Newcastle 0 - 2 Leicester

[Unabomber]

Can’t really say mendy has improved he has just been given a chance to play while fit to do so. Chilwell has seriously improved, fair play to Puel for keeping faith. 

[foxes_rule1978]

3 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Can’t really say mendy has improved he has just been given a chance to play while fit to do so. Chilwell has seriously improved, fair play to Puel for keeping faith. 

I agree with Mendy, we never got to see him play when fit... now we are and he seems a quality buy now, glad we gave him time and a chance 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

It's more to do with the performances. Maybe we deserved something from Man U but then again most teams have got something from Man U this season. We flattered to deceive against Liverpool barely creating any decent chances, I know you'll find some stat that says we had X amount of shots but how many saves did their keeper make? Bournemouth was  shit and anybody pretending otherwise is just a fanatic.

 

I can't remember any of the goals we've scored that have come from this slow build up open play. It's been set pieces and old fashioned Leicester style counter attacks. The tactics aren't great, we're just lucky to have some very decent players.

I'm not particularly thrilled with performances, it's clunky, we are up and down, some good spells, some awful. But so long as results are coming then I'm happy for the manager to be given time. The team is very young, so I expect it.

 

Too many on here who say it's a results business when we lose but play well, yet are happy to say it's performances when we win unconvincingly. People can't preach one thing when it suits, which is the point I was making in my post. (Not saying that's you)

 

Its either always about results or it's not, results are either expected or they aren't. The flipping to suit the mostly negative argument is boring.

 

I don't see where the goals come from as actually mattering, so long as we are scoring regularly. People act like we've given up countering, last season we had the third most counter attack goals in the league from stats I saw on BT last night. 

 

So long as thats still in the armoury and we are using it and not ignoring it I see no issue. Teaching the team to work space, find the killer forward passes will take time.

 

I have my doubts, I see little movement up front as finners said earlier, that needs sorting. The defensive openness never seems to change. But I'm seeing slow progression in other areas.

[yks]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

There are saves and then there's plucking the ball out of the air.I can only remember 1 save worthy of the name. Schmeichel also conceded 2 goals, Alison wouldn't have if he had just cleared the ball like he had plenty of time to do.

 

If you don't think being 3-0 down at half time is shit then you have a very optimistic outlook on life. 

 

We're constantly being told how Puel is changing our style of play for the better but it isn't his changes that are winning us games. The slow build up possession game isn't effective at all. 

I said saves, not "plucking the ball out of the air". There were 4 of them even if you don't remember them.

No, being 3-0 down at half time isn't necessarily shit. That's ridiculously result-oriented to say that.
First, most games have two halves. Then, you can be the better team or just "not being shit" and being down 3-0 at one point in a game.
Croatia were down 4-1 at one point during the World Cup final, were they shit ?
The fact is we lost 4-2 away from home against a "top midtable" team. As I said in the game's thread, there's nothing abnormal or shameful in that.

Then, it's incredibly absurd to say we don't win games thanks to Puel or Puel's changes.
Leicester is actually 7th in the league, the best position we could reallistically be, what can you even mean by "our style isn't effective at all" ?

It's always the same story with you guys.
Any loss is unacceptable and a shame and because of him.
Every goal conceded even when it's a stupid mistake from a player is his fault, mainly because he selected that player.

In the other hand, he has no responsibilty at all in any good performance from a player, in any goal scored, and in any win. (and the wins are not sastifying because (1) the opposite team was shit (2) the performance was meh (3) the game was boring (4) one of the goal was kind of lucky.

How can one be so biased and incoherent ?

Just admit once and for all you just hate him for no rational reasons and nothing will change your mind, we'll all save a lot of time.

Edited 30 September 2018 by yks

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, yks said:

Just admit once and for all you just hate him for no rational reasons and nothing will change your mind, we'll all save a lot of time.

Sure why not, if it makes you happy.

[yks]

Actually, you don't have to do it, it's pretty obvious from all your posts and "arguments".

[Ted Maul]

A brilliant away day and thoroughly professional performance. My first trip to St James' Park and it didn't disappoint- very impressive ground in the city centre with some cracking boozers nearby. 

