Guest MattP Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 Just now, Buce said: Here is the report, Matt. https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/preparing_for_brexit_final_report.pdf Thanks mate, I'm taking my Grandad shopping this afternoon but I'll come back to this when I have time and tell you what I think.
Buce Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 1 hour ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: Farage needs UKIP and UKIP needs Farage. Its a gravy train for a lot of people that ceases to be if we leave. He wants a second referendum and he wants remain to win it so he can start coining it in again. I'm not sure that it's necessarily about money, I think it's more that Farage lost his raison d'etre with the vote for Brexit. He became an irrelevance overnight.
leicsmac Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 Moving away from Farage for a moment, a couple of interesting thoughts:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42650266 So who is right on this one - Boris or Trump? http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42639359 And tbh I'm pretty satisfied with the noises this government have been making regarding the environment so far - let's hope they can match words with deeds.
Buce Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 Patients 'dying in hospital corridors': Patients are dying in hospital corridors as safety is compromised by "intolerable" conditions, doctors say. The warning has been made in a letter to the prime minister signed by 68 senior A&E doctors spelling out the danger patients are facing this winter. It comes as reports have emerged of people being left for hours on trolleys in corridors and stuck in ambulances as A&E teams struggle. Meanwhile, hospital bosses have warned they have run out of beds. Last week there was a point when 133 out of 137 hospital trusts had an unsafe number of patients on their wards, NHS records show. The letter from doctors in England and Wales sets out some of the impact of this pressure. It says: Patients are having to sleep in make-shift wards set up in side-rooms Trolley waits of up to 12 hours are being routinely seen as staff struggle to find free beds Thousands of patients are left stuck in the back of ambulances waiting for A&E staff to take them in Over 120 patients a day are being managed in corridors in some places, some dying prematurely The letter has been sent on the day it has been revealed that England's A&Es missed their four-hour waiting time target by a record margin in December - over 300,000 patients waited longer than they should. Just 85.07% of patients were seen in four hours - well below the 95% target - and marginally worse than the previous low in January 2017. Chris Hopson, of NHS Providers, said hospitals were unsafe and over-crowded, and the NHS was at a "watershed moment", requiring long-term funding. 10 charts that show why the NHS is in trouble Kuenssberg: Time for an answer on the NHS? The rest of the UK is also struggling. Waits in Scotland's major A&E units hit their worst levels at the end of December. The Welsh government has said the health service was facing "significant pressure" and in Northern Ireland the Antrim Area Hospital has had to bring in St John Ambulance volunteers to help with a surge in demand. Rosie Dawson, 37, is just one of the patients who has been caught up in the problems. She was taken to Torbay General A&E on 3 January with a gynaecological problem which had left her with severe pain and bleeding. She said it was chaos, with trolleys everywhere, staff running up and down corridors and queues of ambulances outside. Staff could not find a private area for her to be assessed in so she ended up being examined in front of other patients. "There was no dignity. It was degrading," she said. "I couldn't fault the staff, there was nothing they could do. It was chaos." Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Hopson said last year was "the first time ever" in NHS history that all of its key targets for A&E, cancer and planned operations across the UK had been missed. He said hospitals were short of 10,000-15,000 beds and it was time for the government to decide how to fund the NHS in the long term. "We have reached a watershed moment where either we fund the NHS to the extent that is needed to meet those standards or, and this is absolutely not what we want, we abandon those standards. "But it is a watershed moment. We are now at the point where we can not deliver the NHS constitutional standards without a long-term funding settlement." Mr Hopson said mild weather and low flu rates had helped hospitals "scrape by" during previous winters. "Maybe if we had been lucky again this year we could, just about, have coped," he added. "But it has not turned out that way. Flu is rising, there is more respiratory illness and the cold weather is taking its toll." Since 2010 the budget has been rising at about 1% a year on average whereas traditionally the NHS got over 4%. But Prime Minister Theresa May insisted the government was still doing enough to support the health service. She said the NHS always comes under additional pressure at this time of year and said hospitals had been seeing "more flu patients" in particular - admissions for flu are two-and-a-half times higher than they were this time last year. A spokesman for the Department of Health and Social Care in England added: "We know there is a great deal of pressure in A&E departments and that flu rates are going up, and we are grateful to all NHS staff for their incredible work in challenging circumstances." But he added that plans were in place to help, including extra money for council-run care services so people could be moved out of hospital more quickly and the single biggest expansion in doctoring training places in the history of the NHS - 25% in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116
Jon the Hat Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 On 12/28/2017 at 21:20, Buce said: Tory MP condemns Universal Basic Income 'on moral grounds': https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/dec/28/tory-mp-condemns-universal-basic-income-on-moral-grounds I think he makes a good point about the challenges transitioning to a society where work is for the few and not the many would bring.
