The whole world smiles Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 On 2/10/2018 at 21:04, fleckneymike said: Whilst by no means the reason for the defeat I’m at a loss to know what precisely James brings to the team. If you’re a midfielder who doesn’t score and doesn’t really assist then what do you do? What a scumbag thread. Matty James played a huge part in the Championship winning season and the great escape. He has also demonstrated Immense character to come back from a horrific injury with numerous set backs and is now playing as good as if not better football than before the injury that kept him out. Trust me if me or you had one tenth of his ability, work rate or character we would have very wealthy, successful life's. Which leaves me with the obvious question... what is the point of you? other than posting nasty, devise posts about players you are supposed to support on the internet? 1 1
SheppyFox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 He’s good enough and you should all stop being nasty. Give me rep points. 1
Leeds Fox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 On 10/02/2018 at 21:04, fleckneymike said: Whilst by no means the reason for the defeat I’m at a loss to know what precisely James brings to the team. If you’re a midfielder who doesn’t score and doesn’t really assist then what do you do? I bet you’re one of those who says Silva needs time yet completely dismisses the fact James had a very serious injury and by the time he was fit again he’s it’s a much changed squad. Not forgetting the physiological struggles he’ll have faced. He’s a credit to himself and the club getting himself back playing again. I’m sure he wouldn’t have done it without the backing of numerous managers, team mates and LCFC staff.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 15 hours ago, kingfox said: All this bashing after losing to the best team in the league, why single him out? Because King doesn't play for us anymore and Amartey wasn't playing.
kingfox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 59 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Because King doesn't play for us anymore and Amartey wasn't playing. Taking the piss out of a missing person, racism now jealousy just because James is better looking than every single member of this forum. Foxestalk is becoming a shambles.
fleckneymike Posted 13 February 2018 Author Posted 13 February 2018 5 hours ago, Babylon said: The stats are per 90 minutes, it's hardly fair to compare the totals of someone who has played 2400 minutes with someone who has played 817. You know that damn well and are just being obtuse. Just as Silva having played 126 minutes is hardly a basis for looking at any stats currently, it's nowhere near a big enough sample. That's a game and a half FFS. James averages more interceptions than anyone else in CM per game FACT. Of anyone with a reasonable amount of data to actually judge on, he has the best pass completion rate, FACT. He wins a larger percentage of headers than Iborra, FACT (just to ruin the Iborra should play for his heading stuff). Despite all these stats, you were also told what his job was in the team and given an outline of why he possibly starts over some of the others. Ignored. Question about what Iborra does, ignored. Siva should, given time to get used to the league grow into being the No.2, considering his pedigree and the flashes we've seen so far. But he's not there just yet. I wasn’t being obtuse. My understanding of the statement that someone has the most interceptions is exactly the same as when someone says a player has the most goals or most assists. You chose to use a stat based over 90 minutes rather than a cumulative stat or average stat. You chose not to make that clear. Once again people choose to use insults rather than debate the issue. In six pages we’ve had more personal insults aimed at posters rather than discussion of the relative merits of the player. The only reason put forward so far for why James is the preferred midfielder to accompany N’didi is that he does a few things less well that Wilfred.
fleckneymike Posted 13 February 2018 Author Posted 13 February 2018 2 hours ago, The whole world smiles said: What a scumbag thread. Matty James played a huge part in the Championship winning season and the great escape. He has also demonstrated Immense character to come back from a horrific injury with numerous set backs and is now playing as good as if not better football than before the injury that kept him out. Trust me if me or you had one tenth of his ability, work rate or character we would have very wealthy, successful life's. Which leaves me with the obvious question... what is the point of you? other than posting nasty, devise posts about players you are supposed to support on the internet? Non of these points address why James is the preferred option. 1
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 I can’t quite believe that Fleckney is getting the stick he’s getting, for simply posting a debate about a player on a football forum. Let me re-iterate this. It’s a football forum. If Fleckney doesn’t feel that James brings much to the table, then where better to discuss this than on FT?( or so you would think). I see this time and time on here. It’s like it’s simpler just to criticise the OP for ‘daring’ to post this about one of our players, than to actually debate their various qualities. This thread is now only a stones throw away from Mike being labelled ‘a James hater’ or something. I don’t think we’re far off that. It just stifles any debate. But maybe that’s the intention of so many posters. If the OP becomes criticised for even generating the thread, discussion becomes secondary.
