! I've literally agreed with you on that exact point in the first sentence so I have no idea why you think I was patronising you! I mean word for word I've said "I'm sure you've got angry at plenty of individuals this season and i'd certainly never launch a reply like that at you."  

 

[Nugent]

20 hours ago, Babylon said:

Not read the whole thread... but am I the only one who didn't think we were great? I thought we were bloody frustrating, controlled large periods of the ball but seemed massively reluctant to actually run at them other than Vardy. Numerous times there seemed a huge amount of space for players to try and get at, but we preferred to just knock it wide. Thought the tempo was quite poor as well, other than perhaps Vardy and Albrighton.

 

Agreed, there was a fair few times where Drinkwater had 20-30 yards of clear space to drive into with intent, but instead ambled forward slowly before knocking it out to the wing, allowing Hull players to get back behind the ball. Annoying, especially when you've got Vardy hanging on the shoulder of the last man begging for the ball to be put through.

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

But I haven't had a go at you for your opinion, or anyone else for that matter, all i've done is give a counter argument. I might be wrong, but like you I don't particularly care if I am, i'm still going to say how I feel.

 

I have absolutely no interest in a personal vendetta against Mahrez so not sure what you're getting at there either, I love the guy, his first touch/control is the best in the league, but on Saturday I just thought he wan't at it until he scored. And I wasn't the only one i'm just the only one replying  There's a ten page thread called "can we keep carrying Mahrez" so whether it's this week or another one i'm not the only person annoyed at his effort. (By the way I haven't commented in that thread once so i'm obviously not trying to start something against him!)

 

Not entirely sure what you mean by the bit in bold but happy to listen, the only other player i've been harsh on this season is Simpson. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and another thing! I've literally agreed with you on that exact point in the first sentence so I have no idea why you think I was patronising you! I mean word for word I've said "I'm sure you've got angry at plenty of individuals this season and i'd certainly never launch a reply like that at you."  

 

 

There's a ten page thread about Mahrez because he's been largely guff earlier this season.

 

You've come in to the match thread after a game in which he was vastly improved and still claimed he was "very, very shit." A lot of people have disagreed with you (because you're wrong) and you've claimed they're all just being mislead.

 

 

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

There's a ten page thread about Mahrez because he's been largely guff earlier this season.

 

You've come in to the match thread after a game in which he was vastly improved and still claimed he was "very, very shit." A lot of people have disagreed with you (because you're wrong) and you've claimed they're all just being mislead.

 

 

No my actual comment was perhaps I have been mislead by the general opinion around me at the game and my viewpoint.

 

"As i've said above, maybe people can be influenced by those around them feeling the same way and voicing it. I had the perfect view of his efforts in the first half and they were terrible IN MY OPINION."

 

Possibly that was unclear as I said "People" and not "I" apologies if that has lead to confusion.

[shen]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Assume the comment that Riyad had his best game of 2017 is just that - this year. So his best game in about 8? Certainly wasn't his best game this season by a long way. (And his standards this season have hardly been astronomical! 

 

 

I would say it was one of his best performances this season, which as you correctly say, speaks volumes in itself considering his levels last season. The game against Man City springs to mind as a good one, but frankly, bar a brace against a shocking Brugge side, he's not produced much of note. Maybe my memory is failing me, but has he really set the bar much higher this season?

He has been particularly indifferent in 2017, so I'm very much encouraged by his performance on Saturday

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, shen said:

I would say it was one of his best performances this season, which as you correctly say, speaks volumes in itself considering his levels last season. The game against Man City springs to mind as a good one, but frankly, bar a brace against a shocking Brugge side, he's not produced much of note. Maybe my memory is failing me, but has he really set the bar much higher this season?

He has been particularly indifferent in 2017, so I'm very much encouraged by his performance on Saturday

I think his best performance was home to Burnley. He hasn't reached the levels he did last year but he hasn't been quite as gash as most would have you believe.