Babylon Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 56 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: Will we get any money for any of them though? And will it be like last season when we were still paying a lot of their wages? I'd imagine it will be loans again.
Ric Flair Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 44 minutes ago, Babylon said: I'd imagine it will be loans again. If we don't sell Musa then we are idiots. 4
Xen Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, PaulW said: Every business of any significant size has to budget for a greater or lesser amount of productivity from it's employees. All I'm saying is, why all the stress on subject? There's not a club in the league that doesn't have player's on it's payroll that are highly unlikely to feature in the first team. A recent post on here showed that on transfer dealings we have the best profit margin in the Prem., we (almost) fill the ground for every home game, so FFP sanctions look unlikely. Sorry but I still don't see how people like King, Musa, Mendy etc. are 'stopping the club from going forward'. We're limited to how much we can increase the wage bill by each year, which is a separate rule from FFP. As I understand it, it's capped at a £7m increase per annum*, or roughly £130k/week. With this summer's deals we're already making a fair dent in that, so we're limited with who we can actually bring in. Players like Jahanbaksh going to Brighton instead of us (assuming we were interested) is just the start if we can't free up some wages to bring in new, quality players. Musa and Slimani are on ridiculous contracts given that they're unlikely to play. Getting rid of either of them (or both!) would essentially double how much we could offer in wages to new signings. (*I'm sure I read that the club can opt for an alternative calculation which is based on the increase since 3 seasons ago but as that was pre-Title and as a result before all the bumper bonus contracts players earned, then it's even more likely that we'd fail by that criteria) Edited 25 July 2018 by Xen
lcfc sheff Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 With the way the market is I’d imagine loans aren’t the worst situation for us, loan fees are close or greater than what a lot of transfer fees are likely to be
Babylon Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 1 minute ago, lcfc sheff said: With the way the market is I’d imagine loans aren’t the worst situation for us, loan fees are close or greater than what a lot of transfer fees are likely to be Newcastle lost some decent coin on Slim... £1m loan fee and a couple of million in wages!
lcfc sheff Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 Just now, Babylon said: Newcastle lost some decent coin on Slim... £1m loan fee and a couple of million in wages! I think I read it was £3m fee! ? Hopefully we loan them out, they play well and we get close to what we paid for them in a transfer after. Although I can only see that happening with Musa and Slim sadly
Gerard Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: If we don't sell Musa then we are idiots. I'm sure we will and we're just posturing for a better price. However I notice he was on the plane to Austria, I hope we're not giving him another chance. Otherwise we could be seriously regretting that a couple of months down the line.
Koke Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 20 minutes ago, moore_94 said: He got his contract so he doesn't give a **** anymore. At least Ulloa has contributed to the club and has paid back his £8m transfer fee. Benalouane cost almost similar and the wages that guy has been stealing from the club over the last 3 years is shocking.
Popular Post FirePower Posted 25 July 2018 Popular Post Posted 25 July 2018 3 hours ago, Gerard said: I'm sure we will and we're just posturing for a better price. However I notice he was on the plane to Austria, I hope we're not giving him another chance. Otherwise we could be seriously regretting that a couple of months down the line. Musa played as a striker I think would get 16+ goals a season. Not had a fair shot at his natural position TBF I'd give him a chance till January u less a good offer comes in 3 1 2
Gerard Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FirePower said: Musa played as a striker I think would get 16+ goals a season. Not had a fair shot at his natural position TBF I'd give him a chance till January u less a good offer comes in Do you pick him ahead of Vardy? What about Vardy, Iheanacho, Slimani, Ulloa and Okazaki. Does he deserve to be picked ahead of these? What if he plays exactly the same way as he has since he got here? Then we have a player stinking out the place collecting a big wage and who we refused to get the best part of our money back on. We have a chance to reverse this signing with minimal financial damage, lets not look a gift horse in the mouth eh. There is no shame in making a bad signing and getting away with it by moving him on for a similar price. We can always roll the dice on another player, too many people are scared to death that we might sell someone who prospers elsewhere. Sell and put it down to experience. Edited 25 July 2018 by Gerard 2
brucey Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 7 minutes ago, FirePower said: Musa played as a striker I think would get 16+ goals a season. Not had a fair shot at his natural position TBF I'd give him a chance till January u less a good offer comes in I thought this until someone pointed out his record in Russia playing as a striker isn't actually that great, and averaged over the same number of PL games won't reach the numbers we need.
AKCJ Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 12 minutes ago, FirePower said: Musa played as a striker I think would get 16+ goals a season. Not had a fair shot at his natural position TBF I'd give him a chance till January u less a good offer comes in No chance. No chance in hell. Only Salah, Kane, Aguero, Vardy, Sterling and Lukaku scored 16+ goals last season in the league. 3
FirePower Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, AKCJ said: No chance. No chance in hell. Only Salah, Kane, Aguero, Vardy, Sterling and Lukaku scored 16+ goals last season in the league. Unfortunately musa didn't get a chance to prove whether he could or could not. And due to him not being played as a striker like I said previously who are you to say no chance. I have no crystal ball so I don't know but we bought him for a reason give the bloke a chance in his preferred position and he could come good. I understand that there is some small minded fans on this forum. But if you don't give someone a chance how would you truly know. Edited 25 July 2018 by FirePower 2
FoxFossil Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 Vardy not fit to start : Musa hat trick against ManU. (think it may be too much sun)
ARM1968 Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 5 minutes ago, FoxFossil said: Vardy not fit to start : Musa hat trick against ManU. (think it may be too much sun) Nailed on mate.