Babylon Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 12 minutes ago, fleckneymike said: I wasn’t being obtuse. My understanding of the statement that someone has the most interceptions is exactly the same as when someone says a player has the most goals or most assists. You chose to use a stat based over 90 minutes rather than a cumulative stat or average stat. You chose not to make that clear. Once again people choose to use insults rather than debate the issue. In six pages we’ve had more personal insults aimed at posters rather than discussion of the relative merits of the player. The only reason put forward so far for why James is the preferred midfielder to accompany N’didi is that he does a few things less well that Wilfred. Choose to use insults rather than debate the issue? You completely ignored a whole post and isolated two parts, that were perfectly correct, ignoring everything else that was written. I didn't think it would need spelling out that someone who has played every game is going to have higher cumulative stats than someone who has played a fraction, clearly I thought wrong. As for the last line, again it's been spelt out why in my very first post. You chose not to debate anything in it, but then again, I expect nothing less as quite clearly you aren't interested in doing so. It was just another one of your threads to get a reaction from people and take pot shots needlessly at players. 1
Popular Post Babylon Posted 13 February 2018 Popular Post Posted 13 February 2018 19 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I can’t quite believe that Fleckney is getting the stick he’s getting, for simply posting a debate about a player on a football forum. Let me re-iterate this. It’s a football forum. If Fleckney doesn’t feel that James brings much to the table, then where better to discuss this than on FT?( or so you would think). I see this time and time on here. It’s like it’s simpler just to criticise the OP for ‘daring’ to post this about one of our players, than to actually debate their various qualities. This thread is now only a stones throw away from Mike being labelled ‘a James hater’ or something. I don’t think we’re far off that. It just stifles any debate. But maybe that’s the intention of so many posters. If the OP becomes criticised for even generating the thread, discussion becomes secondary. Col, can you see the difference between "What is the point of Matty James" with perhaps, "Does Matty James offer enough". Or "is Musa a competition winner" with "Is Ahmed Musa good enough". If you phrase a question without being a bit of a shit and actually look like you want to debate the issue, rather than just using it as a snidy dig, then people will openly and willingly debate the issue. If you post a shitty thread title and then proceed to ignore anyone actually attempting to debate the issue, what exactly do you expect to get in return? 7
Suzie the Fox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 What is the point of Matty James... Answer:- Consistency over the others. 1
Babylon Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 5 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said: What is the point of Matty James... Answer:- Consistency over the others. Consistently crap... In before the others. 2
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: I can’t quite believe that Fleckney is getting the stick he’s getting, for simply posting a debate about a player on a football forum. Let me re-iterate this. It’s a football forum. If Fleckney doesn’t feel that James brings much to the table, then where better to discuss this than on FT?( or so you would think). I see this time and time on here. It’s like it’s simpler just to criticise the OP for ‘daring’ to post this about one of our players, than to actually debate their various qualities. This thread is now only a stones throw away from Mike being labelled ‘a James hater’ or something. I don’t think we’re far off that. It just stifles any debate. But maybe that’s the intention of so many posters. If the OP becomes criticised for even generating the thread, discussion becomes secondary. I agree with this; anything said that is critical of our players tends to get shot down, regardless of fact. That aside in this thread, Babylon argues well here with statistics and while I don’t think he did much on Saturday, I do believe there is a reason Jaymo is getting more game time than Iborra. His overall game has been more effective than VI, who whilst looking classy at times, is less mobile than MJ and has had some shocking games. Very inconsistent imo. Edited 13 February 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 46 minutes ago, Babylon said: Col, can you see the difference between "What is the point of Matty James" with perhaps, "Does Matty James offer enough". Or "is Musa a competition winner" with "Is Ahmed Musa good enough". If you phrase a question without being a bit of a shit and actually look like you want to debate the issue, rather than just using it as a snidy dig, then people will openly and willingly debate the issue. If you post a shitty thread title and then proceed to ignore anyone actually attempting to debate the issue, what exactly do you expect to get in return? Yes I can Babs and I do understand that. I (clearly wrongly) assume that people can get past that though and see the thread for what is it. Unless Mike was purposely being inflammatory? And if so, deserves all he gets.
