A little bit disenchanted

foxfanazer · 31 July 2017

This is going to sound ridiculous but I'm sure there will be some people that agree with me.

The title winning season was out of this world and I'll take memories from it they will stay with me for life, but.......... since then a bit of the romanticism of supporting Leicester has gone for me and I'm feeling a little bit disillusioned with what our club is becoming.

We don't see to be following the same blueprint and strong infrastructure that lead us to our unlikely successes. Now I don't want to make this another Pearson debate but it's hard to argue that we had solid foundations and some sort of vision when it came to recruitment under him. At the moment everything seems a bit wishy washy and hoping that if we throw enough shit some will stick.

Dont get me wrong I still love the club and come the first game of the season I'll be in attendance but I feel like we've probably peaked and the people at the club don't really know where to go from here.

Fully expect to be slated for this but, thoughts?

blabyboy · 31 July 2017

When the new owners came in, they offered a plan that had their ambition of winning the PL in 5yrs' time. 2015/16 met that but nonetheless I too am wondering if the plan has now changed. Given all the money coming into the PL from the new TV deal and the uplift the club has had with brand recognition across the world, it kinda feels like it's slipping back, when we should be pushing on, both on the pitch and in other areas such developing the women's side of the game a lot more. From recollection, we had one of the better male/female mixes in the leagues and should be looking to maximise that as well.

Big money buys doesn't necessarily mean success, but it signals intention and ambition.

my 2p.

Edited 31 July 2017 by blabyboy

SemperEadem · 31 July 2017

I'm with you. The club are slowly losing me. I know football changes but things like the ; clappers, fan cam, Vardy masks, points for spending in the shop, changing the club colours are all not for me. They are not the Leicester I fell in love with. These and the bigger picture of money being the sole interest of the Premier League and modern football turns me off. I look at this season and for me there is no stand out games or trips. The nose dive in terms of our away support atmosphere leaves me now wondering if I want to continue travelling the length of the country to be stood with mutes giving you questionable looks for daring to open your mouth.

Edited 31 July 2017 by baker11

Fox92 · 31 July 2017

No way... I feel the same about football and LCFC the way I did when me dad first started taking me.

Cannot wait for Arsenal away next week, get there and do it all over again for yet another season.

You're complaining about not "knowing where to go" yet we're in the top division, we've got rich owners who own the ground.... we're lucky, man. Think about the people that follow the likes of Blackburn, Blackpool, Coventry, Leyton Orient and seeing their clubs in a complete mess.

Edited 31 July 2017 by Fox92

cc_star · 31 July 2017

I know what you mean, where does this wish-washy feeling come from?

Eduardo Macia certainly isn't Steve Walsh!

What Pearson fostered, was that the head of recruitment, scouting, performance analysis, medical team etc... all had a key part to play in decision making, they weren't just working in their own individual silos

He obviously favoured young signings with something to prove and at 21-22 years old they wanted to be here, even if it was a stepping stone

Now we do SEEM to be throwing shit everywhere & seeing what sticks, however is that the reality?

We've bolstered the midfield with Iborro, made a fantastic signings in Maguire & Jakupovic - Exactly where we needed them

We've possibly had a real coup in signing Iheanacho and it isn't our fault this has dragged on

The only areas of concern for me are at RB where we don't even appear to be looking for a player, although we obviously don't know what's being worked on behind the scenes..... and of course the bombshell that Mahrez wants to leave - Which sort of came out the blue, at the same time of year that Kante jumped ship to Chelsea

The other bit of disappointment I feel is that we don't even look like we have a plan b, should the hoof to Vardy not get us our needed results, but this has dogged us for years

MPH · 31 July 2017

i wouldnt judge your expectations by our title winning season... it was out of this world and was completely unexpected... i would judge us by our years of mediocrity and yo-yoing from prem to champ.

Yes i was dissapointed by last season, yes i would love a European finish this year and wioll be a tad dissapointed if we dont get it, but at the end of the day my perspective is that we have prem football and i love us being in the prem...

syston_fox · 31 July 2017

I think part of the problem is that we have been so spoilt in terms of excitement as fans over the last 10 years.

Haven't we only had something like 10 games over that time where nothing has actually been riding on it (i.e promotion, relegation or titles) and a good chunk of that was because we had already won the leagues we were competing in.

