Should Riyad Mahrez play for the club again?

[Bazly]

Its refreshing to see the MSM starting to turn on Mahrez to a more realistic assessment beyond the initial dicks like Robbie Savage 'he deserves to be at a bigger club and LC should have sold whatever the price' clap trap. LC have given Mahrez everything, the pay and the platform and it is hardly the clubs fault that MC didn't value his services as highly as we do. If it were my club and my money I'd stick him in the under 23's for the remainder of the season whilst offering up a new 4 year contract with an £80mn buy out clause.

 

Missing a tenth of the season so far, someone pass me a dummy to send onto him.

[chapero82]

1 minute ago, Bazly said:

Its refreshing to see the MSM starting to turn on Mahrez to a more realistic assessment beyond the initial dicks like Robbie Savage 'he deserves to be at a bigger club and LC should have sold whatever the price' clap trap. LC have given Mahrez everything, the pay and the platform and it is hardly the clubs fault that MC didn't value his services as highly as we do. If it were my club and my money I'd stick him in the under 23's for the remainder of the season whilst offering up a new 4 year contract with an £80mn buy out clause.

 

Missing a tenth of the season so far, someone pass me a dummy to send onto him.

That’s if he turns back up!

[hackneyfox]

7 hours ago, toddybad said:

Football contracts are based on a pfa model which does indeed cover things like fines. 

What does it actually say?

Can we withhold his pay for not playing?

How long can we do that for?

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, hackneyfox said:

What does it actually say?

Can we withhold his pay for not playing?

How long can we do that for?

I don't think we can withhold his pay, but we can fine him a weeks wages when he doesn't turn up.

[hackneyfox]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

I don't think we can withhold his pay, but we can fine him a weeks wages when he doesn't turn up.

So that's withholding his pay effectively, but how long are we entitled to do this?

Are footballers treated differently to the rest of us?

 

Toddybad says there's a pfa model which covers fines but doesn't tell us what it actually says.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

The longer this charade continues the worse it is going to turn out for Mahrez.

 

He should now be pilloried in the media to the extent that Payet was at West Ham when he went on strike.

 

Its blindingly obvious be cares not about LCFC, us fans or his legacy with the club. 

 

For over a year I was very critical of his attitude, and after what now appears to be a false dawn over the last few months, ‘the chickens have come home to roost’.

 

Hes a total twat, and we should not forget this when we reminisce; he’s turned on us good and proper.

This is talking sense buddy

 

yes the baby has well and truly butt fvcked the fans and deserves every last bit of criticism he hopefully will get

 

disgusting excuse of a football player, no matter how good he has been he has definitely turned on us 

[Stevosevic]

I do question what is going through his head. 

 

I understand his initial anger but surely he realises he looks a tit now?

[norwichfox]

In reference as to whether or not LCFC can deduct money from his wages:

 

Your employer is not allowed to make a deduction from your pay or wages unless:

    it is required or allowed by law, for example National Insurance, income tax or student loan repayments
    you agree in writing to a deduction
    your contract of employment says they can
    it is a result of any statutory disciplinary proceedings
    there is a statutory payment due to a public authority
    you have not worked due to taking part in a strike or industrial action
    it is to recover an earlier overpayment of wages or expenses
    it is a result of a court order

 

Extract from this page:

 

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/pay-deductions

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

What does it actually say?

Can we withhold his pay for not playing?

How long can we do that for?

Maximum fine is two weeks. Club can appeal to the pfa with a max on appeal of 6 weeks. Funnily enough, this was discussed when tevez went AWOL from man City...

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8854048/Manchester-City-accuse-PFA-of-conflict-of-interest-over-Carlos-Tevez-fine.html

 

[FrankieADZ]

7 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I do question what is going through his head. 

 

I understand his initial anger but surely he realises he looks a tit now?

you'd think that any sensible person would come back and get their head done and work harder to show a club(Man City or whoever wants him)that he is worth the value we have on him, of course at the start he'd be angry and that but hes still on a very good wage at a club where hes able to showcase his talents week in and out(not at the minute), im sure some of this is down to his agent too imo

though its all getting out of hand now for me, and really isnt reflecting well on him more so than the club, all hes doing in the long run is giving himself a label, in having an attitude problem if he doesnt get his way

and tarnishing his imagine with it all too

[eddiemar]

Norwichfox is of course correct. All the talk of how many times we can fine him, can we fine him? Etc etc is almost irelevant. If he doesnt turn up for work ( training, matches) then the club will not pay him. ...a footballers contract is still an employment contract and no employer would continue paying wages if the employee didnt do the minimum and turn up for work without a valid reason.( we of course dont know if in this case the club have given him a few days leave )

[FLAN]

Ian Wright on Sky’s The Debate mirrored a conversation I had with my mate the other night 

Mahrez is now showing himself as an unreliable character and someone who can switch in an instant which the likes of Pep will not want in their dressing rooms. He’s harming his future more than he can possibly realise right now 

[FLAN]

1 minute ago, eddiemar said:

Norwichfox is of course correct. All the talk of how many times we can fine him, can we fine him? Etc etc is almost irelevant. If he doesnt turn up for work ( training, matches) then the club will not pay him. ...a footballers contract is still an employment contract and no employer would continue paying wages if the employee didnt do the minimum and turn up for work without a valid reason.( we of course dont know if in this case the club have given him a few days leave )

We paid King for 10 years...

