Shakespeares Tactics

[Bunyip]

1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

Slimani isn't our worst striker you jabroni

If he isn't then who is?

[chapero82]

What tactics?

[chapero82]

4 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

If he isn't then who is?

Musa

[Monsell1976]

6 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Musa

I'd add Leo and Okazaki to that as well 

[Lovejoy]

Just sack everyone! 

 

Christ I miss being in the Championship.

[waylander]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

So it's Shakey's fault we were bottom for 14 weeks because he was in Pearson's ear.

 

It's all his fault now when he can't pick his first choice players.

 

But let me guess he was in CR's ear when we won the title but it was feck all to do with him. Just the same as the promotion title was feck all to do with him.

He he well said and you make me smile sylofox ?

[Monsell1976]

There is no doubt Shakespeare is showing his naivety and inexperience, for me it's just how quick he learns will determine wether he's a success or not.

He has got a lot wrong since the back end of last season, until now, and playing the big clubs, there is no room for error.

He needs to be more positive, and these next run of fixtures, we will be clearer as to wether he's got what it takes, as there is a lot of winnable games.

It frustrates me he continues to be so predictable in his selection and formations, and tactics, but won't judge him on that until he has a fully fit squad, but that said, if he continues to play the weaker players when he has the options, he deserves everything he gets if we are not getting results, on this I mean the likes of James, Okazaki and others, getting starting spots, with better quality available.

 Again it's clear to see the influence Shakespeare had in the Pearson era, and I truly hope he gets it right, as the Pearson era was so divisive around the fan base on here, and around the ground, and the last thing we need is to go backwards and be divided again.

 As I have commented before, I'm not convinced by him, but we need to hold fire on writing him off, until the winter transfer window, if he's not doing well, get rid before the window, but fingers crossed he's got it together by then, as we really don't want another manager merry go round.

[lgfualol]

43 minutes ago, Bunyip said:

If he isn't then who is?

Ulloa, still scratching my head over his new contract.

Musa

Okazaki can't hit a barn door unless from 5 yards

[5waller5]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

So it's Shakey's fault we were bottom for 14 weeks because he was in Pearson's ear.

 

It's all his fault now when he can't pick his first choice players.

 

But let me guess he was in CR's ear when we won the title but it was feck all to do with him. Just the same as the promotion title was feck all to do with him.

To be fair, wasn't there lots of criticism of CR for not having CS in his ear and doing his own thing?? That's how i remember the sentiment on here.

 

Personally i didn't think it was a good idea promoting CS (he's a nice guy and i want him to succeed) but this is pretty much what i thought would happen .... let's just hope we don't continue to fade into more negative NP esque tactics, that i fear we will.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

Just sack everyone! 

 

Christ I miss being in the Championship.

Yeah some people are never happy. FT has become the worst place to hang out now. People just expect a win every game a 10/10 performance every game. Lets just go back to League 1

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Slimani isn't our worst striker you jabroni

Awesome word  

[Spicer]

People always get it wrong about the Arsenal match.

We took we took Okazaki off for Amartey at around 25-20 minutes to go. So we were playing 4-5-1 then.

With 10 minutes to go we bring James off for Iheanacho, a midfielder for a striker. Back to 4-4-2 and we concede 2 goals very quickly.

 

It wasn't going defensive that lost us the match at all. It was the opposite.

[sylofox]

29 minutes ago, waylander said:

He he well said and you make me smile sylofox ?

 

5 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

To be fair, wasn't there lots of criticism of CR for not having CS in his ear and doing his own thing?? That's how i remember the sentiment on here.

 

Personally i didn't think it was a good idea promoting CS (he's a nice guy and i want him to succeed) but this is pretty much what i thought would happen .... let's just hope we don't continue to fade into more negative NP esque tactics, that i fear we will.

I'm not saying CS is the answer as much as I hope he is.

 

But ffs we've played four games and look who 3 have been against.

 

Could we at least wait until we have played as many games against none top six sides.

 

ffs the mighty everton have one more point. 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 hour ago, maddog said:

Taking a striker off for a midfielder away at The Emirates when you're winning the game with less than 10 minutes left isn't negative, its what nearly all the Premier League managers would do (including the great Jose Mourinho). 

 

If Shakey didn't make that defensive change to shore it up and see the game out and we still lost, which is very possible away at Arsenal who regularly go on 10 minute bursts of attacking brilliance throughout the season, then he would be called out for not making that change. 

 

Guy can't win really. Let's see how we do against the mid table / relegation sides for several games before we pass judgement. The one game against Brighton in that vain so far was an easy win.

I see your point, but I still disagree really strongly with the subs he made that game.

We already sit deep, changing our formation and personnel to sit even deeper just never seems to work for us.  We're not as good at parking the bus as Man U and when we také a striker off all it does is bring pressure onto us with no relief, no outlet

It happens every single time we make this tactical change.  It always seems desperate and, in the end, pathetic.  I don't want to plan to scrape through every single game.  Should be able to play football for more or less 90 mins

[SheppyFox]

33 minutes ago, Spicer said:

People always get it wrong about the Arsenal match.

We took we took Okazaki off for Amartey at around 25-20 minutes to go. So we were playing 4-5-1 then.

