ARM1968 Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 1 minute ago, Babylon said: Love how everyone's moans are seemingly based on shit like us rejecting offers for Musa, that we don't even know actually happned or the make up of said deals even if they did. I'm also bored of reading about Fulham and Wolves, Schurrle has got a wopping 3 goals and 6 assists in his last two Bundesliga seasons, chuck in his last Wolfsburg season and it's only 12 goals and 9 assists over three bloody seasons. Their other signings being Seri (could be very decent) and Fabri a keeper and Le Marchand a CB from Nice.... big ****ing wows. Do you think we’re ok then? I’ll ask you again in a few months when panic is flooding through the ranks of Foxestalk.
mancunianfox Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 I'll never forget the January window in the title winning season when according to FT we had 100% threw away our chance of winning the league or when everyone was happy for a change last year as indicators that transfer windows are almost impossible to predict success or failure from. Remember when Swansea 'won' last years window? 1
jonny_wright Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 Every single summer im underwhelmed and this summer is no different, the window of 2016 was unforgiveable, as new champions with CL football we had the world at our feet and we wasted it, the owners are ambitous but not in the transfer market... bar Ndidi and maguire we havent signed a player thats improved our 11 (will see about evans and perreria) Now only Vardy, Kasper and Morgan remian as starters from the PL winning season, its no suprise we are regressing!
Ric Flair Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 3 minutes ago, mancunianfox said: I'll never forget the January window in the title winning season when according to FT we had 100% threw away our chance of winning the league or when everyone was happy for a change last year as indicators that transfer windows are almost impossible to predict success or failure from. Remember when Swansea 'won' last years window? You have a point, there's been many times that on paper teams look sorted and others in trouble but we've got a manager under pressure and we've lost our best player. It's very easy to pinpoint trouble on the horizon. Gray and Maddison could form a great understanding behind Vardy next season, which would be ideal but it's the lack of options even if they do exceed expectations. We are limited.
Babylon Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: Aren't we supposed to be moving forward though, as opposed to just trying to replicate what we did the year before? I think most on here were unimpressed with last season as a whole, yes we scored a fair amount of goals but I wouldn't say we were an attacking or creative side and the areas we needed to improve were defence and having other creative options. We have improved our defence and may still do so even more. We have lost Mahrez who was gold and only have Maddison brought in, we need a Mahrez replacement and possibly another option out wide too but just one would be acceptable. Without another attacking midfielder, we are asking for trouble and when we struggle, there can be no excuses as to what our problem is. For an ambitious team, there's no need to be overly cautious in where we want to be. There's many weak links in this side and yet we seem content to stick with them. Move forward to what? We aren't getting top 6, so it's a battle with a huge group of teams for the spaces between 7th and about 13th. Again, you seem solely focused that only someone who fills Mahrez's spot has to add the creativity. Having attacking full backs opens up totally different opportunities in attack and creativity, set pieces are a form of attack and in Maddison we have the best taker we've probably had since Parker from what I've seen. Silva will need to share the burden and then whoever takes Mahrez's place need to chip in. Numbers close to what Albrighton got is fine so long as the load is shared. Yes I want another option, but I think posts focusing on the fact we've lost 22 contributions and that we need X player who is going to pick up the slack are missing the point in what Puel is trying to do. 3
Max Power Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 I think we’ve had a decent window so far. We’ve filled three key positions we’ve been missing for a while (attacking right back, centre back, attacking midfielder) Just need to shift 3/4 time wasters but that’s always going to happen later in the window. Another wide man we need so if we get that quality addition in it’ll be a great window.
Babylon Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 8 minutes ago, ARM1968 said: Do you think we’re ok then? I’ll ask you again in a few months when panic is flooding through the ranks of Foxestalk. I want another wide man, as I've said about 100 times. But the ridiculous hand wringing based on newspaper articles from the middle east, or looking enviously at a teams signing, which in reality don't look anything special. Whoever we get isn't going to replace Mahrez's numbers, it's just another creative option. I'm not expecting much more than what Albrighton chipped in with. My focus is on how we improve the team as a unit, we seem to be doing that... what we lose with Mahrez, we've potentially gained back a fair chunk elsewhere through improvements. Whether that's not conceding so many, or adding goals and assits from full backs and set pieces and having a truly creative 10... rather than Shinji, who sturggles to pass the ball let alone assist sometimes. The squad we have should be comfortably top 10/12 at a minimum, if it's not then it's a failure on the managers part and that's before we get a new winger in.