 

I know Newcastle were poor, but it can only be a good thing that we've put them away with ease- same with Huddersfield last week. We're at a different level to the clubs down the bottom and it's good to know we won't be in any sort of relegation trouble whatsoever this early into the season.

[Webbo]

28 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I'm not particularly thrilled with performances, it's clunky, we are up and down, some good spells, some awful. But so long as results are coming then I'm happy for the manager to be given time. The team is very young, so I expect it.

 

Too many on here who say it's a results business when we lose but play well, yet are happy to say it's performances when we win unconvincingly. People can't preach one thing when it suits, which is the point I was making in my post. (Not saying that's you)

 

Its either always about results or it's not, results are either expected or they aren't. The flipping to suit the mostly negative argument is boring.

 

I don't see where the goals come from as actually mattering, so long as we are scoring regularly. People act like we've given up countering, last season we had the third most counter attack goals in the league from stats I saw on BT last night. 

 

So long as thats still in the armoury and we are using it and not ignoring it I see no issue. Teaching the team to work space, find the killer forward passes will take time.

 

I have my doubts, I see little movement up front as finners said earlier, that needs sorting. The defensive openness never seems to change. But I'm seeing slow progression in other areas.

I never complained about yesterday, didn't really about Huddersfield either but it has to be said that we've played 2 of the bottom 3 and our tikki takka style hasn't created a goal.  We had stages like this last season win 5 on the trot and then lose 5 on the trot and I think that's how it'll be this season. I'm just not seeing any progress.

[RumbleFox]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

There are saves and then there's plucking the ball out of the air.I can only remember 1 save worthy of the name. Schmeichel also conceded 2 goals, Alison wouldn't have if he had just cleared the ball like he had plenty of time to do.

 

If you don't think being 3-0 down at half time is shit then you have a very optimistic outlook on life. 

 

We're constantly being told how Puel is changing our style of play for the better but it isn't his changes that are winning us games. The slow build up possession game isn't effective at all. 

As an objective viewer of this to-and-fro between yourself and yks can I just say you are not doing very well so far.  All of their posts are full of facts and objectivity whereas yours seem to be full of confirmation bias and you do not seem to be actually listening to what they are saying.  Apologies for butting in, you may continue.  X

Edited 30 September 2018 by RumbleFox

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, RumbleFox said:

As an objective viewer of this to and from between yourself and yks can I just say you are not doing very well so far.  All of their posts are full of facts and objectivity whereas yours seem to be full of confirmation bias and you do not seem to be actually listening to what they are saying.  Apologies for butting in, you may continue.  X

As an objective viewer what did you think of this?

Quote

Just admit once and for all you just hate him for no rational reasons and nothing will change your mind, we'll all save a lot of time.

Is that objective? Is that full of facts? Seemed a bit of a childish rant to me. I reckon I'm doing really well but it's all about opinions.

 

Small penis X

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said:

My sincere apologies..

I don’t care Wymey ..... ????

 

and he won’t read this ......

[daverollo]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

As an objective viewer what did you think of this?

Is that objective? Is that full of facts? Seemed a bit of a childish rant to me. I reckon I'm doing really well but it's all about opinions.

 

Small penis X

Nope, it’s like two bald blokes fighting over a comb and boring as fuch.

 

i thought you announced yesterday you were taking a break from the forums, or am I thinking of someone else?

[Webbo]

6 minutes ago, daverollo said:

Nope, it’s like two bald blokes fighting over a comb and boring as fuch.

 

i thought you announced yesterday you were taking a break from the forums, or am I thinking of someone else?

Definitely thinking of someone else.

 

Can I just say as well, I'm discussing Leicester City football club, which is the purpose of this forum. I'm making observations on what I've seen. If I disagree with someone it's not because I'm not listening, it's because I think they're wrong.

[yks]

18 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Definitely thinking of someone else.

 

Can I just say as well, I'm discussing Leicester City football club, which is the purpose of this forum. I'm making observations on what I've seen. If I disagree with someone it's not because I'm not listening, it's because I think they're wrong.

Well discussing isn't really what you're doing.
You need to argument on what the others are saying to do that, not only stating opinions and saying everything else is wrong.

[RumbleFox]

40 minutes ago, Webbo said:

As an objective viewer what did you think of this?