With 10 minutes to go we bring James off for Iheanacho, a midfielder for a striker. Back to 4-4-2 and we concede 2 goals very quickly.

 

It wasn't going defensive that lost us the match at all. It was the opposite.

Yep

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

37 minutes ago, Spicer said:

People always get it wrong about the Arsenal match.

We took we took Okazaki off for Amartey at around 25-20 minutes to go. So we were playing 4-5-1 then.

With 10 minutes to go we bring James off for Iheanacho, a midfielder for a striker. Back to 4-4-2 and we concede 2 goals very quickly.

 

It wasn't going defensive that lost us the match at all. It was the opposite.

If we dropped off even more after the second switch I just blame that on the confusion born of switching formations twice in one half.   We were getting smashed as soon as we went to 4 5 1, like we do everytime we change to 4 5 1

[oxtonfox]

3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

If we dropped off even more after the second switch I just blame that on the confusion born of switching formations twice in one half.   We were getting smashed as soon as we went to 4 5 1, like we do everytime we change to 4 5 1

You are correct on 4-5-1; we have an abysmal record when we resort to that formation. Often we end up just clearing our lines, aimless balls up front to Vardy who's fighting a losing battle. We sink deeper and deeper and then the inevitable happens, we make a mistake and concede late on. When Shakespeare says we go to 4-3-3 (not 4-5-1) it is actually 4-5-1. Take Saturday when Mahrez was in is own half when he got the ball and we had no one to break out to. 

Personally I think we are better at 4-4-2; everyone seems to know their place in that formation. Sometimes it doesn't work especially against the better teams who defend and hold and use the ball better than the less good Prem teams. If we play 4-4-2 then we need Albrighton and often Okazaki to help out our defence and this seems crazy given they are supposed to be attacking players. We just need to carve enough points out of Huddersfield, West Brom, Palace Bournemouth etc. to get afloat and then maybe start to be more adventurous. 

 

[RumbleFox]

I love Albrighton and Okazaki and if you asked me right now to name our best TEAM (not necessarily best individual 11 but a best TEAM) I would probably name them both in it as they are so vital to the way we play.

 

However, I have been thinking (a dangerous pastime I know) and is there an argument to start games with Gray and Nacho and then bring on Okazaki and Alrighton to just both go proper fvcking run around mental for 20 minutes each to help us see games out?

 

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[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I see your point, but I still disagree really strongly with the subs he made that game.

We already sit deep, changing our formation and personnel to sit even deeper just never seems to work for us.  We're not as good at parking the bus as Man U and when we také a striker off all it does is bring pressure onto us with no relief, no outlet

It happens every single time we make this tactical change.  It always seems desperate and, in the end, pathetic.  I don't want to plan to scrape through every single game.  Should be able to play football for more or less 90 mins

Check out our league title season once we had played man city away (and we spent much of that game camped in our own third waiting to counter). all those 1-0's we scraped through.............

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

5 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Check out our league title season once we had played man city away (and we spent much of that game camped in our own third waiting to counter). all those 1-0's we scraped through.............

With Kante.  And that season is often described as a freak. 

[Guest]

OMGOP!

 

Thought this might be an interesting thread discussing the tactical variance that Shakey uses, compared to CR and NP and other Prem bosses. Thought it might be an intelligent discussion of the potential 3:5:2 or other alternative formations.

 

Imagine my disappointment when the first post was simply an anti-Shakey, anti-Slimani, anti-intelligence rant which could easily have been placed in one of the many "we've only got 3 points from 4 games" panic threads ignoring the fact that we've only lost away to 2 top 6 teams and at home to the prem champions (hardly suicidal promoting results).

 

That's FT!

[Babylon]

4 hours ago, foxoffderby said:

I enjoyed Shakey last season, however his subs at Arsenal were woeful and we lost a game we should of won because of them. 

We conceded two goals in three minutes of making the substitution, the first literally a minute after the change. People act like we surrendered the initiative we didn't have time to! The goals could have come whether he changed it or not as it was about poor marking. Same goes for united where N'didi switched off at a set piece and we're a goal behind.

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, 5waller5 said:

To be fair, wasn't there lots of criticism of CR for not having CS in his ear and doing his own thing?? That's how i remember the sentiment on here.

What was last season not the season before when we were actually doing OK.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

7 minutes ago, FIF said:

OMGOP!

 

Thought this might be an interesting thread discussing the tactical variance that Shakey uses, compared to CR and NP and other Prem bosses. Thought it might be an intelligent discussion of the potential 3:5:2 or other alternative formations.

 

Imagine my disappointment when the first post was simply an anti-Shakey, anti-Slimani, anti-intelligence rant which could easily have been placed in one of the many "we've only got 3 points from 4 games" panic threads ignoring the fact that we've only lost away to 2 top 6 teams and at home to the prem champions (hardly suicidal promoting results).

 

That's FT!

I'd be only too pleased to hear a nice discourse on the subtleties of Shakey's tactical variances.  the floor is yours, Fiffy...

[Babylon]

20 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Check out our league title season once we had played man city away (and we spent much of that game camped in our own third waiting to counter). all those 1-0's we scraped through.............

Anyone would think we were playing free flowing possession based football the way they go on