Last season was always going to be a bit flat (bar the Champions League) because we couldn't push on and compete in the league again and it did feel like it was missing the "thrill" of going down to the King Power Stadium for league matches. In reality, being a solid mid table team in the premier league, who are capable of reaching Europe and winning a cup, should be enough to satisfy us as fans but because of all the drama of the last 10 years, it will naturally feel a bit "flat" that we had to just see out the last month of last season.

cc_star · 31 July 2017

20 minutes ago, blabyboy said:

When the new owners came in, they offered a plan that had their ambition of winning the PL in 5yrs' time. 2015/16 met that but nonetheless I too am wondering if the plan has now changed. Given all the money coming into the PL from the new TV deal and the uplift the club has had with brand recognition across the world, it kinda feels like it's slipping back, when we should be pushing on, both on the pitch and in other areas such developing the women's side of the game a lot more. From recollection, we had one of the better male/female mixes in the leagues and should be looking to maximise that as well.

Big money buys doesn't necessarily mean success, but it signals intention and ambition.

my 2p.

This!

We've gone from an unlikely Champions League run, and Shakespeare talking about the ambition to get back in it... to Top saying he's aiming for top 10, so they can focus on a cup run after Christmas & we've really not made great strides off the feild with our new found success, beyond paying some Thai Liverpool fans to wear our shirt in Hong Kong

The problem with aiming for 10th is just like the problem with aiming for 17th, if you slip up, there's no margin for error

Edited 31 July 2017 by cc_star

Tommeh · 31 July 2017

Much of the disconnection I feel is at football in general at the top level but the marketing nonsense and sheer greed playing on fans loyalties form LCFC have certainly contributed. Winning the league gave me the perfect chance to knock it all on the head (the Champions League run then gave me a second wind). Right now I'd say the next game I'm really looking forward to is the FA Cup 3rd round, after that Kingy's testimonial.

When you see people on here come out with lines 'Oh just pay it FFS' regarding potential signings you realise the many fans are just as caught up as the owners, Execs, TV companies, agents etc. who have swallowed the game up. We ain't the same club, with huge expectation the catalyst, things like our away support will only be fixed with a relegation.

I'll still go, purely for the craic with me mates but does the result bother me deep down, not one bit.

foxfanazer · 31 July 2017

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

No way... I feel the same about football and LCFC the way I did when me dad first started taking me.

Cannot wait for Arsenal away next week, get there and do it all over again for yet another season.

You're complaining about not "knowing where to go" yet we're in the top division, we've got rich owners who own the ground.... we're lucky, man. Think about the people that follow the likes of Blackburn, Blackpool, Coventry, Leyton Orient and seeing their clubs in a complete mess.

Ah don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about the owners, they've been nothing but superb and as I've said I love the club and will always be passionate about us. I just feel like we've lost our identity a tad and I'm not sure the decision makers at the club are necessarily the right people to lead us.

I want that gritty, in your face pest Leicester that we all love back. Or at least a plan b

foxfanazer · 31 July 2017

4 minutes ago, Tommeh said:

Much of the disconnection I feel is at football in general at the top level but the marketing nonsense and sheer greed playing on fans loyalties form LCFC have certainly contributed. Winning the league gave me the perfect chance to knock it all on the head (the Champions League run then gave me a second wind). Right now I'd say the next game I'm really looking forward to is the FA Cup 3rd round, after that Kingy's testimonial.

When you see people on here come out with lines 'Oh just pay it FFS' regarding potential signings you realise the many fans are just as caught up as the owners, Execs, TV companies, agents etc. who have swallowed the game up. We ain't the same club, with huge expectation the catalyst, things like our away support will only be fixed with a relegation.

I'll still go, purely for the craic with me mates but does the result bother me deep down, not one bit.

Yeah absolutely this. I'm not just on about LCFC.

StriderHiryu · 31 July 2017

Deeney Day
Promotion from the Championship with over 100 points.
The greatest escape in the history of the Premier league in a season we saw one of Europe's most decorated players wear our shirt and tonked Manchester United 5-3 in a PL classic.
We won the flipping Premier League by 10 points!
We got further than any other English team in the Champions League and made the top 8 including a truly special night against Sevilla at the KP.

Supporting this club in recent times is a higher high and more addictive than any drug out there. Losing it's appeal? It's never been stronger for me!

