Ted Maul Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 We're in a very good position, but we need to build on it- if you stand still in football, you get left behind. - State of the art training facilities - Expanded stadium - Transfer windows where we bring in the likes of Maguire, Iborra and Silva instead of Mendy, Musa and Kaputska. The more you build well, the longer the decline will take and the more time you have to turn things around.
Matt Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 3 hours ago, Voll Blau said: I've said it before and I'll say it again. We won it. You can't get any more established than that. But then we've gone back to flirting with relegation again. As others have said 3 to 4 years of consistant mid-table or higher finished, not flirting with relegation at all and yes we're established imo. That's not to say on the 5 year we might blip and get involved in a relegation battle but even so consistant mid-table or higher is the aim, that is the standard I want - easier said than done I understand. The relegation battle and constantly looking over our shoulders is what's pissed me off so much since the title win, when we were at our strongest, have most to offer, we threw opportunities away and arguable became weaker than we'd been in years again, we failed to build and normality (Struggling and relegation battles) resumed again.
Sir Shep Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 It's the thought of being relegated and ending up in the shite that scares me, this of cause is a very realistic possibility as we've won the league and then could have ended up relegated just by losing one player and not replacing him properly (amongst a couple of other things but let's face it Kante was a huge loss). Every season I'll always look to get the 40 points first so I'll never think we are an established top flight side.
fuchsntf Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 48 minutes ago, Staffs Fox said: There is literally nothing such thing, Look at Villa, you couldn’t get more so-called ‘established’ they’re now playing Rotherham. Newcastle have been relegated twice in the last 10 years. No matter how well you’ve done you’re only 12 months from potential relegation, I’m available for motivational speaking if needed! This very post depressed me, I am totally de-motivated...So your appontment has been cancelled..
Bert Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 3 hours ago, davieG said: Ask Aston Villa or even Coventry who spent 25 years or so in the top division. So No. 5 years ago you would say ah Villa, they're an established premier league club. I would say right now we are established.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Only a matter of time before we get relegated again whenever that is, so being "established" is completely subjective based on how long a stay in the Prem each of us thinks is a success.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 4 hours ago, Koke said: Every team bar top 6 + Everton have spent time outside the top flight at some point in the last 10 years. Stoke have the longest stint with 9 years. Every team bar top 6 are couple of bad transfer windows away from relegation. Absolutely this
Great Boos Up Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 What a great question. Not yet, but hopefully now is almost the exact cusp of being scared of relegation.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 5 hours ago, Koke said: Every team bar top 6 + Everton have spent time outside the top flight at some point in the last 10 years. Stoke have the longest stint with 9 years. Every team bar top 6 are couple of bad transfer windows away from relegation. It's sad to think that we can't even entertain the idea that any of the big 6 could be relegated, especially when you consider that at least two of them were yoyo clubs themselves not so long ago.
An Away Move Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 I do like to think we are established now. We probably have the strongest squad in our history and we should always from this point on have enough in the locker to out punch whoever gets promoted both on the pitch and financially. That said, you only have to look at Everton this season to see how it can all implode. Who would have predicted they would have struggled like this pre season after so much investment?!
ajthefox Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Why is there an obsession with this word? It means fvck all. We're in the Premier League and we're doing alright. We won the fecker and played in a CL quarter final season before last but it is not inconceivable that we could be playing Shrewsbury away on a Tuesday night next year. What is the need for a bloody label? Christ.
Wymsey Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Think the question is more - is Leicester City a massive club? The club is, yes.
