Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[Carl the Llama]

9 minutes ago, Line-X said:

No

Of course it is, that's how opinions work!  (Another generalisation, i know)

[Fox92]

36 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

The average Brit is just as thick as the average American. We just don't have as many gun-toting mental cases.

"We still sell bottles of bleach, with big labels on, that say 'do not drink'."

 

 

 

[SpacedX]

7 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Of course it is, that's how opinions work!  (Another generalisation, i know)

That London is culturally, geographically and environmentally diverse? - an opinion? It's demonstrable.

 

So is Leicester. Don't particularly like the place, but I wouldn't universally brand it as 'vile'.

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, Line-X said:

That London is culturally, geographically and environmentally diverse? - an opinion? It's demonstrable.

 

So is Leicester. Don't particularly like the place, but I wouldn't universally brand it as 'vile'.

I'm sorry I didn't give you a 5 page essay on how I arrived at my opinion, I'm just saying that responding to an opinion with "that's a bit of a generalisation" is redundant because that's literally the point of opinions.

[SpacedX]

17 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

I'm sorry I didn't give you a 5 page essay on how I arrived at my opinion, I'm just saying that responding to an opinion with "that's a bit of a generalisation" is redundant because that's literally the point of opinions.

You didn't need to Llama - where four pages would suffice.

 

It is "somewhat of a generalisation" given the size and diversity of the capital city. Regarding the opinion that it is vile throughout, I absolutely agree that it is as unpopular as it is untrue. 

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, Line-X said:

You didn't need to Llama - where four pages would suffice.

 

It is "somewhat of a generalisation" given the size and diversity of the capital city. Regarding the opinion that it is vile throughout, I absolutely agree that it is as unpopular as it is untrue. 

Eh, clearly the place is near and dear to you.  I have plenty of valid reasons for why I feel how I do, if you can't accept my opinion that's not a problem for me, I just thought it was odd to use the idea of it being a generalisation as a rebuttal when that's the whole point.

[SpacedX]

5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Eh, clearly the place is near and dear to you.  I have plenty of valid reasons for why I feel how I do, if you can't accept my opinion that's not a problem for me, I just thought it was odd to use the idea of it being a generalisation as a rebuttal when that's the whole point.

Well 'the place; is another generalisation I guess. It's not a case of accepting your opinion...to brand such a large city and cosmopolitan metropolis/connurbation as 'vile' throughout is simply wrong. 

 

I was born and (largely) raised there - between spells in Leicester. There are parts of London, both opulent and deprived, that breed a "vile" attitude I certainly agree and it's understandable why that may taint or condition one's perception. There are areas I loath, but equally parts that I adore. The appeal of London to me, aside from the history, is the fact that it is so multi-faceted, so stimulating and that it can by its nature, transcend the parochial provinciality and monoculture that can afflict so many of our towns and cities at the expense of celebrating their individualism, character and identity.

[BenTheFox]

The quality of food (more so the actual produce than cuisine) in the UK is amongst the worst in Europe. 

Edited 3 February 2021 by BenTheFox

[South Shire Fox]

Players who point to their name on the back of their shirt after scoring really grind my gears. Its a team sport, not an individual. The badge on the front is the most important thing not your self importance. Like when players win a trophy and they all turn their shirts around so their names on the front. Utterly embarrassing 

[fuchsntf]

44 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Players who point to their name on the back of their shirt after scoring really grind my gears. Its a team sport, not an individual. The badge on the front is the most important thing not your self importance. Like when players win a trophy and they all turn their shirts around so their names on the front. Utterly embarrassing 

I use to hate it too, but Today I have more understanding...The Toxic critic against individual players either from the Media or social-media, One sees

players ( also just humans) feel the hurt & emotion...Mental-Health & Depression in the football World is no concidence &  just as rife, as the wider-world,

they purposely entertain..

[Nalis]

The vast majority of western/cowboy films are shite.

[Carl the Llama]

2 hours ago, Line-X said:

Well 'the place; is another generalisation I guess.

Well yeah, we're talking about how I think about the place in general.  You seem to have attached the places that subjectively hold importance to you to my comment.  I don't share your attachments, my experiences are different to yours, as are my opinions.

 

2 hours ago, Line-X said:

It's not a case of accepting your opinion...

It actually is.

 

2 hours ago, Line-X said:

to brand such a large city and cosmopolitan metropolis/connurbation as 'vile' throughout is simply wrong. 

