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On my way to work this morning a group of about 20 climate change protestors were blocking Victoria Street which is the very busy, main road connecting Westminster and Victoria in central London. Holding a large banner they simply walked out across the road at traffic lights and then refused to move when the lights turned green.

 

In the face of what increasingly looks like a grave and accelerating threat to our planet (and one where there still seems to be a terminal lack of urgency amongst the general public) should we applaud the actions of these protestors and encourage more disruptive protesting or is this an example of a misdirected and ultimately ineffective attempt to instigate change?

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7 minutes ago, James. said:

On my way to work this morning a group of about 20 climate change protestors were blocking Victoria Street which is the very busy, main road connecting Westminster and Victoria in central London. Holding a large banner they simply walked out across the road at traffic lights and then refused to move when the lights turned green.

 

In the face of what increasingly looks like a grave and accelerating threat to our planet (and one where there still seems to be a terminal lack of urgency amongst the general public) should we applaud the actions of these protestors and encourage more disruptive protesting or is this an example of a misdirected and ultimately ineffective attempt to instigate change?

 

Yes, I applaud them. 

 

Nothing ever really changes without this kind of action  - most are too wrapped up in their own selfish worlds to care about the wider good (you’ll see examples in this thread before the day is out) and the ones with the power to change the world - the wealthy and the political elite - have a vested interest in things remaining just as they are. 

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17 minutes ago, James. said:

On my way to work this morning a group of about 20 climate change protestors were blocking Victoria Street which is the very busy, main road connecting Westminster and Victoria in central London. Holding a large banner they simply walked out across the road at traffic lights and then refused to move when the lights turned green.

 

In the face of what increasingly looks like a grave and accelerating threat to our planet (and one where there still seems to be a terminal lack of urgency amongst the general public) should we applaud the actions of these protestors and encourage more disruptive protesting or is this an example of a misdirected and ultimately ineffective attempt to instigate change?

 

yes.

 

because nothing else is working and this has got more people talking about climate change than anything else in recent times. 

 

people need to wake up and smell the shitty roses - the government doesn't care about you. the government doesn't care about the state of the earth in 100 years time. 

 

they are about screwing you for everything in the right here, the right now. 

 

it's time that the citizens of the world rise up together and hold the people with power, money and crucially the ability to save this planet to account. 

 

you lose an hour journey on the way to work - we stand to gain a brighter future for our children. it's a small price to pay.

 

I will be attending one of these events at the next viable opportunity - it's ALL of our duty to make safe the long-term future of this planet.

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2 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Yes, I applaud them. 

 

Nothing ever really changes without this kind of action  - most are too wrapped up in their own selfish worlds to care about the wider good (you’ll see examples in this thread before the day is out) and the ones with the power to change the world - the wealthy and the political elite - have a vested interest in things remaining just as they are. 

 

I might start taking bets on names... :rolleyes:

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On 23/11/2018 at 21:53, James. said:

On my way to work this morning a group of about 20 climate change protestors were blocking Victoria Street which is the very busy, main road connecting Westminster and Victoria in central London. Holding a large banner they simply walked out across the road at traffic lights and then refused to move when the lights turned green.

 

In the face of what increasingly looks like a grave and accelerating threat to our planet (and one where there still seems to be a terminal lack of urgency amongst the general public) should we applaud the actions of these protestors and encourage more disruptive protesting or is this an example of a misdirected and ultimately ineffective attempt to instigate change?

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Camelot has been found:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-retired-professor-thinks-he-s-discovered-the-location-of-king-arthur-s-camelot

 

War is avoidable:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/war-might-not-be-quite-as-ingrained-in-human-nature-as-we-think

 

bad pesticides:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/black-costa-rican-monkeys-are-turning-yellow-and-it-looks-like-humans-are-to-blame

 

Us Gamers are brainy:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/gamers-have-more-grey-matter-and-better-brain-connectivity-study-suggests-2018

 

Aussie big brother:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/australia-wants-to-force-tech-companies-to-decrypt-user-messages

 

Ocean plastic collecter oops

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/there-s-a-slight-problem-with-that-ocean-plastic-collector-we-got-so-excited-about

 

Look at this blood clot:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-man-coughed-up-this-perfect-blood-clot-and-doctors-don-t-understand-how

 