ARM1968 Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: I want another wide man, as I've said about 100 times. But the ridiculous hand wringing based on newspaper articles from the middle east, or looking enviously at a teams signing, which in reality don't look anything special. Whoever we get isn't going to replace Mahrez's numbers, it's just another creative option. I'm not expecting much more than what Albrighton chipped in with. My focus is on how we improve the team as a unit, we seem to be doing that... what we lose with Mahrez, we've potentially gained back a fair chunk elsewhere through improvements. Whether that's not conceding so many, or adding goals and assits from full backs and set pieces and having a truly creative 10... rather than Shinji, who sturggles to pass the ball let alone assist sometimes. The squad we have should be comfortably top 10/12 at a minimum, if it's not then it's a failure on the managers part and that's before we get a new winger in. I think you’re being overly optimistic. Would your view hold if we sell Maguire? Edited 26 July 2018 by ARM1968 1
Max Power Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 On Fulham, Seri is a huge coup and would have had him here no doubt but they are arguably weaker than they were last season in the Championship with all their loanees going back and Fredericks leaving.
Ric Flair Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 1 minute ago, Babylon said: Move forward to what? We aren't getting top 6, so it's a battle with a huge group of teams for the spaces between 7th and about 13th. Again, you seem solely focused that only someone who fills Mahrez's spot has to add the creativity. Having attacking full backs opens up totally different opportunities in attack and creativity, set pieces are a form of attack and in Maddison we have the best taker we've probably had since Parker from what I've seen. Silva will need to share the burden and then whoever takes Mahrez's place need to chip in. Numbers close to what Albrighton got is fine so long as the load is shared. Yes I want another option, but I think posts focusing on the fact we've lost 22 contributions and that we need X player who is going to pick up the slack are missing the point in what Puel is trying to do. I think we've lost more than 22 contributions. There were more than 10 occasions last season that if it wasn't for Mahrez a goal wouldn't have been created. We are so one dimensional, it's incredible. I yearn for us to become more dynamic and having Maddison and Pereira is definitely a start. I agree with you on Silva growing in influence within this side next season but set pieces could well be our main hope. I was astounded Ndidi didn't score last season in the league and Maguire only got 2, we could see more goals come from that avenue which may be badly needed. When I say move forward, I don't accept that because we have very little chance of breaking in to the top 6 we should simply be content with not trying to improve our squad considerably. You counteract sharing the load amongst this current side could plug the gap from Mahrez going but I'd be looking at improving across the midfield to make this much easier. We are taking a leap of faith on certain players in this squad to create, I see no reason why we have to settle for what we've got and couldn't be going all out for 2 new attacking midfielders. 1 to replace Mahrez and another to be an upgrade on Albrighton and Gray. Transfer fee wise, we have no problem and our owners waffle on about being an elite club so drive that message forward. I doubt we'll become an elite club but if the ones in charge believe that, then show it with some top level signings. Mahrez is a one off, but there's many out there within our grasp that would show intent and give us a fighting chance of challenging for the top half of the table or better.
