Do We Need To Consider Not Playing The Best Teams

[MrsJohnMurphy]

Cheers Trav, it's threads like this that make you realise which FTers you'd like to go for a drink with and those you avoid like the plague

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[Trav Le Bleu]

34 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said:

Cheers Trav, it's threads like this that make you realise which FTers you'd like to go for a drink with and those you avoid like the plague

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Ain't it!?

[Trav Le Bleu]

17 hours ago, Carl the Llama said:

Hmmmm yes.  Might I suggest we also try getting some in-house referees like the big teams do?  We might even be able to take them to away matches against the smaller teams!

Genius!

 

With the cut of your jib, we could sail all the way and win the World Cup!

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 hours ago, ozleicester said:

We need to play in the championship, that way we will be one of the top teams. 

Why didn't I think of that?!

 

You sir, are both a scholar and a gentleman!

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, nwl fox said:

I agree, some excellent points raised from the OP with decent analysis to back it up. HOWEVER, I do feel you've failed to address the issue of Bogey teams, that needs addressing as a matter of urgency...

Oh man, I feel so stupid right now! 

[foxy boxing]

We struggle against the top teams because, they are the top teams who have the best players with strikers who only need one chance and teams who know how they want to play. Who also have managers that are tactically astute. Generally most clubs will struggle against the top teams.

[Lestoh1]

4 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

We struggle against the top teams because, they are the top teams who have the best players with strikers who only need one chance and teams who know how they want to play. Who also have managers that are tactically astute. Generally most clubs will struggle against the top teams.

But we can make it a lot more awkward for them instead of picking tactics that set us up to fail and then writing games off afterwards.

 

Unexpected points against big teams would boost the whole season. Liverpool arent even that good they cant defend have two dross keepers and cant see games out. They were also under pressure from a bad run. They were an opportunity for points

[ZeGuy]

18 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

We struggle against the top teams because, they are the top teams who have the best players with strikers who only need one chance and teams who know how they want to play. Who also have managers that are tactically astute. Generally most clubs will struggle against the top teams.

That's why we should buy better players. Simples.

[mozartfox]

23 hours ago, DelBoy73 said:

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

 

Do not tell FIFA.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

23 hours ago, Charl91 said:

 

Have to agree.

 

By the logic of a lot of the forum, we may as well just give away 42 points a season, because we couldn't possibly expect to get anything from the top 7.

Yes.

 

Its as if we or anyone else have never beaten the odds as a underdog.

 

Of all the fans in the WORLD we should know that while this thread is made in a totally sarcastic tone, it's contents are complete BULLSHIT.

 

I am amazed how many people have jumped on the bandwagon perpetrated by this thread.

 

Think you ****ers think!

 

No doubt you are all behind Shakey with his attitude of attempting to keep the score down rather than have a go as winning matches? 

 

- No. I thought not.

[Charl91]

9 hours ago, Babylon said:

It's quite bloody simple, you shouldn't expect many points against the biggest teams and you should expect most of them against the worst teams, it's really not bloody rocket science it's a fact of football and almost any season you wish to talk about goes the same way barring a few freaks, but in a two horse race over 90 minutes you can get results that go against expectation. What matters is result over the long term as those exceptions work themselves out.

 

No, I disagree.

 

On an game-by-game basis, I wouldn't expect points of the top 6 or so. But over the course of a season, I would certainly expect some points from the top 6. A win, and a couple of draws, at least. We have every other season. If we had 0 points from the top teams, that would be terrible season.

 

Most other teams will get points from top teams at some point. A fair few already have.

 

[nwl fox]

11 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

No, I disagree.

 

On an game-by-game basis, I wouldn't expect points of the top 6 or so. But over the course of a season, I would certainly expect some points from the top 6. A win, and a couple of draws, at least. We have every other season. If we had 0 points from the top teams, that would be terrible season.

 

Most other teams will get points from top teams at some point. A fair few already have.

 

He said you wouldnt expect to get many points, you said you would expect to get some points. You basically seem to be saying the same thing....