Gerard Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 57 minutes ago, FirePower said: Unfortunately musa didn't get a chance to prove whether he could or could not. And due to him not being played as a striker like I said previously who are you to say no chance. I have no crystal ball so I don't know but we bought him for a reason give the bloke a chance in his preferred position and he could come good. I understand that there is some small minded fans on this forum. But if you don't give someone a chance how would you truly know. This isn't school were everyone gets a chance, it's elite level professional football. It's up to Musa to impress in training and force his way into the team which he has spectacularly failed to do since he was signed two years a go. Too many people are judging him on his performance against Iceland when he scored two brilliant goes but one swallow doesn't make a summer. 2
FirePower Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 1 minute ago, Gerard said: This isn't school were everyone gets a chance, it's elite level professional football. It's up to Musa to impress in training and force his way into the team which he has spectacularly failed to do since he was signed two years a go. Too many people are judging him on his performance against Iceland when he scored two brilliant goes but one swallow doesn't make a summer. Just going to leave it as agree to disagree.
volpeazzurro Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 1 hour ago, FirePower said: Unfortunately musa didn't get a chance to prove whether he could or could not. And due to him not being played as a striker like I said previously who are you to say no chance. I have no crystal ball so I don't know but we bought him for a reason give the bloke a chance in his preferred position and he could come good. I understand that there is some small minded fans on this forum. But if you don't give someone a chance how would you truly know. He was given ample chance to show that he could control a football and he couldn't. Whether it's because of the pace of our game I don't know but for a professional footballer at his supposed level even his very basics were way off, you didn't need a season full of games to see that. The fact that Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel all appear to think the same tends to prove the case and, in case you hadn't noticed, there's not been a huge queue of potential buyers!
Max Wall Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 2 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: He was given ample chance to show that he could control a football and he couldn't. Whether it's because of the pace of our game I don't know but for a professional footballer at his supposed level even his very basics were way off, you didn't need a season full of games to see that. The fact that Ranieri, Shakespeare and Puel all appear to think the same tends to prove the case and, in case you hadn't noticed, there's not been a huge queue of potential buyers! Can't help but agree with this. Not sure why but I defended Musa for a time in hope that he was just struggling to settle in but he has proved otherwise. I really can't see the point in keeping him anymore and I'm not one to usually be over critical of players. I'd probably have taken the 12m, I'm hoping the club are expecting another bid as I just don't see it working out for him here.
Leeds Fox Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 2 hours ago, Koke said: He got his contract so he doesn't give a **** anymore. At least Ulloa has contributed to the club and has paid back his £8m transfer fee. Benalouane cost almost similar and the wages that guy has been stealing from the club over the last 3 years is shocking. It’s hardly Benalouane’s fault that we paid a fee for him and paid him a decent whack. The blame lies with whoever scouted and offered him the contract.
Xen Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 6 minutes ago, Max Wall said: Can't help but agree with this. Not sure why but I defended Musa for a time in hope that he was just struggling to settle in but he has proved otherwise. I really can't see the point in keeping him anymore and I'm not one to usually be over critical of players. I'd probably have taken the 12m, I'm hoping the club are expecting another bid as I just don't see it working out for him here. Tbh, I still think Musa could come good. He's shown brief glimpses that he can really perform, and if he can make those consistent he could be a great option to have. However, the benefits of selling him (even at a slight loss) and freeing up wages for someone else far outweighs the chance that he improves, in my opinion. 12m and not having to pay the remainder of his contract would have been ideal. Even if it does improve at LCFC, I just can't see him ever leading the line for us in the same way that Vardy does, or anywhere near as effectively.
volpeazzurro Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Max Wall said: Can't help but agree with this. Not sure why but I defended Musa for a time in hope that he was just struggling to settle in but he has proved otherwise. I really can't see the point in keeping him anymore and I'm not one to usually be over critical of players. I'd probably have taken the 12m, I'm hoping the club are expecting another bid as I just don't see it working out for him here. Possibly the club feel it may be an initial bid or know of other potential interested parties. Perhaps it may have been the terms of the deal like staggered payments? It's not unusual that agreements are reached at the last minute (sometimes even 14s late)! ? Edited 25 July 2018 by volpeazzurro
Gerard Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 20 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said: It’s hardly Benalouane’s fault that we paid a fee for him and paid him a decent whack. The blame lies with whoever scouted and offered him the contract. TBF, he's not blaming Benalouane. He looked an awful buy by every metric before he'd even signed for us, just like £12.6m on Danny Ward does. I'd love to hear someone from the club explain the thinking behind both signings to me. 1
hackneyfox Posted 25 July 2018 Posted 25 July 2018 1 minute ago, Gerard said: TBF, he's not blaming Benalouane. He looked an awful buy by every metric before he'd even signed for us, just like £12.6m on Danny Ward does. I'd love to hear someone from the club explain the thinking behind both signings to me. Are you not happy with the signing of Ward? 3
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