Money Can’t buy my Love , but it’s killing it.....

[Vardinio'sCat]

 

Rickets, Polio, TB. No blacks, no dogs, no irish, women who weren't allowed to have mortgage's, back street abortions... Fings aint what they used to be.

 

 

 

Weren't LCFC supposed to be the ones who gave everyone hope? Pity we lost it so quick, maybe it would have been better if Spuds had pipped us at the post. 

[norwichfox]

12 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

Rickets, Polio, TB. No blacks, no dogs, no irish, women who weren't allowed to have mortgage's, back street abortions... Fings aint what they used to be.

 

 

 

Weren't LCFC supposed to be the ones who gave everyone hope? Pity we lost it so quick, maybe it would have been better if Spuds had pipped us at the post. 

Go and wash your mouth out

[Livid]

12 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

Rickets, Polio, TB. No blacks, no dogs, no irish, women who weren't allowed to have mortgage's, back street abortions... Fings aint what they used to be.

 

 

 

Weren't LCFC supposed to be the ones who gave everyone hope? Pity we lost it so quick, maybe it would have been better if Spuds had pipped us at the post. 

Pffft We were already in the winners enclosure and they were just about to enter the final furlong!!

[NotTheMarketLeader]

23 hours ago, Col city fan said:

One of the reasons I’ve not attended a home game this season. I’m sick of the fookin greed in the game. It seeps from every pore of the top flight.

Its all the kids know. It’s what they’ve been brought up with.

I still remember when Steve Walsh would have moved mountains to make City successful. Not crying because 100 grand a week wasn’t enough.

At a time when people I know are suffering with cancer and finding it difficult just to get through the next day, the actions of some of our so-called elite footballers (not all of them, but some), make me want to puke.

Exactly I agree wholeheartedly.

 

What I will add; something less important than the issues you mention; is the diving and cheating in the sport.

 

Dispite lip service from the PL & the FA cheats are left to prosper in the game by the authorities, and for what reason I know not why.

 

How many dives has Alli took this season for ffs.

 

Too much money, not enough respect paid to the core values of sport will surely cause a decline in popularity sooner or later.

 

 

Edited 5 February 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[Vardinio'sCat]

5 hours ago, norwichfox said:

Go and wash your mouth out

 

Sorry, on reflection that is a stupid thing to say.

[Vardinio'sCat]

5 hours ago, Livid said:

Pffft We were already in the winners enclosure and they were just about to enter the final furlong!!

 

Reading that back, I have gone too far, my apologies.

[HighPeakFox]

As first posts go, that has to be up there as one of the best, I would imagine.

[Jon the Hat]

I can understand those who used to go to a lot of games feeling frustrated that they cannot afford it anymore.  The rest of it is just noise IMO, ignore it, don't read the tabloid crap, and enjoy the football.  The football is better than ever.  If you want the gritty down to earth it is in the lower leagues.

[Foxxed]

There's always non-league football. A West Ham friend started supporting a local London non-league team. It's fun and less money-driven. You can also get in with enough money happy to buy a pint or three. But our top league is the most admired in the world, which means millions of viewers, which means millions of pounds, unequally distributed, especially towards the regular champions leaguers, who forever grow larger using their ever-growing stash of cash, picking from the best in the world, while the others scrimp and save in the hope they find an undiscovered gem or two in some forgotten league.

Edited 6 February 2018 by Foxxed

[Donut]

A lot of this thread, and this forum in general, is bitter, whiny people who turn up to football despite not liking it, and then moaning afterwards, almost as a form of self loathing.

 

Why not either:

 

a) Accept the game the way it is and keep going to watch

 

b) go and watch non league football and stop posting here and moaning about everything associated with top level football

 

c) pack football in and find another hobby that you dont moan about constantly.

 

Or is it just an addiction you get no enjoyment from, but cant get out of? the amount of negativity is unbelieveable towards almost every aspect of the game, yet people still turn up in their droves

[HighPeakFox]

6 minutes ago, Donut said:

A lot of this thread, and this forum in general, is bitter, whiny people who turn up to football despite not liking it, and then moaning afterwards, almost as a form of self loathing.

 

Why not either:

 

a) Accept the game the way it is and keep going to watch

 

b) go and watch non league football and stop posting here and moaning about everything associated with top level football

 

c) pack football in and find another hobby that you dont moan about constantly.

