Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[bovril]

52 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Why?

tbh I don't really know what exactly "prioritise the UK homeless first, not the migrants" means but obviously a state should prioritise the well being of its citizens ahead of those that have recently arrived in the country. 

[MattFox]

If Trump dropped or even moderated his weird Russia love in you’d see a lot more support for him in Europe

[FoxesDeb]

52 minutes ago, bovril said:

tbh I don't really know what exactly "prioritise the UK homeless first, not the migrants" means but obviously a state should prioritise the well being of its citizens ahead of those that have recently arrived in the country. 

Hard disagree. Migrants to the UK have presumably arrived within the legal guidelines outlined by the UK and therefore met the requirements to migrate to the UK, and should not be discriminated against solely because of their origin. Imo. 

[Sampson]

6 hours ago, Wymsey said:

The UK needs to look to prioritise the UK homeless first, not the migrants.

How many homeless people do you think have passports and therefore could prove they are British citizens for starters? I can imagine a large amount of homeless Brits have zero ID and that is one of the reasons they can’t open a bank account or get a job too.
 

It’s all well and good making these statements but what you are saying in practice actually means is setting up a level of bureaucracy for some kind of proof of citizenship when helping homeless people which sounds like a horrific idea for me and is probably only to cause way more problems than it solves. 

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Hard disagree. Migrants to the UK have presumably arrived within the legal guidelines outlined by the UK and therefore met the requirements to migrate to the UK, and should not be discriminated against solely because of their origin. Imo. 

All states discriminate between their own citizens - whether they are born in the country or naturalized - and immigrants. I can't think of a single place that doesn't. The UK is pretty generous in what it offers immigrants, for example allowing commonwealth citizens to vote in parliamentary elections which imo is pretty absurd. 

 

What I think Wimesy is talking about is the government prioritising the well being of UK-born people over immigrants (e.g. spending less money on housing illegal immigrants), which is a bit vaguer and perhaps more morally ambiguous but again I can't think of a place in the world where that wouldn't be the case. Which is unsurprising because all states have limited capacity and any government that was seen as caring less about their own people than those of other nations would quickly be voted out, or would be faced with serious unrest. 

 

 

[leicsmac]

22 minutes ago, MattFox said:

If Trump dropped or even moderated his weird Russia love in you’d see a lot more support for him in Europe

I don't think this is even unpopular tbh, just logical. Without the Russia love in, he's just another daft American leader in the typical model - someone to roll eyes at the obvious bigotry and obsession with money and individualism, but not much different from those before from a European perspective (scientific issues aside), especially since that same nationalist bigotry is up in some places on the continent.

 

With it, however, it's a very different, less stable, story.

 

10 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Hard disagree. Migrants to the UK have presumably arrived within the legal guidelines outlined by the UK and therefore met the requirements to migrate to the UK, and should not be discriminated against solely because of their origin. Imo. 

It's almost like everyone's human, isn't it?

 

2 minutes ago, bovril said:

All states discriminate between their own citizens - whether they are born in the country or naturalized - and immigrants. I can't think of a single place that doesn't. The UK is pretty generous in what it offers immigrants, for example allowing commonwealth citizens to vote in parliamentary elections which imo is pretty absurd. 

 

What I think Wimesy is talking about is the government prioritising the well being of UK-born people over immigrants (e.g. spending less money on housing illegal immigrants), which is a bit vaguer and perhaps more morally ambiguous but again I can't think of a place in the world where that wouldn't be the case. Which is unsurprising because all states have limited capacity and any government that was seen as caring less about their own people than those of other nations would quickly be voted out, or would be faced with serious unrest. 

 

 

Such discrimination is institutionalised, that's clear.

 

What's also clear is that such discrimination and the attitudes behind national identity that drive it cannot survive the challenges to come.

[Foxdiamond]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I don't think this is even unpopular tbh, just logical. Without the Russia love in, he's just another daft American leader in the typical model - someone to roll eyes at the obvious bigotry and obsession with money and individualism, but not much different from those before from a European perspective (scientific issues aside), especially since that same nationalist bigotry is up in some places on the continent.

 

With it, however, it's a very different, less stable, story.

 

It's almost like everyone's human, isn't it?

 

Such discrimination is institutionalised, that's clear.

 

What's also clear is that such discrimination and the attitudes behind national identity that drive it cannot survive the challenges to come.

Personally I would prefer the government to look at housing the UK born children living in cramped B&B with parents. The parents will hopefully have a birth certificate and NI number

[Fox1970]

Golf is the most difficult pursuit ever invented in the history of human life on this planet.

[SkidsFox]

14 minutes ago, Fox1970 said:

Golf is the most difficult pursuit ever invented in the history of human life on this planet.

You may be right. Let's ban it. Would free up some space for new housing. Win-win!

[Izzy]

48 minutes ago, Fox1970 said:

Golf is the most difficult pursuit ever invented in the history of human life on this planet.

Indeed, and that's why it's so addictive to millions because it's a pursuit that will never be mastered.

 

For me though it's the ultimate game that tests both physical and mental skill in equal measure.

 

I'm teeing off at 7.24 tomorrow in the mist and can't wait. It's a drug.

[Free Falling Foxes]

40 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Indeed, and that's why it's so addictive to millions because it's a pursuit that will never be mastered.