Plenty of issues to sort out, but what a time to be a Leicester fan!

Fox92 · 31 July 2017

8 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Ah don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about the owners, they've been nothing but superb and as I've said I love the club and will always be passionate about us. I just feel like we've lost our identity a tad and I'm not sure the decision makers at the club are necessarily the right people to lead us.

I want that gritty, in your face pest Leicester that we all love back. Or at least a plan b

I do understand what you're saying, and what others are saying in the thread in terms of the league. I don't like the Premier League, the money and the branding. I don't like the friendlies abroad. Don't get me wrong. I don't like the owners have King Power all over the ground instead of prints of our legends. And we watch a league where the club with the most money usually wins the league.

BUT we're in it. It's the top flight. I want to see us in the top flight, I want to go to Old Trafford and Anfield etc. I don't want us to be in the position we were between 2001 and 2008 - apart from Adams' superb promotion season we were shit and struggled financially. Ultimately, relegation to our lowest point ever - although I bloody loved every single away day in League One - was very very sad. We don't want to be in that position again.

So yeah, I'm not a fan of Sky or The Premier League, but ultimately as a Leicester City fan I want the best for the club. And the best is playing among the best.

As I said, speak to a Coventry fan or a Blackburn fan and that'll conclude it up for you. Clubs like that would love to be in our position.

Edited 31 July 2017 by Fox92
spelling errors man

AKCJ · 31 July 2017

My body yearns for more nights like this one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39248930

Livid · 31 July 2017

I think that title win has changed us all to one degree or another.

I think a lot of us who have been going decades seeing us yo-yo through the top two divisions saw the title win as a solid foundation to build on and finally become something more. So far it's been frustrating and I can see the opportunity slipping away. Last year's buys were quite frankly awful. From what I've seen Maguire is on par with Morgan/Huth but not an actual improvement. Jakupovic is an improvement on Zieler but he's a back up who, barring Kasper getting injured or suspended, shouldn't be starting that often. Iborra looks solid but not likely to set the league alight. At the moment I'm putting all my hopes on Iheanacho.

Off the pitch it's niggly little things. We raked it in due to the CL campaign last season, yet they've took ST discount away. Registering for the new website/linking my accounts was a nightmare. I'm now in a position to attend more away games, I have 204 points, the Arsenal priority didn't appear to go below 205, yet there's a ballot for members.

Just feels like we've stagnated.

foxfanazer · 31 July 2017

4 minutes ago, Livid said:

I think that title win has changed us all to one degree or another.

I think a lot of us who have been going decades seeing us yo-yo through the top two divisions saw the title win as a solid foundation to build on and finally become something more. So far it's been frustrating and I can see the opportunity slipping away. Last year's buys were quite frankly awful. From what I've seen Maguire is on par with Morgan/Huth but not an actual improvement. Jakupovic is an improvement on Zieler but he's a back up who, barring Kasper getting injured or suspended, shouldn't be starting that often. Iborra looks solid but not likely to set the league alight. At the moment I'm putting all my hopes on Iheanacho.

Off the pitch it's niggly little things. We raked it in due to the CL campaign last season, yet they've took ST discount away. Registering for the new website/linking my accounts was a nightmare. I'm now in a position to attend more away games, I have 204 points, the Arsenal priority didn't appear to go below 205, yet there's a ballot for members.

Just feels like we've stagnated.

Described it perfectly for me

Babylon · 31 July 2017

36 minutes ago, blabyboy said:

When the new owners came in, they offered a plan that had their ambition of winning the PL in 5yrs' time. 2015/16 met that but nonetheless I too am wondering if the plan has now changed. Given all the money coming into the PL from the new TV deal and the uplift the club has had with brand recognition across the world, it kinda feels like it's slipping back, when we should be pushing on, both on the pitch and in other areas such developing the women's side of the game a lot more. From recollection, we had one of the better male/female mixes in the leagues and should be looking to maximise that as well.

Big money buys doesn't necessarily mean success, but it signals intention and ambition.

my 2p.

The owner said European football, within that time frame... and I must remind you this was to the Thai press. When they have talked about their plans in this country it was always us becoming an established team for several years first and foremost. Sadly, despite a title win we haven't done that yet after last seasons lurch into relegation trouble showed.