FirePower Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 There is still nearly 2 weeks left of the window I think CP is getting a look and feel of the current squad in Austria to see if more incomings are needed. If we don't have anymore coming in which I hope there is, i beleive we will be ok regardless who knows diabate or gray, could become the players we need this season. We can all hope
Rigga Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 Missed out on the Iranian guy and Felipe Anderson.. My fear is, Puel sees Maddison as Mahrez replacement. A massive ask. We have plenty of dead wood to get rid of in Benny, Mendy, Ulloa, Kaputska, Amartey, Shinji, Slimani, King and James.. So still need a CB, DM, ST x 2 and a Mahrez replacement. Ndidi or Vardy get injured...were fooked
martyn Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 No worries folks. Rudders has this well covered. We'll sell slabhead for £45m + Smalling, get £15m for Musa and £15m for Slimani. Then splash £35m each on Leon Bailey and Hakim Ziyech. Schmeichel Pereira Evans Smalling Chilwell N'Didi Silva Bailey Maddison Ziyech Vardy 1
Babylon Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 1 minute ago, ARM1968 said: I think you’re being overly optimistic. Would your view view gold if we sell Maguire? We finished 12th in 16/17 and Mahrez was absolute shite for most of that season, chipping in with 6 goals and 3 assits, a lot of which were set pieces. I believe the squad is stronger than it was then, if we can survive that season where virtually the whole team and Mahrez didn't show up, then we're capable of surviving this season comfortably... and some. If we sold Maguire, I'd be sad to see him go but we'd just go out and buy another CB. 1
Lovejoy Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 (edited) People think it's ****ing Football Manager. No one wants our dead wood, they're overpaid and in a number of cases, past their best. And in turn, we do not need another five players, do people realise what having a big squad does for morale when more players aren't getting game time than are? Puel can only work with what he has, he'd hardly be doing his team any favours if he was saying to the press they weren't good enough. What he needs is Rudkin and the other clowns who messed up with offering silly contracts and signing garbage players to rectify that whatever it takes. Mahrez needs replacing somehow, even if not like for like, but we do not need a load more squad fillers. Edited 26 July 2018 by Lovejoy 3
roblcfc84 Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 For me it’s a season of transition from the title winning squad to a younger team with a new philosophy of bringing through more of our academy players. It may not work but there was always going to be a point when when that squad would need to be dismantled. I believe this is the first season when the starting 11 will be in the main new to the team. As as long as we are not in relegation trouble I’m fairly comfortable that we take this season to thin the squad and start to build something new. That may take a bit of time in truth. 1
holyfox Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 The first thing I do every time I get a break is to check on here to see if we’re linked with anyone new. Yes I’m disappointed we haven’t got a stand out flair player in addition to Maddison lines up, but the melt down on here since whatshisface decides to join Brighton instead of us is crazy. We don’t know the clubs exact finances, but the new training ground and stadium expansion are vital investments to help us grow into a rea super power. We’ve seen so many examples of clubs gambling everything by splashing the cash with disaster when things don’t go to plan. I would rather have a period of stability and sustained slowly building a young team than rolling the dice on the slim chance we make the top 6! Calm done One and let’s see how things pan out. If it’s crap by January, we are strong enough to plug in some additions to ensure we survive. COYB! ps.. did I say PATIENCE!! Give the new set up a chance and they might be amazing in a a couple of years time 1
1972 Fox Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 16 minutes ago, Babylon said: We finished 12th in 16/17 and Mahrez was absolute shite for most of that season, chipping in with 6 goals and 3 assits, a lot of which were set pieces. I believe the squad is stronger than it was then, if we can survive that season where virtually the whole team and Mahrez didn't show up, then we're capable of surviving this season comfortably... and some. If we sold Maguire, I'd be sad to see him go but we'd just go out and buy another CB. Like we've sold Mahrez and just gone out and bought another winger/wide man? We've known for long enough that Mahrez would be leaving but still no adequate replacement. We need to keep Maguire or it looks like we will become the new Southampton.
Ric Flair Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 17 minutes ago, holyfox said: The first thing I do every time I get a break is to check on here to see if we’re linked with anyone new. Yes I’m disappointed we haven’t got a stand out flair player in addition to Maddison lines up, but the melt down on here since whatshisface decides to join Brighton instead of us is crazy. We don’t know the clubs exact finances, but the new training ground and stadium expansion are vital investments to help us grow into a rea super power. We’ve seen so many examples of clubs gambling everything by splashing the cash with disaster when things don’t go to plan. I would rather have a period of stability and sustained slowly building a young team than rolling the dice on the slim chance we make the top 6! Calm done One and let’s see how things pan out. If it’s crap by January, we are strong enough to plug in some additions to ensure we survive. COYB! ps.. did I say PATIENCE!! Give the new set up a chance and they might be amazing in a a couple of years time That nice new training ground and expansion on the stadium will be a problem if we risk our PL status. The pressure on Puel, the loss of Mahrez and problems with moving players on to free up wages could easily see us dragged in to it next season.