 

[FoxFossil]

Re-run the poll. If we can show reducing support and then tweet this to Gary, maybe, just maybe Mahrez will get the message.

 

[yorkie1999]

Discussing it on the radio now, saying they can fine him every week and the club should stand firm.

Edited 7 February 2018 by yorkie1999

[ZeGuy]

1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said:

Is the Chinese window still open? Can we **** him off there for a huge fee.

Nope you can't.

[dylanlegend]

36 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Maximum fine is two weeks. Club can appeal to the pfa with a max on appeal of 6 weeks. Funnily enough, this was discussed when tevez went AWOL from man City...

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8854048/Manchester-City-accuse-PFA-of-conflict-of-interest-over-Carlos-Tevez-fine.html

 

Didn't Tevez have the same agent as Mahrez has now?

[hackneyfox]

59 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Maximum fine is two weeks. Club can appeal to the pfa with a max on appeal of 6 weeks. Funnily enough, this was discussed when tevez went AWOL from man City...

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8854048/Manchester-City-accuse-PFA-of-conflict-of-interest-over-Carlos-Tevez-fine.html

 

He was fined for not playing in one game.

 

We are talking about him refusing to play in any game, in which case we can surely just refuse to pay him.

[hackneyfox]

31 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Not really it's just another accurate assessment. 

 

It's not unsubstantiated twaddle, as I've told  already told you I've worked in employment disputes, specifically around people being absecent from work (due to mental health, not the make believe Riyad kind I have to admit)  but again acting like the above you seem to think I am obviously lying to you, which I am not.

 

If you actually think about what I am saying instead of attempting to save face you will see it makes sense. To put it simpler terms of everyday employment even though it's nothing like every day employment,  you can only get so many written warning, so many verbal warnings so many suspensions etc. It all ends in one thing, dismissal. Now I'll accept the origins of the law and which court is decided in is not my area of expertise but I 100% guarantee we cannot keep fining Riyad Mahrez 200k a week from now till the end of his contract, contract disputes have to be resolved this is basic law and common sense. In fact even if you can't see it is not basic law or common sesne you could at least have the decency to not come in here and laugh at a perfectly plausible point especially when you yourself self admittedly know jack shit about the point in discussion.

Don't fine him, if he refuses to work then he doesn't get paid.

That is completely different to people being absent due to mental or physical health problems.

[Manwell Pablo]

Just now, hackneyfox said:

Don't fine him, if he refuses to work then he doesn't get paid.

That is completely different to people being absent due to mental or physical health problems.

 

Well it isn't if they are claiming to have one and actually don't have one but we are getting off subject.

 

As I say withholding his pay could be an option I guess,  I remain skeptical as I've been following football for over 25 years and I have never heard of a players pay being holted off the top of my head. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

He was fined for not playing in one game.

 

We are talking about him refusing to play in any game, in which case we can surely just refuse to pay him.

I suppose it depends. If we say he's in breach of contract and refuse to pay him we're actually on the way to annulling his contract. We clearly don't want to do that. So it thereof has to fall within the pfa's disciplinary rules. I'd suggest this might be why we end up seeking pfa mediation.

 

From what I've read his'friend's are claiming he's depressed. If he is saying he is too unwell to work then presumably he'd self certify for a short period then need medical certification. I don't know the pfa rules around that. Bearing in mind the pfa is the players union, though, they will be weighted towards what a player would want.

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Well it isn't if they are claiming to have one and actually don't have one but we are getting off subject.

 

As I say withholding his pay could be an option I guess,  I remain skeptical as I've been following football for over 25 years and I have never heard of a players pay being holted off the top of my head. 

I bet Chelsea didn’t pay costa’s Wages last autumn ..........

 

did florist pay PVH when he went on strike ?

 

[Manwell Pablo]

2 minutes ago, toddybad said:

I suppose it depends. If we say he's in breach of contract and refuse to pay him we're actually on the way to annulling his contract. We clearly don't want to do that. So it thereof has to fall within the pfa's disciplinary rules. I'd suggest this might be why we end up seeking pfa mediation.

 

From what I've read his'friend's are claiming he's depressed. If he is saying he is too unwell to work then presumably he'd self certify for a short period then need medical certification. I don't know the pfa rules around that. Bearing in mind the pfa is the players union, though, they will be weighted towards what a player would want.

At least someone in here has an idea what they are talking about finally. 

 

That would be a ridiculous claim but self certification is up to 7 days in the real world. 

[Guest MattP]

18 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Don't fine him, if he refuses to work then he doesn't get paid.

That is completely different to people being absent due to mental or physical health problems.

At the minute he is claiming he is depressed so there is nothing we can do, we can't force him to work, if we have fined him while he is suffering from an illness legally we could be in all sort of bother. I imagine the next step will be getting him assessed somehow, the maximum we can fine him is two weeks wages though.

 

It's fcuking shit but it's the law, the outcome of what happens here could be huge for future transfers.

[hackneyfox]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

At the minute he is claiming he is depressed so there is nothing we can do, we can't force him to work, if we have fined him while he is suffering from an illness legally we could be in all sort of bother. I imagine the next step will be getting him assessed somehow, the maximum we can fine him is two weeks wages though.

 

It's fcuking shit but it's the law, the outcome of what happens here could be huge for future transfers.

He can self certify for 7 days but after that we're ok to refuse to pay him. No doctor or even the pfa are going to back a player who is upset he didn't get the move he wanted when he's signed a 4 year contract.