They've put money into the team, if Iheanacho signs tomorrow we've got the FOURTH biggest net spend since the 14/15 season. That's huge for a club like Leicester... what's better is that we've actually done this with our own money and not become an artificially inflated team like Chelsea and City. You might be wanting that, but that's not what we're going to be.

The sort of slow growth we're after is measured over decades and not a few years. If we get established then the next step is ground expansion, to put is in the same bracket size wise as the likes of Villa, Newcastle, Everton. To actually move out of the huge pack we're currently in and be seen as something similar in size to them is a big step

Rome wasn't built in a day.

The title season was wonderful, but I think it took a bit out of the players and the fans. The desire, the hunger, knowing that's the best it will ever be is a difficult thing to overcome. It might take years.

Old Fox · 31 July 2017

Good OP and an interesting topic.....here's my two penneth - ridicule or disagree as you see fit!

Having watched a predominantly under achieving club for too many years to remember it is easy to get carried away and suggest we have lost out identity - if we ever had one! Over the past 4 or 5 decades we have continually been a yoyo club with fleeting success in the 60's and late 90's but never really been a club to threaten the power houses.

However, modern football has definitely changed the game and it is a very different experience to the one before Sky came along and it is here to stay in its current guise.

We have has a few years of real high's which in its own way included the escape season under NFP. As posters have said already the unbelievable high of winning the league will remain with us all for the rest of our lives and probably never to be repeated as it kicked the big boys last season and current to invest in the best crop of managers which has followed with huge transfer fees backed up by more TV money.

To win the PL and then experience CL was always going to lead to a come down if we could not follow up with more European football this season.

Our club may have missed a trick to move forward but the biggest/only disappointment for me is the fact we have not evolved the football team - we could have started a process of signing or developing young talent like Southampton (granted they sell them but the model to date looks good) or developed an ethos of how we play but last season under CR and then Shakey appears to be slightly defensive without a plan B and also a way of playing that we all are proud or entertained to watch.

I was really hoping that the club would try to make that next step be consistently in the next Group behind the Big 6 and the owners I am sure have a bigger aspiration but as I tell my teenage son enjoy this time as we may never experience anything like it again - we have seen some of the best players to wear the blue be it Schmeichel, Huth, Mahrez, Fuchs, Drinky, Vards and NG!

So I am not disenchanted but more pragmatic that maybe we could have made better of the opportunity but boy this is so much better than watching League 1 or Pleaty or Hamilton or Taylor's dross that was turned up week in and week out. Out of all the owners of UK clubs we probably have some of the best and yes some of their self indulgences can be a tad cringe-worthy we could have been handed complete idiots who did not understand Leicester the 6th biggest City - our City - our very special city and county that those of may have left but always will call home - proud to be a City fan and cant wait for the ride even if it maybe a bit bumpier than we all hoped.

Bayfox · 31 July 2017

12 minutes ago, syston_fox said:

I think part of the problem is that we have been so spoilt in terms of excitement as fans over the last 10 years.

Haven't we only had something like 10 games over that time where nothing has actually been riding on it (i.e promotion, relegation or titles) and a good chunk of that was because we had already won the leagues we were competing in.

Last season was always going to be a bit flat (bar the Champions League) because we couldn't push on and compete in the league again and it did feel like it was missing the "thrill" of going down to the King Power Stadium for league matches. In reality, being a solid mid table team in the premier league, who are capable of reaching Europe and winning a cup, should be enough to satisfy us as fans but because of all the drama of the last 10 years, it will naturally feel a bit "flat" that we had to just see out the last month of last season.

I could have quoted a load of posts on here, as they all make up a little how I feel, but this bit sums up my worry, Why? Why couldn't we kick on, was it because the players put so much in, they believed they had hit the top and it could never be repeated? If so, should we worry about them mentally, only Kasper seems a born winner, driven to reach whatever heights he can, we hear this drinky is a complex person, does this explain his huge highs and lows in terms of performance across the seasons, did we get recruitment wrong, was claudio given too much of a say, did the owners take the eye of the ball, was it a combination of all those things.

for me it may add up to all of them, but Key for me is, that we should have bust the bank last summer on players who knew the league, yes show loyalty to those who helped win the thing, but to not go for Keane or any other CB with a bit of knowledge of the league was wrong, to not try and sign a number 10 who scores goals was wrong, without Mahrez and Vardy we don't exactly have a side full of goals, look at the title win, Drinky doesn't score enough and our CB pairing don't get 7 or 8 they get 2 or 3 each.