richardsfoxes Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 I'm not in worry mode yet still 2 ish weeks before the window closes, I just think we have to try and do some business for wingers and this isn't to replace Mahrez but we need someone with real quality who we can rely on to perform consistently, what worries me is would any team baring Cardiff and maybe 1-2 more fit them in their starting 11 doubtful, we need quality additions and we need them now.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 43 minutes ago, Babylon said: I want another wide man, as I've said about 100 times. But the ridiculous hand wringing based on newspaper articles from the middle east, or looking enviously at a teams signing, which in reality don't look anything special. Whoever we get isn't going to replace Mahrez's numbers, it's just another creative option. I'm not expecting much more than what Albrighton chipped in with. My focus is on how we improve the team as a unit, we seem to be doing that... what we lose with Mahrez, we've potentially gained back a fair chunk elsewhere through improvements. Whether that's not conceding so many, or adding goals and assits from full backs and set pieces and having a truly creative 10... rather than Shinji, who sturggles to pass the ball let alone assist sometimes. The squad we have should be comfortably top 10/12 at a minimum, if it's not then it's a failure on the managers part and that's before we get a new winger in. But enough about your personal life 1
That_Dude Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 47 minutes ago, Babylon said: Move forward to what? We aren't getting top 6, so it's a battle with a huge group of teams for the spaces between 7th and about 13th. Again, you seem solely focused that only someone who fills Mahrez's spot has to add the creativity. Having attacking full backs opens up totally different opportunities in attack and creativity, set pieces are a form of attack and in Maddison we have the best taker we've probably had since Parker from what I've seen. Silva will need to share the burden and then whoever takes Mahrez's place need to chip in. Numbers close to what Albrighton got is fine so long as the load is shared. Yes I want another option, but I think posts focusing on the fact we've lost 22 contributions and that we need X player who is going to pick up the slack are missing the point in what Puel is trying to do. I agree with you to a certain extent but all your estimations are based on the fact that the players we have will turn up this season. I hope so; I really do but it is still a leap of faith. A huge one. As much as I love Chilwell his crossing or end product isn't exactly the best out there, same for Gray, Silva and Pereira are an unknown. Should they fail to live up to the expectations, the burden of creativity will fall on Maddison's shoulders alone. We can't go this season without bringing another winger. Preferably a quality one.
manders86 Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 I'm not in panic mode but slightly concerned at the same time.. We've lost a big part of what separates us from those below us for the last 2 seasons in Mahrez.. whilst those beneath are seemingly strengthening. At the same token have we really strengthened? We don't seem to be the attractive prospect most of us fans wish we were Also Vardy is another year older and we don't seem to have any effective plan B if he isn't prolific. I feel like we're relying on players to come good that probably should have last season in Gray,Silva and Chilwell. A returning Mendy may well be a boost and we are stuck with a huge amount of deadwood no one seems to want (ulloa, slimani, James, benelouane etc) Let's be honest if 2 games into the season if we lose to Man U and Wolves the mood will darken significantly.
volpeazzurro Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 1 minute ago, manders86 said: I'm not in panic mode but slightly concerned at the same time.. We've lost a big part of what separates us from those below us for the last 2 seasons in Mahrez.. whilst those beneath are seemingly strengthening. At the same token have we really strengthened? We don't seem to be the attractive prospect most of us fans wish we were Also Vardy is another year older and we don't seem to have any effective plan B if he isn't prolific. I feel like we're relying on players to come good that probably should have last season in Gray,Silva and Chilwell. A returning Mendy may well be a boost and we are stuck with a huge amount of deadwood no one seems to want (ulloa, slimani, James, benelouane etc) Let's be honest if 2 games into the season if we lose to Man U and Wolves the mood will darken significantly. Like it or not, most teams will perhaps lose their away game at Old Trafford next season so it will the Wolves game that will be more of an interest.
Babylon Posted 26 July 2018 Posted 26 July 2018 46 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said: Like we've sold Mahrez and just gone out and bought another winger/wide man? We've known for long enough that Mahrez would be leaving but still no adequate replacement. We need to keep Maguire or it looks like we will become the new Southampton. You do realise the window is still open don't you?
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