Is that objective? Is that full of facts? Seemed a bit of a childish rant to me. I reckon I'm doing really well but it's all about opinions.

 

Small penis X

Haha, can I actually apologise, my post was slightly mean spirited and unnecessarily unkind.  I do think though that sometimes people get wound up by your method of engagement. May I speak frankly here without fear of mod vengeance......

 

I think sometimes you are a "dishonest" debater.  And by that I do not mean what you say is dishonest but that you employ methods that I think sometimes wind people up.  You seem to tend to ignore people's main points and you often seem to twist what people have said or create straw man arguments.  You also seem to never concede any ground ever.  Having said all that this is a forum for alternate views and I genuinely like to hear from people I disagree with more than those I agree with so I read your posts more than some by people I tend to be more aligned with.  I hope this is taken in the good manner it was meant, I don't want to find myself mysteriously banned for a few days for upsetting a mod, haha.

 

Even smaller penis.  X

Edited 30 September 2018 by RumbleFox

[yks]

7 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Haha, can I actually apologise, my post was slightly mean spirited and unnecessarily unkind.  I do think though that sometimes people get wound up by your method of engagement. May I speak frankly here without fear of mod vengeance......

 

i think sometimes you are a "dishonest" debater.  And by that I do not mean what you say is dishonest but that you employ methods that I think sometimes wind people up.  You seem to tend to ignore people's main points and you often seem to twist what people have said or create straw men arguments.  You also seem to never concede any ground ever.  Having said all that this is a forum for alternate views and I genuinely like to hear from people I disagree with more than those I agree with so I read your posts more than some by people I tend to be more aligned with.  I hope this is taken in the good manor it was meant, I don't want to find myself mysteriously banned for a few days for upsetting a mod, haha.

 

Even smaller penis.  X

Yeah, exactly.

I think as a mod, one should realize the atmosphere on this forum can be toxic af.
I saw several members saying they don't want to be anywhere near this forum the days following a defeat and even some who wanted to leave for good.
Everybody know why and which group and which "methods of discussion" are responsible for that and I'm often guilty of thinking facts and perspective could make them change their minds / ways of "discussing".

Edited 30 September 2018 by yks

[Webbo]

6 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Haha, can I actually apologise, my post was slightly mean spirited and unnecessarily unkind.  I do think though that sometimes people get wound up by your method of engagement. May I speak frankly here without fear of mod vengeance......

 

i think sometimes you are a "dishonest" debater.  And by that I do not mean what you say is dishonest but that you employ methods that I think sometimes wind people up.  You seem to tend to ignore people's main points and you often seem to twist what people have said or create straw men arguments.  You also seem to never concede any ground ever.  Having said all that this is a forum for alternate views and I genuinely like to hear from people I disagree with more than those I agree with so I read your posts more than some by people I tend to be more aligned with.  I hope this is taken in the good manor it was meant, I don't want to find myself mysteriously banned for a few days for upsetting a mod, haha.

 

Even smaller penis.  X

For a start, I've never banned you or deleted one of your posts and I never would just because someone disagrees with me.

 

In the interest of own self improvement, can you tell me which bits I've twisted?

[Great Boos Up]

[Webbo]

16 minutes ago, yks said:

Well discussing isn't really what you're doing.
You need to argument on what the others are saying to do that, not only stating opinions and saying everything else is wrong.

So everything you say is all fact but what I say is just some prejudiced opinion?

[yks]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

So everything you say is all fact but what I say is just some prejudiced opinion?

Not everything, but mostly, yes.

For instance : "stats don't count, but maybe number of saves count, but anyway I don't remember them" is closer to an opinion and to manipulation than anything else
Saying "we were shit" is an opinion. Saying after what I answered "being 0-3 down at half time is shit" is also an opinion (mostly valid) and a manipulation after what you said first.
Saying "our style isn't effective at all" is an opinion.

Saying "Alisson made 4 saves" is a fact.
Saying we had more shots, shots on target, possession, number of passes aerials won, tackles won than Bournemouth" is a fact.
Saying we are 7th in the league is a fact.

I cant believe you're acting like you're not aware you're severly biased against Puel.
That's your right, but it's also kind of infuriating for a lot of people.