What worries me now, is that after what 6 or so years of being rubbish and floating around the bottom of the championship, pearson brought some pride, a winning mentality and a direction back to our club, and the Title win, was the icing on the cake, whoever played what part in it, the off the field side seemed sorted, now it seems to have eroded, I was hopeful shakey would bring some of that back, after all I think he was exactly what was needed at the time, but after that initial bounce, the results at the end of the season were worrying, and watching pre-season so far, although I believe tatter peeler had us unbeaten pre-season and that turned out badly.

I am not sure that shakey has the pull in the game to get a great team around him, and by that i mean mainly off the pitch, our scouting needs an overall from the current evidence of the last 2 years and we still need 3 or 4 players to give us something, we desperately need creativity for example.

I do however believe momentum can be key, so if we start in a similar manner to the performance under shakey v liverpool for the opening few weeks, confidence will spread, without it tho, i do worry we could be come very predictable and boring to watch, I hope i am wrong.

But like @baker11 my hunger for games, especially away, is at a low ebb, maybe europe spoilt me in terms of venues, and at the same time apart from Brugge showed how bad things have become, can't believe we as fans couldn't lift ourselves more for what was looking like a once in a lifetime journey.

We should have kicked on last season, we didn't and I fear we missed any chance to do so, the big boys will never be as complacent again and our unique achievement will soon fade in players minds, when choosing a club, the money will talk, we had something different and didn't utilise it enough.

foxfanazer · 31 July 2017

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The owner said European football, within that time frame... and I must remind you this was to the Thai press. When they have talked about their plans in this country it was always us becoming an established team for several years first and foremost. Sadly, despite a title win we haven't done that yet after last seasons lurch into relegation trouble showed.

They've put money into the team, if Iheanacho signs tomorrow we've got the FOURTH biggest net spend since the 14/15 season. That's huge for a club like Leicester... what's better is that we've actually done this with our own money and not become an artificially inflated team like Chelsea and City. You might be wanting that, but that's not what we're going to be.

The sort of slow growth we're after is measured over decades and not a few years. If we get established then the next step is ground expansion, to put is in the same bracket size wise as the likes of Villa, Newcastle, Everton. To actually move out of the huge pack we're currently in and be seen as something similar in size to them is a big step

Rome wasn't built in a day.

The title season was wonderful, but I think it took a bit out of the players and the fans. The desire, the hunger, knowing that's the best it will ever be is a difficult thing to overcome. It might take years.

Great points

Fox92 · 31 July 2017

Bloody hell no wonder our away ends have gone down the pan if you're all like this

foxfanazer · 31 July 2017

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Bloody hell no wonder our away ends have gone down the pan if you're all like this

What's that got to do with this thread? You can have concerns but still be a passionate fan imo

Fox92 · 31 July 2017

1 minute ago, foxfanazer said:

What's that got to do with this thread? You can have concerns but still be a passionate fan imo

Just weird we spend 10 years trying to be in this position, including a spell in the third tier, and now people talking about not being up for it.

Edited 31 July 2017 by Fox92

Gaz741 · 31 July 2017

Pretty sure they've got it wrong about leuven. I don't think they are going to be our feeder club at all, it could just be that the owners actually see them as there real future football investment. Much cheaper and the Belgian league will get stronger in time, like the French league is.

Personally I think the owners are just happy with keeping in the Premier league with Leicester, it's why Shakespeare got the job and why we arent spending huge amounts. Iheanacho won't be a big signing, it's essentially a loan deal. Because man city will clearly buy him back in a few years once guardiola has left.

Also the owners wouldn't have been happy with the King power branding not being allowed during the champions league matches. Really, there is no benefit to them spending a load more money to try and push for Europe.

The whole world now knows Leicester and has seen King power on the shirts.

I'm pretty sure that in 3 years time or less we will have new owners. I can sense there time is coming to an end.

Clever Fox · 31 July 2017

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Just weird we spend 10 years trying to be in this position, including a spell in the third tier, and now people talking about not being up for it.

Yes, it sounds weird alright but it's just nature taking its course In life nothing stays the same for too long, you just have to go with it at times for good or bad.

It's a bit like when you've pulled the best looking woman in the room you're still a bit disappointed when you get her outside.

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