In my opinion it isn't.  In your opinion my opinion is wrong.  C'est la vie.

[SpacedX]

10 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Well yeah, we're talking about how I think about the place in general.  You seem to have attached the places that subjectively hold importance to you to my comment.  I don't share your attachments, my experiences are different to yours, as are my opinions.

 

It actually is.

 

In my opinion it isn't.  In your opinion my opinion is wrong.  C'est la vie.

Any perceived 'attachment' is your own assumption - I am irrelevant. Nonetheless, there are parts of London, including the area that I was born, that I really don't care for. Actually, "attachment" is an interesting point and there were two fascinating threads devoted to regionality. I feel affiliation with London, but one of the reasons that I supported Leicester as a young child was to nurture a sense of belonging up here (and because I have always favoured the underdog). 

 

I acknowledge that your experiences are different to mine, which may indeed taint your view. That London is a diverse city in terms of culture, demographic, geography, environment and ethnicity is not an 'opinion' though, and nothing whatsoever to do with yours or mine.

 

Both Leicester and London are pluralist cities - that alone makes them enriching and interesting. I don't particularly like Leicester as a City, but to brand any civic settlement as "vile" would not only be a massively sweeping statement, but one that would convey a series of ugly connotations, be those, unwitting intentional or sub-conscious - and those that I'm sure you don't mean to or would wish to be associated with. 

 

I'm sure you will agree, there are some very scenic parts of our capital. 

 

 

[Webbo]

3 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

The quality of food (more so the actual produce than cuisine) in the UK is amongst the worst in Europe. 

You've never been to Bulgaria.

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

Any perceived 'attachment' is your own assumption - I am irrelevant. Nonetheless, there are parts of London, including the area that I was born, that I really don't care for. Actually, "attachment" is an interesting point and there were two fascinating threads devoted to regionality. I feel affiliation with London, but one of the reasons that I supported Leicester as a young child was to nurture a sense of belonging up here (and because I have always favoured the underdog). 

 

I acknowledge that your experiences are different to mine, which may indeed taint your view. That London is a diverse city in terms of culture, demographic, geography, environment and ethnicity is not an 'opinion' though, and nothing whatsoever to do with yours or mine.

 

Both Leicester and London are pluralist cities - that alone makes them enriching and interesting. I don't particularly like Leicester as a City, but to brand any civic settlement as "vile" would not only be a massively sweeping statement, but one that would convey a series of ugly connotations, be those, unwitting intentional or sub-conscious - and those that I'm sure you don't mean to or would wish to be associated with. 

 

I'm sure you will agree, there are some very scenic parts of our capital. 

 

 

Sure.  Still a vile place imo.  No idea why you're bringing race into it, you even say it has nothing to do with it?  I really think you're reading far too much into this, it's not like I've said the place should be bombed off the map.  (But maybe?)

[bovril]

London is one of the great cities of all time. 

[SpacedX]

11 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

No idea why you're bringing race into it, 

??? Not with you. I simply said that it was culturally diverse and stimulating to live in a pluralist city. And I also said that "opinion" yours or mine has nothing whatsoever to do with the demonstrable fact that London is is a diverse city in terms of culture, demographic, geography, environment and ethnicity

 

Incidentally, bet you didn't know that there are llamas in Mudchute Park?

Edited 3 February 2021 by Line-X

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

London is one of the great cities of all time. 

Sure.  So is Paris.  Both still vile places imo.  

 

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

??? Not with you. I simply said that it was culturally diverse and stimulating to live in a pluralist city. And I also said that "opinion" yours or mine has nothing whatsoever to do with the demonstrable fact that London is is a diverse city in terms of culture, demographic, geography, environment and ethnicity

 

Incidentally, bet you didn't know that there are llamas in Mudchute Park?

Sure, but none of that has anything to do with me not liking the place, so given this all started from my comment I'm just confused why it needs to be brought up?

 

[SpacedX]

1 minute ago, Carl the Llama said:

Sure.  So is Paris.  Both still vile places imo.  

 

Sure, but none of that has anything to do with me not liking the place, so given this all started from my comment I'm just confused why it needs to be brought up?

 

Sorry - watching the game...it's in London y'know. Will get back to you.

[Carl the Llama]

New topic:  It's ok to have your own reasons not to like specific things or places and people shouldn't necessarily take such things so personally. 

