Webbo Posted 4 November 2017 Posted 4 November 2017 5 minutes ago, toddybad said: A couple of months old but suggests exports were falling, and imports rising, at the start of this summer. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-trade-deficit-export-figures-june-drop-5-per-cent-goods-ons-city-london-manufacturing-a7885586.html%3famp You can take what you want from that survey Quote The most recent CBI Industrial Trends survey indicated manufacturers’ expectations for growth in export orders at a four-decade high. Quote One possible explanation for this is that the impact of the weaker pound has been less pronounced than it might have been 10 to 20 years ago. The increasingly interconnected nature of global supply chains means exchange rate fluctuations are less of a key determinant of competitiveness.” Quote Overall industrial output grew a better than anticipated 0.5 per cent in June, driven by higher oil production. Business confidence up, weaker £ no big deal, industrial output up. There are so many different economic indicators that you can always find some to match your argument. I'm not saying everything will be great after Brexit, there'll be pluses and minuses. A lot depends on what policies we follow post Brexit. I'm not particularly worried about the future.
Sampson Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, MattP said: It's absolutely nuts, how are we managing to have text messages being reported alongside rape as sexual assault? The front page of today's Sunday Times is that Damien Green has porn on his computer... I mean seriously? Who gives two shits? No matter what Harriet Harman says it really is starting to feel like it's becoming a bit of a witch hunt now. It's even sadder because it's also completely belittling the people who have suffered genuine sexual harassment when it's being placed in the same newscycle as some of this crap. Edited 5 November 2017 by Sampson 1
Strokes Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 25 minutes ago, Sampson said: The front page of today's Sunday Times is that Damien Green has porn on his computer... I mean seriously? Who gives two shits? No matter what Harriet Harman says it really is starting to feel like it's becoming a bit of a witch hunt now. It's even sadder because it's also completely belittling the people who have suffered genuine sexual harassment when it's being placed in the same newscycle as some of this crap. It’s all a bit surreal, I can’t believe how weak these allegations are on the whole.
Buce Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 6 hours ago, Sampson said: The front page of today's Sunday Times is that Damien Green has porn on his computer... I mean seriously? Who gives two shits? No matter what Harriet Harman says it really is starting to feel like it's becoming a bit of a witch hunt now. It's even sadder because it's also completely belittling the people who have suffered genuine sexual harassment when it's being placed in the same newscycle as some of this crap. I guess that depends on the porn. I assume you give a shit about kiddie porn?
Jimothy Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 The only issue I have with Green having porn on his work pc (unless it's kiddie porn like Buce pointed out) is that he's watching it in work time. Get on with your job Damien and stop bashing one out in the office!
Buce Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 (edited) Americans misled us over Iraq - Brown. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/05/iraq-weapons-mass-destruction-america-misled-britain-gordon-brown Edited 5 November 2017 by Buce
Alf Bentley Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 1 hour ago, Buce said: Americans misled us over Iraq - Brown. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/05/iraq-weapons-mass-destruction-america-misled-britain-gordon-brown I don't buy this at all. It may be true that the Americans misled the UK, but Blair & co had their own intelligence sources (some of them highly dubious or sexed up in-house) - and their own political motives (keeping in with the US, as well as the UN and EU). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier More importantly, UN weapons inspections were ongoing. They were proceeding satisfactorily, if not perfectly, and had discovered no WMDs. The inspectors said they needed only months to obtain a definitive answer about WMDs, but the US - and the UK (under Blair, supported by Brown) - were not prepared to give it a few months to possibly avoid a disastrous war. That was no problem to Bush as his policy wasn't tied to WMDs. He favoured forcible "regime change" anyway, for whatever reason (regional foreign policy strategy? oil/commercial interests? avenging/outdoing his Dad?). But Iraqi WMDs was the primary justification for the UK involving itself in the invasion. Even if true, Brown's disingenuous attempt to blame the Yanks is like something out of the playground: "Please, Miss! It's not my fault! George told me to do it!" 1
Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 3 hours ago, Buce said: I guess that depends on the porn. I assume you give a shit about kiddie porn? Pretty sure he would have been arrested had it been that. As others have said, the whole thing is becoming ridiculous.
Sampson Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 3 hours ago, Buce said: I guess that depends on the porn. I assume you give a shit about kiddie porn? Of course but the news would almost certainly have been specific about that if it were the case.
