Blackpool FC

[David Hankey]

Having relations in that part of the country I have been following the shenanigans of how this football club has been run, in particular, since their arrival to the Premiership and subsequent demise to the lower leagues. The huge finances that have been squandered and benefited only a certain family just highlights the fact this is no way or model to run a football club.

 

Yesterday's Court ruling which ordered the major shareholders, the Oyston family, to buy out another shareholder, Belokon, for £31.27M could mean the end for this once proud club. I wonder what the Club President, Jimmy Armfield, a life-long servant and player with Blackpool thinks.

[Captain...]

It's pretty sickening what the Oyston family have done, but we have seen it before and clubs survive one way or another. As soon as they are gone, or the club is wound up the better. Most likely a fans run initiative will buy out the club or create a new club, like AFC Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon fans have had a great time over the last 15 years, and Portsmouth fans have turned that club around. The sooner the Oystons are evicted the better it will be for everyone associated with football, quickly followed by the Venky's and the Duchalets at Charlton and that bloke that has screwed up Leyton Orient.

[Finnegan]

People get dewy eyed and emotional about football clubs going bust but it's the organisation, the commercial enterprise, that gets dissolved, not really the club itself. 

 

If Leicester went insolvent, we'd be back as a phoenix club the following season. There'll always be football in Leicester. That club would be no less LCFC than Hereford is Hereford, Wimbledon is Wimbledon or Darlington is Darlington. 

 

We wouldn't need a piece of paper to tell us we'd existed since 1884 just because some legal and fiscal shenanigans meant we technically had to be reformed in 2018.

 

The sooner Blackpool fold, the sooner they can get rid of the Oyston era entirely and crack on. Sure, they'll have to drop through the leagues and spend time getting back to where they belong but it wouldn't take forever. 

 

They'll always be the Tangerines whatever happens, the fans make the club not the owners of the deeds.

Edited 7 November 2017 by Finnegan

[Fox92]

33 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

People get dewy eyed and emotional about football clubs going bust but it's the organisation, the commercial enterprise, that gets dissolved, not really the club itself. 

 

If Leicester went insolvent, we'd be back as a phoenix club the following season. There'll always be football in Leicester. That club would be no less LCFC than Hereford is Hereford, Wimbledon is Wimbledon or Darlington is Darlington. 

 

We wouldn't need a piece of paper to tell us we'd existed since 1884 just because some legal and fiscal shenanigans meant we technically had to be reformed in 2018.

 

The sooner Blackpool fold, the sooner they can get rid of the Oyston era entirely and crack on. Sure, they'll have to drop through the leagues and spend time getting back to where they belong but it wouldn't take forever. 

 

They'll always be the Tangerines whatever happens, the fans make the club not the owners of the deeds.

But you're losing the history aren't you?

 

I don't think AFC Wimbledon have their previous honours and they are a "new club" - as such, I understand what you're saying.

 

Okay, Blackpool haven't won too much but I'm sure they are very proud about themselves and the Matthews Cup final in addition to historic players such as Matthews, Mortensen and Armfield.

[Voll Blau]

I lived up there for two years and all the fans seem delighted about this?

[David Hankey]

I'm just amazed that given the fact that both Oyston Senior has been in prison and his son Karl have been made bankrupt how this fits in with the FA's fit and proper person policy? Of course, we all know that like FIFA the FA are also corrupt so what chance has football really.

[Finnegan]

36 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

But you're losing the history aren't you?

 

I don't think AFC Wimbledon have their previous honours and they are a "new club" - as such, I understand what you're saying.

 

Okay, Blackpool haven't won too much but I'm sure they are very proud about themselves and the Matthews Cup final in addition to historic players such as Matthews, Mortensen and Armfield.

 

Why are you losing your history? 

 

AFC Wimbledon are just Wimbledon, Hereford FC are just Hereford United. 

 

Who cares what a registration form at the FA says? 

 

If we reform next year as Leicester City 2018, ain't nobody going to tell me that that club has never won the league. You don't lose any memories, you don't lose any tradition. 

 

At the risk of sounding very corny, the club is in our hearts and in our minds - it's not on paper. 

 

LCFC is the people of Leicester who follow the football team of our city, whatever it's called. 

 

It's why I get bamboozled by the people that get dramatic and say they'd stop going if our owners changed the colour to red or the changed the badge or whatever. The club isn't any of that shit, the club is just us. The fans. 

 

There's not an owner, a banker, an administrator or an FA official that can change that. 

 

You reregister a club and call it Blackpool FC, it's not going to be any less Blackpool than the current one. They're perfectly entitled to say **** you and take their trophy cabinet with them. 

[Fox92]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

Why are you losing your history? 