 

For me though it's the ultimate game that tests both physical and mental skill in equal measure.

 

I'm teeing off at 7.24 tomorrow in the mist and can't wait. It's a drug.

I love it when you tee-off sweetly and see the ball heading straight down the middle and well on its way to the green.

A truly marvellous feeling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've managed it once. 

[FoxesDeb]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

All states discriminate between their own citizens - whether they are born in the country or naturalized - and immigrants. I can't think of a single place that doesn't. The UK is pretty generous in what it offers immigrants, for example allowing commonwealth citizens to vote in parliamentary elections which imo is pretty absurd. 

 

What I think Wimesy is talking about is the government prioritising the well being of UK-born people over immigrants (e.g. spending less money on housing illegal immigrants), which is a bit vaguer and perhaps more morally ambiguous but again I can't think of a place in the world where that wouldn't be the case. Which is unsurprising because all states have limited capacity and any government that was seen as caring less about their own people than those of other nations would quickly be voted out, or would be faced with serious unrest. 

 

 

That's interesting, I don't feel remotely discriminated against as a migrant where I live. I receive state health care and I'll receive a state pension when I retire, I can't think off the top of my head how the Spanish favour their own citizens over me as a migrant

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

All states discriminate between their own citizens - whether they are born in the country or naturalized - and immigrants. I can't think of a single place that doesn't.

I don’t think this is true at all tbf. From what I understand countries like Monaco and Luxembourg are countries that don’t for example. Both countries have populations made up of primarily of immigrants and non-citizens, who are just residents and are generally treated more favourably than citizens who are born there if anything as they are the ones who bring the money into those countries. Obvious reason is because they’re wealthy white immigrants for the most part. Pretty sure wealthy white immigrants are treated better than the natives in plenty of countries tbh.
 

Also plenty of indigenous minorities are discriminated against despite being citizens. There’s loads of debates about how Australians treat aborigines, how Russia treats Tartars or how Sweden treats Sami people for example despite the fact, these people actually are more “authentic” native citizens for want of a better term. Plenty who are born and raised in Northern Ireland have massive issues with how their treated by the uk government if you want to get controversial.

Edited 13 November 2024 by Sampson

[DennisNedry]

Some people have strong in-group preference and others do not. This for me is the basis of the debate going on above regarding housing homeless people. The causes of this idealogical divide are very interesting.

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I don’t think this is true tbf. From what I understand countries like Monaco and Luxembourg are countries that don’t for example. Both countries have populations made up of largely of non-citizens, who are just residents and are generally treated more favourably than citizens who are born there if anything as they are the ones who bring the money into those countries.
 

Also plenty of indigenous minorities are discriminated against despite being citizens. There’s loads of debates about how Australians treat aborigines or how Sweden treats Sami people for example despite the fact, these people actually are more “authentic” native citizens for want of a better term. 

True although I imagine both of those places are incredibly difficult to settle permanently in. I doubt I would find it very easy to get a residency permit for Monaco, alas. 

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Some people have strong in-group preference and others do not. This for me is the basis of the debate going on above regarding housing homeless people. The causes of this idealogical divide are very interesting.

That's very true.

 

A key part of that debate is, however, a matter of how such preferences are incompatible with long-term survival of all groups.

[bovril]

37 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

That's interesting, I don't feel remotely discriminated against as a migrant where I live. I receive state health care and I'll receive a state pension when I retire, I can't think off the top of my head how the Spanish favour their own citizens over me as a migrant

Spain is an interesting example because like all EU countries they discriminate between EU citizens and non EU citizens, and unfortunately we are now in the latter group. 

[Daggers]

All pretzels are shit

[Jattdogg]

4 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I love it when you tee-off sweetly and see the ball heading straight down the middle and well on its way to the green.

A truly marvellous feeling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've managed it once. 

I own a lonely driver club and can Happy Gilmore the shit out of the golf ball in all directions. Hazards, straight down the middle, Mars. You name it, I can hit it at some point. 

 

 

 

 

 

I love trying to play golf but I suck. I went mini putting with my kids and my 11 year old son got 2 holes in 1. I got 0. 

 

Shame!

[The Bear]

7 hours ago, Daggers said:

All pretzels are shit

I've never understood why they're popular. 

 

Here, have a bit of dry, bland bread with salt all over it to make it even worse. 

[Facecloth]

8 hours ago, Daggers said:

All pretzels are shit

Only half decent ones are the Flipz ones and that's because they are smothered in salted caramel or white fudge or something.

Edited 14 November 2024 by Facecloth

[Daggers]

37 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Only half decent ones are the Flipz ones and that's because they are smothered in salted caramel or white fudge or something.

They could be smothered in Michelle Keegan and they'd still be shit.

[ozleicester]

If "they" stop handing oiut bonuses to bankers and tax breaks to the rich if they start prioriting the poor and working class instead of the wealthy, if they focus on treating mental health rather than giving the ceo another house.... "they" couldhouse home grown homeless AND migrants

[Otis]

33 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

If "they" stop handing oiut bonuses to bankers and tax breaks to the rich if they start prioriting the poor and working class instead of the wealthy, if they focus on treating mental health rather than giving the ceo another house.... "they" couldhouse home grown homeless AND migrants

Who are "they"?

[bovril]

29 minutes ago, Otis said:

Who are "they"?

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