Webbo Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 2 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Please be animal porn. I believe that's what is being implied, he denies it though so who knows?
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 6 minutes ago, Webbo said: I believe that's what is being implied, he denies it though so who knows? Hahaha! Love it if that’s the case. Get him on Question Time and lets have the best hours TV ever made. 2
Buce Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 16 minutes ago, MattP said: Pretty sure he would have been arrested had it been that. As others have said, the whole thing is becoming ridiculous. One would like to think so. However, Heath, Janner and that fat northern Liberal seemed to have managed to avoid it.
Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 14 minutes ago, Buce said: One would like to think so. However, Heath, Janner and that fat northern Liberal seemed to have managed to avoid it. That wasn't child porn though, it was allegations of abuse which obviously are far harder to prove.
The Guvnor Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 (edited) http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/862847/Brexit-news-Hans-Olaf-Henkel-Jean-Claude-Juncker-Guy-Verhofstadt-European-Union Edited 5 November 2017 by The Guvnor incorrect submission
Carl the Llama Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/862847/Brexit-news-Hans-Olaf-Henkel-Jean-Claude-Juncker-Guy-Verhofstadt-European-Union Bit worrying that an MEP's fallen for our immigration control myth. Also worth noting that this is the Express's standard of journalism. Edited 5 November 2017 by Carl the Llama
Guest MattP Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 People like Guy Verhofstadt certainly did more for Brexit than most, his arrogance is absolutely astounding.
The Guvnor Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 11 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Bit worrying that an MEP's fallen for out immigration control myth. Actually posted the wrong clip, this is the one I meant to post. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-41735409/brexit-eu-stance-unfair-mep-hans-olaf-henkel-says
Carl the Llama Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 3 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: Actually posted the wrong clip, this is the one I meant to post. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-41735409/brexit-eu-stance-unfair-mep-hans-olaf-henkel-says That's a better piece of rhetoric, fair enough. Nice to see an MEP sticking up for us, though you have to wonder what his ulterior motive is if he's willing to peddle the immigration lie which you have to imagine he knows the truth of being a part of the institution.
Buce Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 41 minutes ago, MattP said: That wasn't child porn though, it was allegations of abuse which obviously are far harder to prove. But easier to cover up. No computer = no case.
Webbo Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 2 hours ago, Carl the Llama said: Bit worrying that an MEP's fallen for our immigration control myth. Also worth noting that this is the Express's standard of journalism. Didn't I predict this would be the response if anyone posted stuff from the Express or Mail, and didn't you tell me it'd be given a fair hearing?
Carl the Llama Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: Didn't I predict this would be the response if anyone posted stuff from the Express or Mail, and didn't you tell me it'd be given a fair hearing? I did give it a fair hearing, see the first sentence you quoted there where I responded to the content in the same way I've responded to anyone else bringing up the immigration control myth these past couple of years. I can't help that they chose to push the man's peddling of a widely disproved myth as though it's an important political point and not just a repeat of the same guff some of our citizens have been saying since the referendum debate kicked off. I equally can't help that they chose to advertise that laughable piece lusting after a 50-something weather lady at the side of the article. I'm not mocking it because it's the Express and I didn't give it the time of day, I'm mocking it because of the content I was offered after giving it the time of day. It's telling that the link to Henkel's less controversial words is a story published by the BBC.
Webbo Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: I did give it a fair hearing, see the first sentence you quoted there where I responded to the content in the same way I've responded to anyone else bringing up the immigration control myth these past couple of years. I can't help that they chose to push the man's peddling of a widely disproved myth as though it's an important political point and not just a repeat of the same guff some of our citizens have been saying since the referendum debate kicked off. I equally can't help that they chose to advertise that laughable piece lusting after a 50-something weather lady at the side of the article. I'm not mocking it because it's the Express and I didn't give it the time of day, I'm mocking it because of the content I was offered after giving it the time of day. It's telling that the link to Henkel's less controversial words is a story published by the BBC. Quote Also worth noting that this is the Express's standard of journalism. Now when I rubbish the Guardian I'm called a troll.
Carl the Llama Posted 5 November 2017 Posted 5 November 2017 Just now, Webbo said: Now when I rubbish the Guardian I'm called a troll. Please point me to the Guardian article about a 55-year old weather lady wowing in her skin tight dress.
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