foxinsocks Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 (edited) Like most of our topics there's a spectrum.... the ryhad the great artist has lots of anti mahrez comments as well as those suporting him. I like threads with a bit of a position to be argued with or supported. But allowing such debate is precisely why ft exists as the club would never be a platform for such views ( thought i cant see why not...allowing critical voices is about self confidence..). Matty is a useful midfielder btw. .. imo he cant be relied on with his injury history... and he represents the bar so that every midfielder we bring in should be...or have thr potential to be better than matty. Thats how we move fwd. Edited 13 February 2018 by foxinsocks
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 2 hours ago, kingfox said: Taking the piss out of a missing person, racism now jealousy just because James is better looking than every single member of this forum. Foxestalk is becoming a shambles. When will it end.
HighPeakFox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 As so often, the intent of the thread may have got lost in the presentation. 1
hackneyfox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 5 hours ago, The whole world smiles said: What a scumbag thread. Matty James played a huge part in the Championship winning season and the great escape. He has also demonstrated Immense character to come back from a horrific injury with numerous set backs and is now playing as good as if not better football than before the injury that kept him out. Trust me if me or you had one tenth of his ability, work rate or character we would have very wealthy, successful life's. Which leaves me with the obvious question... what is the point of you? other than posting nasty, devise posts about players you are supposed to support on the internet? What a pointless post. We're discussing what he does or doesn't give to the current squad, not what he did 2 or 3 seasons ago, time moves on. We're discussing his footballing ability not his character. We're comparing him to other players not to you or Mike. Why get personal with the OP and by the way the place to support the players is when they're on the pitch, the internet is the place to discuss what we think about players or the club, it doesn't demand blind, unswerving loyalty. 2
ARM1968 Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 He’s a good pro. A good player. A good squad member. What more do you want?
Tringfox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 I hope he has what it takes to be a premier league midfielder, he’s been through a hell of a lot with injuries which will also take a lot out of him mentally. If he stays fit for the remainder of the season I’m sure Puel will of seen enough of him to either sell or give him a new contract. Personally Im not convinced!
Tringfox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 27 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: He’s a good pro. A good player. A good squad member. What more do you want? Quality over quantity! The aim of it is to finish as high as possible.
chicagofox Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, The whole world smiles said: What a scumbag thread. Matty James played a huge part in the Championship winning season and the great escape. He has also demonstrated Immense character to come back from a horrific injury with numerous set backs and is now playing as good as if not better football than before the injury that kept him out. Trust me if me or you had one tenth of his ability, work rate or character we would have very wealthy, successful life's. Which leaves me with the obvious question... what is the point of you? other than posting nasty, devise posts about players you are supposed to support on the internet? Richie De Laet played a huge part in the Championship winning season. So what? He deserves credit for overcoming his injuries. In terms of that being relevant to whether he should currently have a place in the starting 11, so what? I’m assuming you don’t know him personally. If I’m correct, you like the rest of us on here, really don’t know anything about his character. The character and work rate of any fan is completely irrelevant when discussing a footballers on-field ability. Is someone who may not have the character to run the UK not entitled to an opinion on the Prime Minister? The plural of ‘life’ is ‘lives’. Edited 13 February 2018 by chicagofox
fleckneymike Posted 13 February 2018 Author Posted 13 February 2018 3 hours ago, Col city fan said: Yes I can Babs and I do understand that. I (clearly wrongly) assume that people can get past that though and see the thread for what is it. Unless Mike was purposely being inflammatory? And if so, deserves all he gets. I certainly wasn’t being inflammatory when querying what Marty James actually does, what his point in the team is. I was, weirdly enough, trying to ascertain what the point of him in the side is. For all the stats provided, in various contexts (90 mins, average, cumulative) non actually address why he’s in the side. As we move towards a more possession based style under Puel, James’ slender 1% difference in pass completion (cumulative) doesn’t mitigate the fact that he attempts fewer passes, creates fewer chances, has one assist and hasn’t scored in the premier league. To claim he keeps things ticking over flies in the face of these stats.
Wymsey Posted 13 February 2018 Posted 13 February 2018 On 11/02/2018 at 06:32, m4DD0gg said: Crap and fat to boot........on a par with our latest waste of money Adrian silva. James when he's in the players' medical office.. 2
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