Strokes Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 37 minutes ago, Buce said: Here is the report, Matt. https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/preparing_for_brexit_final_report.pdf Semi hard brexit 2
leicsmac Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: I think he makes a good point about the challenges transitioning to a society where work is for the few and not the many would bring. It does have the potential to be a total clusterfvck, no doubt. But that doesn't detract from the fact that increased automation and other factors are going to make it have to happen, or risk total collapse. It's a choice between a gamble like that or a near-total certainty of failure IMO - much like climate issues.
Jon the Hat Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, leicsmac said: It does have the potential to be a total clusterfvck, no doubt. But that doesn't detract from the fact that increased automation and other factors are going to make it have to happen, or risk total collapse. It's a choice between a gamble like that or a near-total certainty of failure IMO - much like climate issues. They probably said the same when the power loom started churning out fabric at 100 times the speed of a person, and that pretty much led to the 5 day working week for most people. It wouldn't be all bad! If we really had such an excess of people, we will come up with ways of including everyone. 3 day weekend anyone? Robotics is not going to change the world overnight - trust me I am managing a RPA project at the moment, it is slow going, and the benefits are far from clear cut in a lot of cases. No need to gamble, we have plenty of time to work it out. Edited 11 January 2018 by Jon the Hat
leicsmac Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: They probably said the same when the power loom started churning out fabric at 100 times the speed of a person, and that pretty much led to the 5 day working week for most people. It wouldn't be all bad! If we really had such an excess of people, we will come up with ways of including everyone. 3 day weekend anyone? Honestly, I'm hoping and pining that we can somehow make a shorter working week (with same rates of pay) and gradually switch over to a UBI as automation does more stuff for us.
bovril Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: Semi hard brexit Considering all you lot are pensioners, you've got to be happy with that surely? 2
Buce Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Strokes said: Semi hard brexit Marmite beat me to it. Edited 11 January 2018 by Buce
bovril Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 1 minute ago, Buce said: Marmite beat me to it. yessssssssssss
Guest Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 NHS patients dying in hospital corridors, A&E doctors tell Theresa May https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/11/nhs-patients-dying-in-hospital-corridors-doctors-tell-theresa-may?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Alf Bentley Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 24 minutes ago, Strokes said: Semi hard brexit Hoping for a flaccid, Viagra-free Brexit myself.
Strokes Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Hoping for a flaccid, Viagra-free Brexit myself. They don’t like it up’em. 1
Alf Bentley Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 1 minute ago, Strokes said: They don’t like it up’em. Ooh, don't, Jonesy, I mean Strokes! I just had my routine bowel cancer screening night before last (arse confirmed to be in good nick, you'll be pleased to hear). Sensitive moment for such comments! 1
Rogstanley Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 48 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: I think he makes a good point about the challenges transitioning to a society where work is for the few and not the many would bring. I think Tories should be banned from describing things as 'dangerous'. It really has now become the biggest cliche in politics.