[Webbo]

Just now, yks said:

Not everything, but mostly, yes.

For instance : "stats don't count, but maybe number of saves count, but anyway I don't remember them" is closer to an opinion and to manipulation than anything else
Saying "we were shit" is an opinion. Saying after what I answered "being 0-3 down at half time is shit" is also an opinion (mostly valid) and a manipulation after what you said first.
Saying "our style isn't effective at all" is an opinion.

Saying "Alisson made 4 saves" is a fact.
Saying we had more shots, shots on target, possession, number of passes aerials won, tackles won than Bournemouth" is a fact.
Saying we are 7th in the league is a fact.

I cant believe you're acting like you're not aware you're severly biased against Puel.
That's your right, but it's also kind of infuriating for a lot of people.

It's kind of infuriating when every time we get a win it's "all the Puel out brigade have disappeared   " and it's meant to be as well. especially when most of us are fronting up. I'm quite happy for people to disagree with me, I'm not that precious that I ve got to attack the people who do. I certainly wouldn't accuse you of having an irrational love of Puel.If 'm biased against Puel it's because I don't think he's doing a very good job

 

 Half of our points have come against teams in the bottom 3 that's also a fact. The league doesn't end in September, that's a fact too, being 7th now isn't a guarantee we'll we'll be in the top half come May.

 

Why does it bother you so much if I want to discuss football with somebody else on this thread?

[Webbo]

18 minutes ago, yks said:

Saying "Alisson made 4 saves" is a fact.
 

Funnily enough I googled this "fact" and found this;

There's 1 save from Gray about 55 seconds (although they show it about 3 times) the rest he could have threw his cap on.

[Mullet1]

He doesn’t think much to us. To be honest I feel it’s 50/50. I think we are only a couple of losses away from being “bang average” It also helps that outside of the traditional top 6, Watford are the only ones punching above their weight. 

[yks]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It's kind of infuriating when every time we get a win it's "all the Puel out brigade have disappeared   " and it's meant to be as well. especially when most of us are fronting up. I'm quite happy for people to disagree with me, I'm not that precious that I ve got to attack the people who do. I certainly wouldn't accuse you of having an irrational love of Puel.If 'm biased against Puel it's because I don't think he's doing a very good job

 

 Half of our points have come against teams in the bottom 3 that's also a fact. The league doesn't end in September, that's a fact too, being 7th now isn't a guarantee we'll we'll be in the top half come May.

 

Why does it bother you so much if I want to discuss football with somebody else on this thread?

I think it's the other way around, you don't think he's doing a very good job because you're biased against him and I just try to convince you he's doing a pretty good job imo.

Look at the rest of your post : who cares if we had most of our points against bad teams.
Do they count less than the others ?
Is Puel responsible for the calendar or for Newcastle and Huddersfield being shit ?

Do you know for a fact we won't be top half at the end of the season ? Because you're acting like it.
At the moment, we're 7th, can't you just appreciate that and stop focusing on the negative and the uncertain future ?

I don't know if that's your case, but what is so infuriating is the Puel out brigade seems to never be happy about anything, "you" always have something to say, generally absolutely not pertinent, to criticize or disminish the accomplishments. Cant you understand why it's f****** annoying for everyone else around ?

We're 7th for now, we have an accomplished coach, a team full of potential stars and reading some of you it's like we are on the verge of relegation with a team of Charlie Adams coached by Alan Pardew.

I don't care if you want to discuss football, I'm here for that, it's the way you're doing it that is extremely annoying and unnerving because it's just dishonest, manipulative and constantly negative as I and RumbleFox explained to you.




 

 

[volpeazzurro]

Usually find it impossible to get away tickets but got one for this, always wanted to go to St James. Friendly opposition fans, great stadium though killer steps for a bloke my age!

 

A good performance I thought regardless of the opposition. Maddison shone brightly and appears to improve every game. Mendy has bought some intelligent consistent play to our midfield and although Ndidi may put a few balls astray his industry and combative performance more than makes up for it. Despite a couple of balls passed directly into touch I thought Armarty had a good game so credit to him. Only Pereira was a bit of a disappointment for me seemingly neither a good defender or winger thus far.

A great day out, plenty to be optimistic about at this stage of the rebuild.