whoareyaaa Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 After being known as a yo-yo club through the 90's and 2000's can we now consider the club to be an established Premiere League team for many years to come? what with the continued investment and support from the owners, or are we still liable to be relegated just as easily? I think we have came along way as a club in a short space of time and things won't get much worse than the previous season.
Lovejoy Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 I would never admit to being established, as I firmly believe that would lead us to be relegated that season .
Babylon Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 No, if we can have three seasons without flirting with relegation second half of the season then maybe.
Koke Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Every team bar top 6 + Everton have spent time outside the top flight at some point in the last 10 years. Stoke have the longest stint with 9 years. Every team bar top 6 are couple of bad transfer windows away from relegation.
Crinklyfox Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 We were a 'yo-yo' club long before the 90s. We need to have sufficient quality in the squad season after season in order to be able to guarantee mid-table/top half finishes year after year. We're not there yet by a long way. We looked solid under MON for three seasons with top half finishes then were relegated.
Voll Blau Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 I've said it before and I'll say it again. We won it. You can't get any more established than that.
davieG Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Ask Aston Villa or even Coventry who spent 25 years or so in the top division. So No.
lgfualol Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 No, because we have to keep firing people in order to be safe. It can all go to shit quite quickly.
Harry - LCFC Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 We've been in the top division a while now and I feel fairly secure here. Yes, we're established IMO. 31 minutes ago, blue blood said: What is your definition of 'established'? He's asking you to define that! If there was a set definition of 'established' then it would be an easy question to answer. But of course it's actually a subjective term that depends on your personal judgement.
fazzyfox Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Not quite but it's looking more likely as seeds are sown in better training facilities, tying young prospects to long contracts, improving (supposedly) on the business side which should mean we're better set up than 40-50% of the other clubs in the League each season. Also our "standards" which saw managers sacked as soon as we looked in danger of relegation (the exception being Pearson who was given the opportunity to help us escape) means the owners are not willing to put up with the idea of us scrapping around for points to lift us into 17th place. The key components are our infrastructure (improving), Squad (Very good but this is a variable that can change) and the decisions you make (which is the most questionable factor). I can't see the three components all diminish enough to risk our future in the division but they do need constant monitoring and addressing which is what appears to be happening. Things can change very quickly though, Swansea may have felt they were on the way to being established until last season and "big clubs" like Newcastle and Villa with their superior stadium capacities weren't just relegated from a competitive league but were awful sides. I used to say aim to be where Southampton and Swansea are / were and then said why not aim to compete with Everton for 7th, that was the steady consistent, established Everton that will always compete for 7th....and maybe they will but look at them at the moment, shambolics with a little bit of sham and plenty of the other. With what we have done and what we continue to do we give ourselves every chance of being established, yes we failed to build on a golden opportunity in the summer following the title win and further challenges await (replacing Morgan, probably dealing with life without Mahrez) but a top 10 finish (I still think 7th or 8th is on) this season should just about be enough to justify the claim.
winteriscoming Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 No I think as soon as you think you are things can go wrong. Look at sides in the champship who probably thought they were - fulham, leeds, villa etc. Like this season all it would take atm would be for vardy to get injured and were fvcked and the same applies to the midfield. You can say there's options up front but it's quantity rather than quality. Just imagine if Iborra was out for a while - king playing from now to jan. I don't think well be picking many points up.
hairy Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Surely avoiding the drop gives something to celebrate but if you are of the mindset we should never be relegated then what is there to look forward to. I have to ask does it matter if we are or not?
Monsell1976 Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 A couple of seasons of not fighting relegation yes, but at present no. We have spent time in the premier league, but we have spent more time in the lower divisions in recent history, so we are far from an established top fight team.
murphy Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 1 hour ago, Crinklyfox said: We were a 'yo-yo' club long before the 90s. We need to have sufficient quality in the squad season after season in order to be able to guarantee mid-table/top half finishes year after year. We're not there yet by a long way. We looked solid under MON for three seasons with top half finishes then were relegated. That is true but Peter Taylor's criminal mismanagement bordered on industrial sabotage. Totally avoidable and self-inflicted.
Kitchandro Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: After being known as a yo-yo club through the 90's and 2000's can we now consider the club to be an established Premiere League team for many years to come? what with the continued investment and support from the owners, or are we still liable to be relegated just as easily? I think we have came along way as a club in a short space of time and things won't get much worse than the previous season. So we weren't established when we had 5 successive years of midtable (4 years top half) finishes in the 90s but we are established after 3 years and only 1 top half finish? Strange logic. Being established is a myth, and we are a perfect example. We've gone from Europe to relegation strugglers in the space of 12 months in 2 seperate eras. I also don't get the term yo-yoing. It must be such a broad phrase as there are about 6 or 7 clubs in the entire country who never get relegated, and 5 or 6 successive years in one division is apparently not sufficient to save you from being labeled as a 'yo-yo club'.
Guest Col city fan Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: Nope. Need 3/4 top half finishes first IMO. You might find this amazing (I find it amazing), but I completely agree. 3/4 top half finishes and strength in depth for most positions equates to 'established' imo.
Bryn Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 Being established does not mean impervious to relegation, I don't think there is a single team in the league that is invulnerable to relegation. Even the top six, with their foreign owners, are only a financial/administration meltdown away from a dogfight. i would say we are established, and join the ranks of other established clubs like West Brom and Stoke who are only a few missteps away from oblivion.
jim5000 Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 We will always be in the group of clubs that is 1 bad managerial appointment away from relegation. For now the owners at least seem willing to make the changes needed to keep us up if the worst becomes a possibility - see the Shakespeare and Ranieri sackings.
Fox92 Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 We won the fvcking thing. Of course we're "established",
Staffs Fox Posted 6 November 2017 Posted 6 November 2017 There is literally nothing such thing, Look at Villa, you couldn’t get more so-called ‘established’ they’re now playing Rotherham. Newcastle have been relegated twice in the last 10 years. No matter how well you’ve done you’re only 12 months from potential relegation, I’m available for motivational speaking if needed!
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