Strokes Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 People who have had multiple accounts banned, should be banned from talking about banning imho. 1
Webbo Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 Quote The UK economy has exceeded expectations for its performance at the end of last year, prompting a leading economic thinktank to upgrade its growth estimate for 2017. GDP grew by 0.6pc in the final quarter of last year, according to the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, an improvement on its previous forecast of 0.5pc. Based on this estimate, the UK economy expanded by 1.8pc in 2017. This upward revision followed official data showing that manufacturing picked up pace and the gap between imports and exports narrowed towards the end of the 2017. Industrial production - a measure of output from manufacturing, energy and mining industries - grew by 1.2pc in the three months to November. Growth was largely driven by manufacturing, which expanded by 0.4pc in November. The three-month average showed the best performance for the sector in nearly a decade, with output 3.9pc higher than in the same three months of 2016. It was the first time since 1997 that output from the sector had increased for seven consecutive months. Ole Black of the Office for National Statistics said growth was “strong and widespread” across manufacturing. Mr Black added that renewable energy projects, boats, planes and cars were also strong performing areas for exporting activity. The trade deficit - the gap between imports and exports - narrowed by £1.2bn in the three months to November, excluding erratic sales of high value goods such as gold. The value of goods being exported to non-EU nations saw a £2.3bn increase, but this was partly offset by an increase of £200m in imports from the EU and £900m from the rest of the world. Export growth outstripped imports by 0.8pc in the year to November. Data showed that the construction sector continued to suffer, with a 2pc contraction from September to November. Analysis from Pantheon Macroeconomics suggests it could be on track for the worst quarterly performance in five years, as infrastructure and private building projects slumped, down 5.4pc and 3.3pc, respectively. As an indicator of overall economic growth, industrial production accounts for 20pc of the services-heavy UK economy. The most recent data gathered from surveys has indicated that services firms were optimistic about future prospects, and expanding towards the end of last year. Optimism reached a seven month high in December, according to a survey for firms by IHS Markit. Josie Dent of the Centre for Economics and Business Research said that UK export growth is expected to reach 2.4pc in 2018, though this could be counteracted by an anticipated 2.6pc rise in imports. Lee Hopley of manufacturers’ organisation EEF said the sectors’ expectations for the year ahead pointed to continuing export growth, thanks to “a burgeoning global economy”. World trade is expected to grow by 4pc in 2018, according to the Netherlands’ Central Planning Bureau, the economic forecasting arm of the Netherlands’ government. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/10/uk-growth-forecast-raised-manufacturers-power-ahead/
Rogstanley Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 27 minutes ago, Webbo said: That's good news on the face of it but the ONS freely admits this particular study is extremely limited because it relies on self reporting, and what they find is that the wealthiest people don't respond and neither do the poorest. So when they say poorest fifth and richest fifth they refer only to those who responded which doesn't actually include either the poorest or the richest people.
Strokes Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 1 hour ago, Rogstanley said: That's good news on the face of it but the ONS freely admits this particular study is extremely limited because it relies on self reporting, and what they find is that the wealthiest people don't respond and neither do the poorest. So when they say poorest fifth and richest fifth they refer only to those who responded which doesn't actually include either the poorest or the richest people. Where have you found this? I can’t see it anywhere.
Rogstanley Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 3 minutes ago, Strokes said: Where have you found this? I can’t see it anywhere. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/householddisposableincomeandinequality/financialyearending2017 Point 3 paragraph 3
Bryn Posted 11 January 2018 Posted 11 January 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42572116 The time is up for this conversation to be had. Forget percentages, rates of rise above or below inflation and all the rest of the political and economic bullshit. People are dying en masse. Whether it's increased taxation, privatisation, whatever, I no longer care. Our country needs new hospitals, GPs and GP surgeries, walk in centres, pharmacists and pharmacies, doctors, nurses, physiotherapists, healthcare assistants, radiographers, porters, ambulances, paramedics, phlebotomists and all the rest of it today. It needed it months, years ago.
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