Salisbury, Skripal, Poison and Russia.

[Guest Kopfkino]

13 minutes ago, MattP said:

Yep, as soon as Russia says it wasn't them it's case closed

 

Don't forget Jeremy has already been correct on foreign policy though, if you ignore the Cold War, Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Bosnia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, East Timor, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, Georgia, South Ossetia and Lebanon he's been on the right side of history every single time.

 

Or in Jeremy's mind what will happen is Russia will say:

 

"Oh yeah that stuff, yeah we completely forgot but Mr Putin sent someone with diplomatic privilege to put it in this guy's car ventilation system. Come on guys he deserved it for being a traitor to the motherland."

[Guest MattP]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Imagine being a Leicester fan in Yemen, worst humanitarian crisis of the time its been called hasnt it?  and reading on here us saying we should think before we stop selling the military equipment because of GDP and losses in the job sector

Do you think they would really care?

 

We don't sell them they just buy the weaponry from elsewhere, probably Russia and as we have seen from Syria that makes civilian casualties even more likely.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Just now, MattP said:

Do you think they would really care?

 

We don't sell them they just buy the weaponry from elsewhere, probably Russia and as we have seen from Syria that makes civilian casualties even more likely.

If you were talking to someone from Yemen face to face would you feel comfortable using that argument?

 

It may be logical, idk, but it still seems a bit callous

 

I have a friend from Bosnia who when he gets drunk repeatedly gives me s*** for when Britain sent them out of date food during their crisis.  People remember when another nation treats theirs with contempt

 

 

[Guest Kopfkino]

 

This bloke is an absolute parasite

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

If you were talking to someone from Yemen face to face would you feel comfortable using that argument?

 

It may be logical, idk, but it still seems a bit callous

 

I have a friend from Bosnia who when he gets drunk repeatedly gives me s*** for when Britain sent them out of date food during their crisis.  People remember when another nation treats theirs with contempt

Yes of course, as you say, it's logical. We trade arms, we aren't responsible for how others use them.

 

As for your Bosnian friend (presuming he's a Bosnian Serb), if he thinks sending out of date food is treating a nation with comtempt maybe you should remind him about how that crisis occured, maybe he should attach a bit more blame to Mladic etc than Britain, I certainly hope you do so.

[Carl the Llama]

2 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 

This bloke is an absolute parasite

What do you want him to say? "It's war"?

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Yes of course, as you say, it's logical. We trade arms, we aren't responsible for how others use them.

 

As for your Bosnian friend (presuming he's a Bosnian Serb), if he thinks sending out of date food is treating a nation with comtempt maybe you should remind him about how that crisis occured, maybe he should attach a bit more blame to Mladic etc than Britain, I certainly hope you do so.

As to your first point.  Technically that may be right.  I feel a bit of a snowflake about that

 

And yeah, he is.  Haha, he pisses me off tbh.  Acts as if I personally did it!

 

He doesnt really like to talk about it other than give me shit.  I've brought up Mladic one or two times and then he just shuts the doors.  I dont know if thats how they deal with it or not.  I remember when Lovren spoke about it for Liveprool TV, he mentioned his mother said 'dont tell them about it' but he chose to tell.  I have a feeling there is a lot of shame there.  But conversely, still a lot of bitterness and hatred for each other, between the nationalities

[Beechey]

27 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Imagine being a Leicester fan in Yemen, worst humanitarian crisis of the time its been called hasnt it?  and reading on here us saying we should think before we stop selling the military equipment because of GDP and losses in the job sector

 

 

 

No, the Syrian Civil War is on an entirely different level. ~15,000 have died in Yemen, 350,000-500,000 have died in Syria. 3 million displaced in Yemen, with between 5 and 7 million displaced in Syria. Yemen (in terms of deaths) is more coomparable to the conflict in Ukraine.

[Beechey]

16 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

What do you want him to say? "It's war"?

Maybe like the rest of the Western world and simply say nothing?

[Fox Ulike]

32 minutes ago, breadandcheese said:

But the mistake is not once. It's a pattern. 

I can find one instance of it only which I think was in 2009.

 

Are there others you have a source for?

[Fox Ulike]

35 minutes ago, Foxin_mad said:

But why stop selling Arms to the Saudis on moral grounds?