 

Or is it just an addiction you get no enjoyment from, but cant get out of? the amount of negativity is unbelieveable towards almost every aspect of the game, yet people still turn up in their droves

I like a lot of what you post, but I think you're wrong in assuming legitimate concern/criticism of the way the game is now run is bitter and whiny.

 

Why do people have to blindly accept the way it is? Why is it in society that suddenly critical voices are shunned? Change only occurs because people speak up, otherwise we just become sheep.

[reynard]

7 minutes ago, Donut said:

A lot of this thread, and this forum in general, is bitter, whiny people who turn up to football despite not liking it, and then moaning afterwards, almost as a form of self loathing.

 

Why not either:

 

a) Accept the game the way it is and keep going to watch

 

b) go and watch non league football and stop posting here and moaning about everything associated with top level football

 

c) pack football in and find another hobby that you dont moan about constantly.

 

Or is it just an addiction you get no enjoyment from, but cant get out of? the amount of negativity is unbelieveable towards almost every aspect of the game, yet people still turn up in their droves

Or you could accept that many people enjoy watching it but find aspects of the game not to be to their liking and offer constructive criticism. Many changes in the history of the world have come though people opposing things and trying to suggest alternatives. With these the world has developed and generally become a better place to live. The alternative is your way which is to keep quiet or to turn your back.

[reynard]

2 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I like a lot of what you post, but I think you're wrong in assuming legitimate concern/criticism of the way the game is now run is bitter and whiny.

 

Why do people have to blindly accept the way it is? Why is it in society that suddenly critical voices are shunned? Change only occurs because people speak up, otherwise we just become sheep.

Exactly!

[Donut]

10 minutes ago, reynard said:

Or you could accept that many people enjoy watching it but find aspects of the game not to be to their liking and offer constructive criticism. Many changes in the history of the world have come though people opposing things and trying to suggest alternatives. With these the world has developed and generally become a better place to live. The alternative is your way which is to keep quiet or to turn your back.

But the thing is, it really doesnt matter what changes are made, itll just shift the moaning and the criticism.

 

And the people of internet forums are a highly vocal minority. We would like to convince ourselves otherwise, but just because we shout loudest doesnt mean there will be wholesale changes

[Donut]

8 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

Look at the the top forty maximum attendances records for English clubs - only two occurred during the last twenty years. I'll be interested in your response.

Is this due to standing inflating the numbers?

 

If we had a time machine and went back 30 or 40 years, would that solve everything?

[Samilktray]

I love modern football tbh

[Donut]

13 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

Standing didn't inflate the numbers - it was the traditional way in which football was viewed. The introduction of seating was a knee-jerk response to Bradford, Heysel and Hillsborough. And, no, going back thirty or forty years wouldn't solve anything.

The very fact that this topic has been posted means there is a groundswell of opinion that football has lost its way. Whether it was ever firmly on the path is debatable. However, in a country which is suffering from poverty, under-funding of the health services, education and social services, the ostentatious flaunting of wealth by clubs can be seen to be evidence of social inequality. Football could be viewed as isolate form the rest of society - it isn't. Everything which comprises our economy is interrelated. Unless there is some cleansing of the Augean stables -  this rot is going to continue. There are more than a few journalists pointing out the damage this skewing of wealth is causing to football and society as a whole

Man City dont decide how much a doctor or a teacher is paid, and their low wages arent a direct consequence of a footballer earning 200 or 300k a week. The footballers arent earning their wages at the EXPENSE of a doctor.

 

If the problem people have is social inequality, why arent they pressuring government about social inequality, rather than getting mad at football without any focus to their madness other than thinly veiled jealousy? it doesnt have a relevance to point out a footballer is paid a lot, his club determine thats his worth.

 

 

Edited 7 February 2018 by Donut

[sylofox]

On ‎04‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 22:58, Kitchandro said:

Well they are, take a look at any statistics regarding ticket prices, inflation and the average wage and it's proved that football was far more affordable for the working class many years ago and has become consistently less affordable as time has gone on, in particular over the last 25 years.

 

The difference is football has become like an addiction, a part of a normal person's routine that they can't live without, and the media feeds the importance of football to you on a daily basis. It's just another thing people do to try and give their life meaning. So much so that the idea one of their favourite players or the manager or the chairman has done something they disagree with is very conflicting. So they blame money.

