Thracian Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 1-12 on betfair A desperately dark day in our history if they're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 I worded that badly, my point about your original post still stands. You're as stubborn as my wife, I accept your apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 The EU provides a lot of funding to Cornwall too so it would be interesting to see how it would affect the region if Brexit won. Leave has provided a better argument for sovereignty and immigration and Remain has made a better case for the economy with a whole lot of nonsense at the same time from both sides. I think most will vote not on whether they will better or worse off but on which of those issues is more important to them. I always vote but this is the first time I have voted were I feel that my vote is really important. I hope the turnout is good at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPinCarolina Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 I have decided to vote out despite my previous thoughts on the referendum. Watching the news and seeing all these remain supporters claiming that our workers rights and human rights would cease to exist have really annoyed me. Who cares if food in Aldi is a few pence more expensive. Aldi is the absolute tops. Everyone in the States slags it off because it's too Spartan for their liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 How do you think the main players voted in the privacy of the booth? I'll go. Cameron (remain) Corbyn (leave) Johnson (remain) Gove (leave) Sturgeon (leave) Farage (remain) May (leave) Osborne (remain) McDonnell (leave) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 A desperately dark day in our history if they're right. From a man who believes we should scrap democracy and install an authoritarian regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 A desperately dark day in our history if they're right. Don't worry Thrac half of Europe doesn't want to be in Europe so we'll leave by default eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Quick reply to this post from the other thread regarding uncontrolled immigration.... "Let them in, yes, but not let them stay and take benefits so as has been said many times in this thread they're contributing by taking jobs that for some reason a British national was either unwilling or unqualified to do and paying the necessary taxes into the system." What happens in 6 months time if our unemployment figures are at an all time low? We have zero choice currently over who we allow to live and work in this country with those that hold a European Passport, unless we can prove, not suspect, that they are related to criminal/terror activity. If we control our own immigration from European Nations, like we currently do with commonwealth nations and the rest of countries on the planet, we can still allow the same levels of immigration. We could even double it or treble it if we wish. It is about having a choice. If we want to follow an E.U directive and law.....we can do what we used to do and pass the bill through Parliament until it becomes Law. Sure, many of these European immigrants do contribute to our society, but some do not. Taking back control of our immigration laws would allow us to continue to allow these contributing immigrants in, whilst not allowing those who do not contribute to enter. It is a win win. I think it just says a lot about the current attitude of our nation and people as a whole. We clearly don't trust our political system enough, as well as each other as individuals, to run our country the way we want in to run. Leaving the E.U without argument offers us more potential as a nation, and i have yet to see a single argument which would suggest we should remain. Immigration - We can continue to maintain our current levels, or even increase/decrease the numbers, but at least we have a choice. Terrorism - Taking back control of our borders means we can refuse everyone entry. Perspective jobs in EU nations - If you have the skills, you will be no less likely to get a job abroad. Look at the NHS, which is propped up largely by Asian doctors and staff. These skilled workers were still able to come to Britain and get skilled jobs whilst we had no choice but to let everyone in with a European Passport. Economy - This is impossible to predict, but that doesn't mean that is a reason to vote remain. Remember, we were a member of the E.U during the Great Recession, and were one of the global nations most severely impacted. We currently import far more from the E.U than we export, why would the E.U suddenly stop trading with us? And if they did....why would we want to be part of a trading bloc which defies all basic business logic? A business wouldn't stop trading with one of its largest customers. Voting remain is a kick in the teeth to democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 How do you think the main players voted in the privacy of the booth? I'll go. Corbyn (leave) Sturgeon (leave) Farage (remain) McDonnell (leave) Think you're right in terms of Corbyn & McDonnell, they're towing the party line for Labour simply to avoid collapse. Sturgeon would love a leave with the SNP rhetoric on pulling Scotland out and forcing a second Scottish referendum and a slim remain vote would be the only way Farage could rally enough support to realistically get UKIP into a position of influence. Think Johnson will vote leave, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 From a man who believes we should scrap democracy and install an authoritarian regime? I see to spend half my time on here correcting assumptive reactions to my comments. Because a wrong is a wrong whatever a majority might vote for - a much demonstrated truth that leaves me with little faith in democracy and greater hope for a different form of government - doesn't mean that I'd either scrap democracy or install an authoritarian regime. But i would definitely listen to suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Don't worry Thrac half of Europe doesn't want to be in Europe so we'll leave by default eventually. You may be right and it may be the only hope because i simply don't see the EU reforming itself dramatically and ever ending up being an organisation to be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682339/Brexit-spreads-across-Europe-Italy-France-Holland-Denmark-all-call-for-referendums http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/the-brexit-contagion-how-france-italy-and-the-netherlands-now-wa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 You may be right and it may be the only hope because i simply don't see the EU reforming itself dramatically and ever ending up being an organisation to be proud of. Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682339/Brexit-spreads-across-Europe-Italy-France-Holland-Denmark-all-call-for-referendums http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/the-brexit-contagion-how-france-italy-and-the-netherlands-now-wa/ See what I mean ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 23 June 2016 Author Share Posted 23 June 2016 I think that's an understatement Barry, circumspect theories are not automatically facts, and do you truly believe that all the economists and banks are totally unbiased, cause therein lies the problem.Well I did my own research on economic factors and I came to the same base conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guvnor Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Brexit spreads across Europe: Italy, France, Holland and Denmark ALL call for referendums http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682339/Brexit-spreads-across-Europe-Italy-France-Holland-Denmark-all-call-for-referendums http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/the-brexit-contagion-how-france-italy-and-the-netherlands-now-wa/ Ha ha that would be a bit ironic, we vote to stay everyone else fcuks off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple987 Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Odds are now drifting. 1/6 on paddy power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 23 June 2016 Author Share Posted 23 June 2016 How do you think the main players voted in the privacy of the booth? I'll go. Cameron (remain) Corbyn (leave) Johnson (remain) Gove (leave) Sturgeon (leave) Farage (remain)[b/] May (leave) Osborne (remain) McDonnell (leave) I wouldn't put it past the bugger! Have we seen a picture of George voting yet? I reckon he might 'vote charlie' today and remain indoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apple987 Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Don't worry all the leave voters will be finishing work at 5 to vote. All the millionaire remainers who don't work and stay in there mansion all day casted there vote already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychonaut Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 I wouldn't pay too much attention to the odds. Although Ladbrokes has received a higher volume of bets to leave the EU, those making a punt on remain were placing larger bets. The head of political betting at Labrokes revealed the average stake on a bet to remain was £450, compared to £75 on a bet to leave. In other words, a few large bettors are skewing the bookie odds dramatically in the favor of Remain, even as the mass of bettors is betting on Leave, albeit with smaller cash amounts. Ladbrokes confirmed as much when it pointed out that while the probability of Brexit remains at only 24%, two thirds or 62% of all bets being placed today are for Leave, the same as yesterday. (Tuesday and Wednesday) Source: Zero Hedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countesthorpe Fox 1884 Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 And, of course, there will be people voting leave because of equally spurious reasons. Just to keep everything nice and balanced Complaints on Twitter that pencils are there to help rig the vote, despite every election being done in.... amazingly... pencil Tonight's count will be extremely interesting. It could easily swing one way to another if heavily leave districts come in together, then remain districts counter! Any predictions on the county areas and how they'll vote? City - Heavy Remain Harborough - Heavy Leave Melton - Heavy Leave Blaby - Close Leave Oadby & Wigston - Heavy Remain Charnwood - Close Remain NW Leics - Heavy Leave If i'm honest id say most people around here are Remain. but agree it will be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 To be honest, Leave voters seem the kind of people more likely to put up boards. Was going to say this. From my experience in the Scottish referendum, if field placards, posters in windows and car stickers won you the vote, Scotland would have voted overwhelmingly for independence. It didn't though. For my money, the shouty ones were "Yes" two years ago and "Leave" this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychonaut Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 If i'm honest id say most people around here are Remain. but agree it will be close. Blaby will definitely be Leave - not so sure about C'thorpe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countesthorpe Fox 1884 Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Blaby will definitely be Leave - not so sure about C'thorpe! Definitely mixed around here, agree Blaby will be leave but Countesthorpe will be just remain. not sure about the other villages in the District. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 You're as stubborn as my wife, I accept your apology. And I accept yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 23 June 2016 Share Posted 23 June 2016 Was going to say this. From my experience in the Scottish referendum, if field placards, posters in windows and car stickers won you the vote, Scotland would have voted overwhelmingly for independence. It didn't though. For my money, the shouty ones were "Yes" two years ago and "Leave" this year. There always seems to be this disparity between posters/placards and real votes. Throughout the 80s and 90s, I was living in marginal seats all round the country (Norwich, Lewisham, Plymouth, Hinckley). At each general election, there were a lot more Labour posters/placards - and each time the Tories won the seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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