 

AFC Wimbledon are just Wimbledon, Hereford FC are just Hereford United. 

 

Who cares what a registration form at the FA says? 

 

If we reform next year as Leicester City 2018, ain't nobody going to tell me that that club has never won the league. You don't lose any memories, you don't lose any tradition. 

 

At the risk of sounding very corny, the club is in our hearts and in our minds - it's not on paper. 

 

LCFC is the people of Leicester who follow the football team of our city, whatever it's called. 

 

It's why I get bamboozled by the people that get dramatic and say they'd stop going if our owners changed the colour to red or the changed the badge or whatever. The club isn't any of that shit, the club is just us. The fans. 

 

There's not an owner, a banker, an administrator or an FA official that can change that. 

 

You reregister a club and call it Blackpool FC, it's not going to be any less Blackpool than the current one. They're perfectly entitled to say **** you and take their trophy cabinet with them. 

I guess I was referring to honors because they aren't "on paper" .

 

Wimbledon that won the FA Cup don't exist to the FA, but to the fans, as you say, it exists. I understand what you're getting at.

[Finnegan]

35 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I guess I was referring to honors because they aren't "on paper" .

 

Wimbledon that won the FA Cup don't exist to the FA, but to the fans, as you say, it exists. I understand what you're getting at.

 

Since when do we need the give a shit what the FA say on paper? 

 

This stuff about licences and all of that lost any merit when Winkleman was allowed to use Wimbledon's league membership to make a club in Milton ****ing Keynes. 

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

But you're losing the history aren't you?

 

I don't think AFC Wimbledon have their previous honours and they are a "new club" - as such, I understand what you're saying.

 

Okay, Blackpool haven't won too much but I'm sure they are very proud about themselves and the Matthews Cup final in addition to historic players such as Matthews, Mortensen and Armfield.

I dont think really modern day history is what a peice of paper says it is... If we did indeed reform next year as Leicester City, 'we' would of still won the league a couple of years back...

[EastAnglianFox]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

But you're losing the history aren't you?

 

I don't think AFC Wimbledon have their previous honours and they are a "new club" - as such, I understand what you're saying.

 

Okay, Blackpool haven't won too much but I'm sure they are very proud about themselves and the Matthews Cup final in addition to historic players such as Matthews, Mortensen and Armfield.

 

See I agree 100% with this, its a shame but I totally see AFC Wimbledon as a new club and in my head cannot at all link them as one to the same team such as the prem side under Joe Kinnear, the FA Cup win, The Crazy Gang etc. 

 

I fear the same for Blackpool if/when it happens, I totally get what @Finnegan is saying that it is just a handful of papers that split the old team from the new but unfortunately (for me anyway) ill probably always see them as two different teams.

[Voll Blau]

Why does everyone think Blackpool will fold as a result of this? Oystons are more likely to sell up to someone who wants to run the club properly as a result of this now.

[CosbehFox]

21 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Why does everyone think Blackpool will fold as a result of this? Oystons are more likely to sell up to someone who wants to run the club properly as a result of this now.

Problem is that the court order of £xxxx million pounds gives an artificial value of the club. 

 

There’s been a non league club for the past few seasons playing in Blackpool colours and in town. 

 

Blackpool is slightly different from most clubs in that a good section of their support doesn’t live in the town. It’s Blackpool FC for them and I’d question how much of that support would translate to a Phoenix club playing in non league. Particularly when Fleetwood and A.F.C. Fylde are in the area.

[Voll Blau]

4 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Problem is that the court order of £xxxx million pounds gives an artificial value of the club. 

 

There’s been a non league club for the past few seasons playing in Blackpool colours and in town. 

 

Blackpool is slightly different from most clubs in that a good section of their support doesn’t live in the town. It’s Blackpool FC for them and I’d question how much of that support would translate to a Phoenix club playing in non league. Particularly when Fleetwood and A.F.C. Fylde are in the area.

I think the hardcore NAPM brigade would possibly try, but as you say they have a ready made club in the form of AFC Blackpool they could just adopt.

 

As you also mention, Fleetwood and Fylde have already hoovered up a decent chunk too (not to mention the good number of PNE fans in the area) but I think there'll always be a market for a Blackpool club. When I was up there I very much got the sense supporting Blackpool was a status symbol for locals who wanted to prove they were 'proper' rather than just inmigrants from other parts of the north who've settled there.

[Nalis]

On 07/11/2017 at 11:36, Finnegan said:

People get dewy eyed and emotional about football clubs going bust but it's the organisation, the commercial enterprise, that gets dissolved, not really the club itself. 

 

If Leicester went insolvent, we'd be back as a phoenix club the following season. There'll always be football in Leicester. That club would be no less LCFC than Hereford is Hereford, Wimbledon is Wimbledon or Darlington is Darlington. 