More plastic nanoparticles evilry:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/it-only-takes-hours-for-billions-of-plastic-nanoparticles-to-collect-in-marine-life

 

Greenland's ice melt:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-has-gone-into-overdrive-first-of-its-kind-study-reveals

 

Desert air into water:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-new-device-can-harvest-drinking-water-right-out-of-the-desert-air

 

David Attenborough, the end is nigh:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/sir-david-attenborough-warns-civilisation-is-on-the-verge-of-collapse-unless-we-act-now

 

Global warming and the Baltic sea:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/insane-baltic-sea-warming-is-a-sign-of-things-to-come

 

Bill Gates to the rescue:

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/a-bill-gates-backed-energy-company-is-developing-what-could-be-a-game-changing-nuclear-reactor

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44 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

What can anyone do though when China, the US, Russia and India emit over 50% of the worlds green house gasses between them, and they're not the slightest bit interested in reducing them.

I think I talked about this with Matt on here at some point and my response then, as now, is twofold.

 

Firstly, if we do something and they do not we might, just might, at least slow what change is coming down for long enough to make a difference.

 

And secondly, is doing nothing but pointing fingers (in an accurate direction, I must add) comforting because when the consequences become apparent and things change drastically for the worse we'll still have a nice fuzzy feeling inside because, you know, it wasn't us that did most of the damage? Is the "this isn't fair, we didn't do it!" global societal consequence somehow different to the "oh, we definitely did it and we're not sorry!" one or something?

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2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

I think I talked about this with Matt on here at some point and my response then, as now, is twofold.

 

Firstly, if we do something and they do not we might, just might, at least slow what change is coming down for long enough to make a difference.

 

And secondly, is doing nothing but pointing fingers (in an accurate direction, I must add) comforting because when the consequences become apparent and things change drastically for the worse we'll still have a nice fuzzy feeling inside because, you know, it wasn't us that did most of the damage? Is the "this isn't fair, we didn't do it!" global societal consequence somehow different to the "oh, we definitely did it and we're not sorry!" one or something?

Firstly. No chance, america has decided to increase it's fossil fuel usage and has withdrawn from the paris agreement. According to that chart we contribute less than 1.5% of the worlds greenhouse gasses, if we could reduce that , which i suspect would be nigh on impossible because of ours being such a small percentage in the first place, it would be very quickly surpassed by what america intends to increase its greenhouse gas by. If America and China refuse to play ball, the rest of us are fvcked.  

 

Secondly. It's about as comforting as euthanasia but what else can you do apart from apportion the blame to where it really lies and hope that the main contributors to world pollution start listening. 

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9 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Firstly. No chance, america has decided to increase it's fossil fuel usage and has withdrawn from the paris agreement. According to that chart we contribute less than 1.5% of the worlds greenhouse gasses, if we could reduce that , which i suspect would be nigh on impossible because of ours being such a small percentage in the first place, it would be very quickly surpassed by what america intends to increase its greenhouse gas by. If America and China refuse to play ball, the rest of us are fvcked.  

 

Secondly. It's about as comforting as euthanasia but what else can you do apart from apportion the blame to where it really lies and hope that the main contributors to world pollution start listening. 

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That's a really damn good way of putting it lol, especially seeing as IMO doing nothing is pretty much exactly that on a civilisational level.

 

TBH I think you're right in that we have to keep apportioning blame so others might start listening, and also set examples to follow to show them that it can be done. It might not still be enough, but there is no alternative to the attempt. (Well, there is, it's just not going to end well.)

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Re: Nuclear Power. 

 

We really should be putting all our effort and money into licking fusion. If we can get that operating within the next 50 years, we have limitless clean energy. Forever. 

 

In South Korea they can already safely contain a fusion reaction for a couple of minutes. If we can get it operating for several months of the year continuously that would do the trick. 

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7 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Re: Nuclear Power. 

 

We really should be putting all our effort and money into licking fusion. If we can get that operating within the next 50 years, we have limitless clean energy. Forever. 

 

In South Korea they can already safely contain a fusion reaction for a couple of minutes. If we can get it operating for several months of the year continuously that would do the trick. 

Agreed but how long is it going to take? I taught English to some of the world's most eminent "fusionists" 15 to 20 years ago and saw the incredible potential but the practicalities look as far now as they did then.

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