 

My day is today, frankly, I'm only 25, you don't need bias to work out football was more affordable years ago. Everything else is down to opinion.

 

And I'm pretty sure men did wear cloth caps a lot at one time.

 

 

 

 

I'm with you on this. I remember paying a £1 to get in my take home was £60/70 a week. And no I didn't have a cloth cap.

[Donut]

19 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

Standing didn't inflate the numbers - it was the traditional way in which football was viewed. The introduction of seating was a knee-jerk response to Bradford, Heysel and Hillsborough. And, no, going back thirty or forty years wouldn't solve anything.

The very fact that this topic has been posted means there is a groundswell of opinion that football has lost its way. Whether it was ever firmly on the path is debatable. However, in a country which is suffering from poverty, under-funding of the health services, education and social services, the ostentatious flaunting of wealth by clubs can be seen to be evidence of social inequality. Football could be viewed as isolate form the rest of society - it isn't. Everything which comprises our economy is interrelated. Unless there is some cleansing of the Augean stables -  this rot is going to continue. There are more than a few journalists pointing out the damage this skewing of wealth is causing to football and society as a whole

And standing obviously did inflate the numbers if the attendance records arent being broken because clubs cant physically fit as many people in their stadium, thats why the records still stand from years ago.

 

Is packing people like sardines into the stadium a measure of success? some clubs have waiting lists for season tickets for years. theyre doing fine.

[ozleicester]

Ahhh football socialism ? Bring it on

Edited 7 February 2018 by ozleicester

[Apollo]

Strange one for me - I used to be crackers about everything football, especially leicester. But this season, completely lost interest in it all. Don’t particularly give a monkeys win lose or draw now, and don’t really enjoy going to the games (used to be home and away). Big decision whether to renew season ticket in summer, no point if I’m missing every other game, not sure if it’s football or just me changing 

[desertfox2]

It's just mimicking life in general and gone from a working mans sport to the epitome of a greedy capitalist system. The wealth doesn't trickle down it bubbles up. The clubs at the bottom have to fight for survival constantly when in a lot of instances a couple of days wages of some prem players would keep a non league team going for a month. It's like the hunger games at times. If Conte gets sacked imagine what his pay off would be. Then look at someone like Hartlepool. We are so lucky to have the owners that we do as it could so easily have gone the other way. Sky/prem/Europe is the main culprit you only have to look at the cup competitions which were a huge source of income in the past to give lower division sides a chance at a jackpot. They still are to some point but not as it was.

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

Ahhh football socialism ? Bring it on

Don't be silly. Just seeing parallels and some correlation. Nobody is claiming correlation to be causation. 

 

And in the words of the very funny Jonathan Pie (I recommend), we're all socialists to a greater or lesser extent. It's incredible how that word (along with a few others) has become a knee jerk term of casual mindless dismissal. 

[ozleicester]

9 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Don't be silly. Just seeing parallels and some correlation. Nobody is claiming correlation to be causation. 

 

And in the words of the very funny Jonathan Pie (I recommend), we're all socialists to a greater or lesser extent. It's incredible how that word (along with a few others) has become a knee jerk term of casual mindless dismissal. 

Meh,

 

People suggesting a need for wage caps, and draft systems, equal distribution of income, greater support for those at the bottom etc etc.

 

Football/sport is the one place i  dont support socialism. I want to see the best, playing the best, i dont want an equal spread of the best across the leagues.

 

But, if we can introduce that to society... im a big fan

[Guest Col city fan]

Why can't we appreciate the quality of modern football, but still think there are aspects of it that are ridiculous?

The football can be sensational. The players are supremely fit. The game gets ever quicker. The pitches are unbelievably good. The TV coverage is insane.

You can watch it nearly all the time, bet on it, rewind it, replay it, stop it.

Etc......

But that still doesn't preclude me from thinking that Diego Costa is a turd refusing to return to Chelsea, or that having a debate that 100k per week is 'unfair' when such and such is getting 120k, is nothing other than barmy.

Modern football is a phenomenon that excites, frustrates and motivates in equal measure. But there are aspects of it that literally couldn't be further away from the everyday stresses of the modern day 'working man'.

It's one of the reasons I've stopped going (though not the only reason...health is another). If I was to be within shouting range of Mahrez at the moment (just as an example), I'd want to praise him to the sky's for being one of our best ever players, whilst telling him to fookin grow up at the same time.

Edited 7 February 2018 by Col city fan