Edited 3 February 2021 by Carl the Llama

[SpacedX]

46 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Sure.  So is Paris.  Both still vile places imo.  

 

As a matter of interest, where do you live?

 

47 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Sure, but none of that has anything to do with me not liking the place, 

 

Absolutely agree - you are entitled to your opinion (which is the point of this thread), and completely at liberty to think whatever you like. 

 

48 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

so given this all started from my comment I'm just confused why it needs to be brought up?

Because to brand somewhere so demonstrably diverse in every respect that I mentioned as a "vile place", is as I said, somewhat of a generalisation and a tad narrow minded. That's all. 

 

48 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

New topic:  It's ok to have your own reasons not to like specific things or places...

It's absolutely ok - I don't particularly like the city of Leicester...wouldn't brand it as a "vile place" though. 

 

50 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

...and people shouldn't necessarily take such things so personally. 

Nothing personal from me. No offence taken in the slightest. More bemusement. 

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, Line-X said:

 

As a matter of interest, where do you live?

Cambridge, it's a beautiful town.  Not without its own glaring issues.

 

The funny thing is I've not even explained what it is I don't like about them yet you're confidently telling me I'm wrong and calling me narrow minded.

 

The trouble is it's very hard for a city to reach the kind of human mass London and Paris without becoming hugely off-putting to me.  I'm fairly agoraphobic so it's pretty natural that I don't like big cities, I prefer them small and less crowded, where everything's within a reasonable walking distance.  Different people have different priorities, I don't think that makes me narrow minded.

[SpacedX]

Just now, Carl the Llama said:

Cambridge, it's a beautiful town.  Not without its own glaring issues.

 

The funny thing is I've not even explained what it is I don't like about them yet you're confidently telling me I'm wrong and calling me narrow minded.

 

The trouble is it's very hard for a city to reach the kind of human mass London and Paris without becoming hugely off-putting to me.  I'm fairly agoraphobic so it's pretty natural that I don't like big cities, I prefer them small and less crowded, where everything's within a reasonable walking distance.  Different people have different priorities, I don't think that makes me narrow minded.

FFs offside...see that?

[SpacedX]

28 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Cambridge, it's a beautiful town.  Not without its own glaring issues.

 

Ah..agree entirely, but yes, Cherry Hinton Road isn't too clever. Shit, you don't live there do you?

 

30 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

The funny thing is I've not even explained what it is I don't like about them yet you're confidently telling me I'm wrong and calling me narrow minded.

 

I was questioning the reasoning behind branding an entire metropolis of such striking cultural diversity and geographical variability as "vile" that's all - not the fact that you don't like the place. I've read and responded to far too many of your posts to in any way conclude that you are "narrow minded" which is why the nature of the comment surprised me.

 

34 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

The trouble is it's very hard for a city to reach the kind of human mass London and Paris without becoming hugely off-putting to me.  I'm fairly agoraphobic so it's pretty natural that I don't like big cities, I prefer them small and less crowded, where everything's within a reasonable walking distance.  Different people have different priorities, I don't think that makes me narrow minded.

It certainly doesn't - but equally it doesn't make the whole of London "vile". the thought of navigating it, maybe. I have lived in four different countries across four different continents - the most remote, New Zealand. I have also alpine climbed for a reasonable spell of my life so I value solitude. Saying that, some of the most secluded and peaceful moments of my life have been spent in lesser known and more untrodden less frequented parts of London.

 

Serious question - has your agoraphobia meant that the notion of lockdown and social distancing is less acute than possibly for others?

 

 

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

I was questioning the reasoning behind branding an entire metropolis of such striking cultural diversity and geographical variability as "vile" that's all - not the fact that you don't like the place. I've read and responded to far too many of your posts to in any way conclude that you are "narrow minded" which is why the nature of the comment surprised me.

 

It certainly doesn't - but equally it doesn't make the whole of London "vile". the thought of navigating it, maybe. I have lived in four different countries across four different continents - the most remote, New Zealand. I have also alpine climbed for a reasonable spell of my life so I value solitude. Saying that, some of the most secluded and peaceful moments of my life have been spent in lesser known and more untrodden less frequented parts of London.

So I'm guilty of using exaggerated language to state my unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinions thread?  Hardly worth getting the London Tourist Police onto me  

 

1 hour ago, Line-X said:

Serious question - has your agoraphobia meant that the notion of lockdown and social distancing is less acute than possibly for others?

You could probably say that.