 

We wouldn't need a piece of paper to tell us we'd existed since 1884 just because some legal and fiscal shenanigans meant we technically had to be reformed in 2018.

 

The sooner Blackpool fold, the sooner they can get rid of the Oyston era entirely and crack on. Sure, they'll have to drop through the leagues and spend time getting back to where they belong but it wouldn't take forever. 

 

They'll always be the Tangerines whatever happens, the fans make the club not the owners of the deeds.

 

Can someone post this to every Celtic they know please? Personally prefer Celtic to Rangers but the 'Sevco' taunts fired at Rangers fans are really getting old now....

[purpleronnie]

And the referee for the next Blackpool game?

 

Mr Ben Toner

 

I kid you not.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, purpleronnie said:

And the referee for the next Blackpool game?

 

Mr Ben Toner

 

I kid you not.

He’s actually been dropped for Jon Moss because ‘increased attention’

[purpleronnie]

2 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

He’s actually been dropped for Jon Moss because ‘increased attention’

booooo

[Wymsey]

Club up for sale.

Hopefully a brighter and fairer future for both the club and supporters in not too far a distant period.

Edited 10 November 2017 by Wymeswold fox

[Voll Blau]

Sam is Karl's son, for anyone who doesn't know. He's also a moron.

[Wymsey]

9 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Sam is Karl's son, for anyone who doesn't know. He's also a moron.

A bit of a risk at quite an early age to take that type of role on imo.

I thought the same about Dave Whelan's son at Wigan, though he's apparently doing well.

He probably is a moron considering he's from that particular family..had a quick look at his Twitter and it's protected - but wouldn't be surprised if anything put on there by him is controversial.

Karl showed himself up when he had a go at some Tangerines fan under some username on their forum..

Edited 16 January 2018 by Wymeswold fox

[Rob1742]

On 07/11/2017 at 12:14, Fox92 said:

But you're losing the history aren't you?

 

I don't think AFC Wimbledon have their previous honours and they are a "new club" - as such, I understand what you're saying.

 

Okay, Blackpool haven't won too much but I'm sure they are very proud about themselves and the Matthews Cup final in addition to historic players such as Matthews, Mortensen and Armfield.

Think Wimbledon is a bit different. They got purchased and renamed MK Dons, so if anything, MK Dons can claim Wimbledon’s history more than the new Wimbledon.

 

When we went bust, I think the new business would have taken over the old business in its entirety, so has a real connection to the old business.

 

Not sure what has happened at other clubs, but if a club has officially died and the administrators have not sold it onto another business, I suppose that old history could well be judged a bit sketchy when the New club eventually forms.

 

If I was a Wimbledon fan, unfortunately I would feel more than a bit distant to its history, it being a completely new club and the old one having formed MK Dons. But with Leicester, it’s just new owners formed out of administration and so you take your history with you. 

[Voll Blau]

18 hours ago, Wymeswold fox said:

A bit of a risk at quite an early age to take that type of role on imo.

I thought the same about Dave Whelan's son at Wigan, though he's apparently doing well.

He probably is a moron considering he's from that particular family..had a quick look at his Twitter and it's protected - but wouldn't be surprised if anything put on there by him is controversial.

Karl showed himself up when he had a go at some Tangerines fan under some username on their forum..

Hmmmmmm, I wonder why...

 

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/sam-oyston-pays-pool-fan-20-000-in-damages-1-7257437

[filbertway]

26 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Hmmmmmm, I wonder why...

 

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/sam-oyston-pays-pool-fan-20-000-in-damages-1-7257437

20k for that? Jesus christ, what a time to be alive.

[Vlad the Fox]

On 17 January 2018 at 08:27, Rob1742 said:

Think Wimbledon is a bit different. They got purchased and renamed MK Dons, so if anything, MK Dons can claim Wimbledon’s history more than the new Wimbledon.

 

When we went bust, I think the new business would have taken over the old business in its entirety, so has a real connection to the old business.

 

Not sure what has happened at other clubs, but if a club has officially died and the administrators have not sold it onto another business, I suppose that old history could well be judged a bit sketchy when the New club eventually forms.

 

If I was a Wimbledon fan, unfortunately I would feel more than a bit distant to its history, it being a completely new club and the old one having formed MK Dons. But with Leicester, it’s just new owners formed out of administration and so you take your history with you. 

I agree though I'm sure I read somewhere that mk dons didn't claim the cup win or history, they let afc Wimbledon have it, so in effect mk Dons became the new club. 

 

Edit: A quick check seems to show as Wimbledon being dissolved and dons and afc both forming as new clubs with no history. 

Edited 18 January 2018 by Vlad the Fox