Mr Weller Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Instead of arguing about the definition of 'established' which is just a phrase of convenience why not describe what we have become? It is surely fair to say we have a decent chance of staying in the top flight for another few years, and the longest we'd been before was around 7 years so that in itself would suggest a change. I'd say the club is potentially stronger than at any time since 1884 and another 2-3 years would see most fans thinking is us as established in the normal sense i.e. people are used to seeing us there.
mozartfox Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 Florist and the Sheep are established Clubs. Established in the Championship.
filthyfox Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 16 hours ago, Koke said: Every team bar top 6 + Everton have spent time outside the top flight at some point in the last 10 years. Stoke have the longest stint with 9 years. Every team bar top 6 are couple of bad transfer windows away from relegation. Thank god there are teams with worse transfer records than us!.... can't think of many though
filthyfox Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 9 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said: Think the question is more - is Leicester City a massive club? The club is, yes. 3 million ties won't disagree... I think that's the amount the club sold last year (of ties)
filthyfox Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 13 hours ago, Ted Maul said: We're in a very good position, but we need to build on it- if you stand still in football, you get left behind. - State of the art training facilities - Expanded stadium - Transfer windows where we bring in the likes of Maguire, Iborra and Silva instead of Mendy, Musa and Kaputska. The more you build well, the longer the decline will take and the more time you have to turn things around. We had a transfer window when we bought in silva? We won't actually see him play til mid Feb as he will either be unfit or crocked like the rest of Rudkin's bargains (apart from Maguire)
Voll Blau Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 15 hours ago, Matt said: But then we've gone back to flirting with relegation again. As others have said 3 to 4 years of consistant mid-table or higher finished, not flirting with relegation at all and yes we're established imo. That's not to say on the 5 year we might blip and get involved in a relegation battle but even so consistant mid-table or higher is the aim, that is the standard I want - easier said than done I understand. The relegation battle and constantly looking over our shoulders is what's pissed me off so much since the title win, when we were at our strongest, have most to offer, we threw opportunities away and arguable became weaker than we'd been in years again, we failed to build and normality (Struggling and relegation battles) resumed again. Probably two-thirds to three-quarters of the division are only ever two or three bad results away from "flirting with relegation" for most of each season. Since we've come up we've finished 14th, 1st and 12th - so apart from the anomaly of the title winning season I'd say that's a fairly consistent record. I just find this stability argument so tiresome. Just enjoy the ride FFS and accept that some seasons we'll finish higher and some we'll finish lower. It's the same argument people have used in the past about why we shouldn't go for Cups, and it winds me up. Apart from six or seven clubs in the whole country, no one's place in the top flight is ever likely to be completely set in stone.
shen Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 17 hours ago, Koke said: Every team bar top 6 + Everton have spent time outside the top flight at some point in the last 10 years. Stoke have the longest stint with 9 years. Every team bar top 6 are couple of bad transfer windows away from relegation. It's ironic that Everton, having finally spent lavishly and absolutely put to bed the idea that they're a "poor" club where managers have to work within a "very limited" budget, find themselves in the position they do. I'd suggest there's a strong correllation between being a rich club that spends and being 'established'. Spunk enough money, which the 'top 6' do, then you're bound to have enough quality to stay up.
Finnaldo Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 'Established' means nothing to me. Unless you're a football conglomerate the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U/City etc. you'll never be guaranteed Premier League football. Even Everton who have been top division since the 50s have looked in hot water this season. This fallacy of 'top 10 finishes' mean nothing, unless you're successful and winning trophies or at least in the running you'll never attract top talent and as a result bad starts/patches can always leave you hanging on the edge. Infrastructure can help give an advantage, but constant success is the only way to stay in this league.
WigstonWanderer Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 Don't think there's any such thing as established outside of the top six. As for the top six, well we can only hope.... ?
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 Nope, wouldn't say so. Established PL clubs - Top 6, Everton, West Brom, Stoke, Southampton, Swansea (based on a combo of number of seasons in PL, and no of mid-table or better finishes) Getting there - Leicester, West Ham, Watford, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace Newcomers - Burnley, Newcastle, Brighton, Huddersfield Being established is overrated though because you can never be safe from relegation - look at Swansea, West Brom and the Ev this season
Hammo Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 'Established Premier League club' is just a subjective cliche favoured by football pundits and commentators and means next to nothing. 'Premier League Champions' on the other hand....
Cincinnati Fox Posted 7 November 2017 Posted 7 November 2017 No, we need stability. at the minute we are either great or awful
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