 

BUT

 

Still buy gas from the Russians that they use the proceeds to buy arms to kill people with?

 

OR 

 

Buy tomatoes from the Spanish that they use the proceeds to beat up their own citizens to stop them having a voice?

 

Surely we cant have it all ways?

 

Of course we can just admit that given our political alignment we wont sell stuff to the Saudis because they are the nasty bogeymen but we will buy stuff from Russia and have a 'robust' dialogue with them because they are politically aligned to us. Its fine we just have to be clear what our morals actually are, we cant claim moral superiority working with one nation then toss it in the bin with another country. We have to be consistent across the board. 

 

 

Because tomatoes don't kill people.

[Guest Foxin_mad]

1 minute ago, Fox Ulike said:

Because tomatoes don't kill people.

The proceeds could be used to kill or in this case to oppress the voice of the Catalans.

 

Its like our police going and beating up the Scottish because they want independence is absurd and unacceptable. 

 

If we are going to be the moral police of the world we need to consider all cases equally, not just those that suit our political preferences. 

 

My position is clear. We can trade with anyone what they chose to do with the items we sell them or the proceeds of items we buy from them is not our concern. The money made and the jobs created on the whole benefit the British people. 

[leicsmac]

It's a difficult argument - with the way the world is if you trade you're simply going to end up crossing a moral line somewhere.

 

At the same time, I really don't agree with the arms dealer argument that what happens with the weapons the UK sells is none of our concern. The UK supplies, the UK have culpability in how they are used - I would have thought that obvious. It's like Yuri Orlov from Lord of War stating that he's not responsible for atrocities during various African civil wars despite arming both sides simultaneously.

 

Perhaps there is a medium where such decisions can be considered at least a little more carefully in terms of the potential harm that they do in order to reduce (but not completely eradicate, that wouldn't be possible IMO) such concerns?

 

Accepting the world just as the brutal way it is is a cop-out and a betrayal of the future.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Kopfkino said:

 

This bloke is an absolute parasite

Even his signature looks drunk.

[Carl the Llama]

1 hour ago, Beechey said:

Maybe like the rest of the Western world and simply say nothing?

Yeah fair enough and the grovelling tone makes me highly uncomfortable.

[Wymsey]

Russian diplomats leave the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43470069

This investigation has seemed to have been quite very recently.

[Izzy]

The Russian poisoner has just been named. 

 

According to Putin it’s ‘Yukanall Fukov’ 

[Babylon]

On 3/20/2018 at 13:14, Strokes said:

Even his signature looks drunk.

Who signs their name with one letter? That's the sort of shit I scribble when I'm signing for a courier.

[Strokes]

20 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Who signs their name with one letter? That's the sort of shit I scribble when I'm signing for a courier.

It’s a poorly disguised swastika imo.

[Wymsey]

The victims are still in a critical condition after 2/3 weeks since the incident took place.

It makes you wonder whether, but for sure still have fingers crossed they can get through it obviously, they'll actually improve over-time..

 

[Mike Oxlong]

If it was Russia they want it known it was them

 

if you wanted to bump the bloke off without a fuss just make it look like a botched burglary

[Guest Kopfkino]

I think it's safe to say Trump's special relationship is not with the UK. Wankface. 

 

 

[Rogstanley]

 was anyone seriously under the illusion Trump gives a shit about the UK?

 

He will annihilate Desperate Tess when she tries to do a trade deal.

[Guest MattP]

11 hours ago, Rogstanley said:

 was anyone seriously under the illusion Trump gives a shit about the UK?

 

He will annihilate Desperate Tess when she tries to do a trade deal.

1. Theresa May won't be involved in trade negotiations. She'll just be setting out what Liam Fox and his team can do.

 

2. Transition ends in 2021 - the next US election is in 2020. It's unlikely the Trump administration will still be in office.

 

Your knowledge of politics was far better when you were Moosebreath.

[leicsmac]

3 hours ago, MattP said:

1. Theresa May won't be involved in trade negotiations. She'll just be setting out what Liam Fox and his team can do.

 

2. Transition ends in 2021 - the next US election is in 2020. It's unlikely the Trump administration will still be in office.

 

Your knowledge of politics was far better when you were Moosebreath.

 

Welcome on board, Matt!