[Tielemans63]

Also, I think it would be well worth announcing every new signing a few seconds just after every transfer window shuts. It makes perfect sense. The player in question can play from minute one when the next window opens, he is almost guaranteed to be injury free for a few months, no-one can buy him off you in the last minute of the window and most importantly your business is done in the first week of the next window while everyone else it just getting started.

 

He gets a lot of stick on here but John Rudkin is a genius, a visionary. He has that ability to think outside the box.

[smudger63]

11 hours ago, Babylon said:

So you think they are going to keep that up do you? They won't, just like last season they will lose far more than they gain against the bigger teams like everyone else.

Aww, Hello Mister Babylon, how nice to hear from you again, i`m so glad you have come to add your undoubted wisdom, what would this place be without you.

 After all, you know so much and are right about so many things, what a star you are..

So anyway, who gives a crap whether Burnley keep it up or not Mister Babylon, not me that`s for sure.

The point is, that the way people are going on, we are losing to the "big teams" because we should be, we shouldn`t be expecting anything better, and yet Burnley so far, which is what i said originally, no mention of them keeping on doing it, have managed to pick points up away at some of the bigger teams, so obviously not the impossible task that some seem to believe.

I don`t have a problem with us losing to Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool, i have a problem with people accepting that we should be, and to use it as an excuse for what has been a poor start to the season.

To be honest, i think but for some possible tactical inexperience  from the manager, we probably would and should have got something both at Arsenal and at home to Liverpool.

So the poor start for me, has had more to do with the inexperience of the manager than it has the teams we`ve played.

Hopefully Shakespeare is going to learn fast, and turn things around, because if he doesn`t and he gets sacked, we have another wasted season, with more upheavel, which in the longer term doesn`t usually end well.

 

 

[Lovejoy]

Wenger Out!

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Charl91 said:

 

No, I disagree.

 

On an game-by-game basis, I wouldn't expect points of the top 6 or so. But over the course of a season, I would certainly expect some points from the top 6. A win, and a couple of draws, at least. We have every other season. If we had 0 points from the top teams, that would be terrible season.

 

Most other teams will get points from top teams at some point. A fair few already have.

 

You need to read what I put again.

[Babylon]

39 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

Aww, Hello Mister Babylon, how nice to hear from you again, i`m so glad you have come to add your undoubted wisdom, what would this place be without you.

 After all, you know so much and are right about so many things, what a star you are..

So anyway, who gives a crap whether Burnley keep it up or not Mister Babylon, not me that`s for sure.

The point is, that the way people are going on, we are losing to the "big teams" because we should be, we shouldn`t be expecting anything better, and yet Burnley so far, which is what i said originally, no mention of them keeping on doing it, have managed to pick points up away at some of the bigger teams, so obviously not the impossible task that some seem to believe.

I don`t have a problem with us losing to Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Liverpool, i have a problem with people accepting that we should be, and to use it as an excuse for what has been a poor start to the season.

To be honest, i think but for some possible tactical inexperience  from the manager, we probably would and should have got something both at Arsenal and at home to Liverpool.

So the poor start for me, has had more to do with the inexperience of the manager than it has the teams we`ve played.

Hopefully Shakespeare is going to learn fast, and turn things around, because if he doesn`t and he gets sacked, we have another wasted season, with more upheavel, which in the longer term doesn`t usually end well.

 

 

Expect: to regard (something) as likely to happen.

 

Thought i'd put that definition there for you became you seem to have problems understanding what people say when they suggest people shouldn't expect points against those teams.

 

Nobody had said it's impossible, but the fact and it is a fact, teams including Burnley do and will over the course of a season drop far more than they gain against them. 

[FoxesDeb]

I've only just seen this and it's really brightened up my morning. I can't quite believe how it's gone completely over the heads of so many people though 

[drofmor55]

On 26/09/2017 at 17:25, Trav Le Bleu said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we should try a 5-0-5 formation to best utilise this.

Would love to see a team try this ...an end of season game when they are mid table perhaps.

 

Remember the Athletico Madrid game second half when we threw the proverbial kitchen sink at them..why do teams wait until the last ten minutes and desperate for a goal before they start lumping the ball into the box ..