Are We Now Established?

[SheppyFox]

Not yet  

[MC Prussian]

Too volatile a situation still.

 

We need stability - on many different levels. Manager, management, squad, fans' positivity/support, sportive success. There's been too many changes lately (manager/transfers) and that usually doesn't bode well.

 

Much depends on how the squad continues to be assembled and the transfers to come in the next few transfer windows.

Key players would have to remain for two, three more years at least.

We need to build a new spine to the team (and are in the process of doing so), as a couple of our longer-serving field players have hit their 30ies or are close doing so.

[Manwell Pablo]

Depends on your definition of established. Like most of these silly shit it's the international break what do we talk about threads,

 

I find it strange that my definition of established is done alright for three or four years, possibly got close to winning something. And a lot of others seems to be those that challenge for Europe every season with zero threat of relegation and no one else. But there we are.

 

but ultimately who gives a fck  we gave the term second season syndrome a brand new meaning. By the noise a lot of you are making mans scousers north London and Chelsea are the only ones who will ever earn that label and I'm quite happy what we did without it.

[dylanlegend]

Who knows?

 

We are a similar level to West Ham I would say. Big wage structure these days but not safe, look at Everton. The league is getting harder and harder, I would say only the 'top 6' are safe, we know who they are 

[somebum]

yeah mate sound

[Nalis]

Its so hard to define.

 

For example, if Newcastle finish in the top half ahead of Stoke and Stoke's squad goes to shit next season, are Stoke still more established than Newcastle next season as its only Newcastle's 2nd consecutive Premier League vs Stoke's 10th, despite (hypothetically) Newcastle having more chance of staying up next season and being a bigger club than Stoke? Same q for say, Swansea / Leeds if Leeds got promoted and stayed up.

 

As mentioned before, there's probably top 6, then Everton, then about 30 clubs teading leagues over the course of 25 years with the exception of the odd one /two season stayers in the Premier League (Barnsley/Bradford).

[ithuriel]

probably more than we've ever been if we finish top half this season, simply because in the past when we have survived any decent time in the top flight, it has been under a very good manager whose work is undone by the next and we end up relegated, by next season if things go well, we would be half a decade in having had four full time managers.

[whoareyaaa]

3 hours ago, ithuriel said:

probably more than we've ever been if we finish top half this season, simply because in the past when we have survived any decent time in the top flight, it has been under a very good manager whose work is undone by the next and we end up relegated, by next season if things go well, we would be half a decade in having had four full time managers.

I don't think we have ever been in this situation finically either so we are in a much better position than previously however others teams are shy of a few bob either, but I think with the quality of the players and that bank balance it should see us in a good position for years to come... of course we could be relegated but it would take a massive dip for that to happen.

[Mullet1]

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-placed-top-20-741903

 

didnt really know where to put this (or if it’s already here somewhere) 

[Captain...]

It depends what you mean.

 

If you ask 100 people to name a premier league club we would be in the top 10 of most popular answers.

If you look at average points and league position during our current spell in the top flight we are top 10.

If you are looking at total number of seasons spent in the top flight we are bottom half

If you are looking at how long we have been a premier league team in this current spell we are bottom half.

 

I don't think we are established and I don't really care if we are, look at Everton, clearly and established side, struggling with relegation, Villa a couple of seasons ago, Sunderland, were they established? Stoke you would consider as established but were flirting with relegation.

 

Being considered an established side is no guarantee of anything, and really there are now only 6 established sides, the rest are fighting it out for the scraps.

[steflcfc]

I would say a lot can change a teams outlook for the season to go from potentially safe to relegation candidates.

 

Owners want first and foremost to stay in the league as 100+ million quid is at stake.

Pressure is high to perform and 2/3 million to change managers/10m to replace players is loose change to some owners.

 

Managers/back room changes, instant changes in style of play, player recruitment being not up to standard.

 

Disruption on the field can have big consequences Players wanting out/Split Changing room, If you don’t give 100% most weeks your in trouble.

 

Confidence in football is Huge, as once that goes things on the pitch can de-rail pretty fast, just see how Everton looked recent weeks and Sunderland have been for a while.

 

As all premiership sides have a relatively big budget and most can offer 40k plus a week, the so called “smaller sides” can recruite decent players making the quality of the league better and in turn making it harder to stay up.

[Aus Fox]

Villa, Leeds, Forest amongst others would have considered themselves established top flight teams. It means nothing! 

Every Premeier league team is one really poor decision away from going down, a financial backer leaving, a poor managerial appointment or a terrible transfer window.

 There have been only 6 different Premier League winners in its history, and half of those teams have played in League One since the start of the Premier League. This trend continues throughout history, 24 different teams have won the top division, 12 of those currently play outside the top division.

So what does it mean to be established? Feck all

[81pts]

I don’t think we are established because, as mentioned above, we are 2-3 signings away from relegation. However we are more secure than in recent years.

 

To counter that the main problem is that expectations have changed. Once we start to achieve consistent expectations then I would say we are established (at that level)

[Wymsey]

Need to be settled in a good league position for another few seasons before the club can be perceived as such.

But, at least, we are in a position that teams like Derby/Forest/Leeds etc would certainly aspire to.